Fringe (new JJ Abrams show) : Mad scientist, flesh eating virus, a cow and talks with the dead

cool, here you go:

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Which one's Charlie and which one's Algernon?

Oh I was just going to remark on how we all hated Fauxlive at first, but then she became so much better because we found out how boring Olivia was.

Ha I just remember Oleonardia Nimoy

Remembered

Fauxlivia's bangs 4 eva

oh wow, didn't realize that my #1 celeb crush (Ari Graynor) was Olivia's sister until the Evil Spam Popup episode.

I'm having my own oh wow btw - THIS guy

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is NOT the same as this guy (from Taken, the Spielberg mini series)

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second guy is the 4400 guy right?

and first guy is Human Target?

2 x yes

Did they ever have any accidents with those giant letters? Would think you might hear about them falling on someone in a bizarre show related accident.

Just watched things through from series 3, which means I saw half of that season and the next two for the first time.
Season 5 does look a bit tacked on and might have been better as being something else. It's not as execrable as I've seen it made out, not quite but I don't think it's where i'd want to leave the series.

Gone back to watching the first 2 seasons since I haven't seen them since around 2008, or whenever I managed to get hold of them. & certainly never saw them on a full sized tv since I was using a portable for a long period.
Seeing weird echoes after seeing the later stuff first. Wondering if they had thought about the later usage of ideas as part of the development of earlier ones or if they were takes on things that came to them later.

Fringe almost refreshingly seemed like a show where they had not really thought things out

Except that the final season fell a bit into the Lost trap of probably being some idea JJ Abrams came up with when they were writing the show bible, and the show runners felt they had to stick to it or face the "OMG are they just making this up as they go along!" fan reaction.

I just watched an extra thing presumably from the dvd for season 5 where they talked about trying to make sure there was some level of feasible science behind ideas in the show.

Also saw another where they were talking about maybe doing a film in a couple of years, which I don't think I've heard anything about.

& can think about at least one great glitch in the thinking at the end of the series that would be very central to the whole story but better not go into that if other people haven't got that far yet. Probably find out it's already been talked about at the time of the tv showing though.

you should talk about it--just say "Spoiler Alert for Show that Ended Years Ago" at the beginning

OK, spoiler alert.

Whence Peter if they've just erased the situation that allowed Peter to be saved from drowning. & therefore there was never a September?
Or is it that with no September there was no September accidentally preventing Walternate from saving his son, in which case Walter presumably wouldn't have taken him over to the main Earth in the first place. September was about the first Observer to arrive, not sure exactly what happened in 1987. & I didn't notice anything saving the Earth 1 Peter
subsequently the point they looped back to at the end of the series was not one they could have got to was it?

that's an interesting question. I think itt we had given up on trying to follow the time logic as it seemed the show had its own idea of causation and whether events in the past caused by people traveling back from the future would still have happened if those future people never traveled back...

Aspirin <3

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I just found out that when Olivia's lover is a see through catatonic in the early episodes it's actually the genuine actor. Would've thought they 'd just use a dummy. Surprised by that

I've been copying Fringe episodes to my media center computer and was skimming through them to make sure I had them labeled correctly when I had to pause, because wait, is that a future princess of England shooting a guy in the chest?!

I'd completely forgotten she has a brief appearance in this series

LSD MILF, yes?

'do you still like bacon?'

<music swells>

'i love bacon'

On recommendation of hearing this show is really out there and good I started watching the pilot. OK so I kind of like it, but also, it is, for lack of a better word, SO NETWORK -- like, just lots of people looking gravely at other people and saying "I want them out of here -- NOW" and "There isn't much time" and "Will it work?" "It has to" and shots of a dude in a mental hospital facing away from the camera and dramatically turning to face the viewer and etc. etc. Like fundamentally the show is not that weird and I want to be weird. Is it all like that and I just have to accept it? Or is there a place in the run I can pick it up where it gets weird and "how was this actually on TV?" That's what I want.

Walter at his best has some good out there-ness (tamped down after the first season and a half, though) but overall it's less out there than the X-Files at their best.

The show kind of infamously takes most of the first season before it breaks from the sub X Files stuff. But when it gets good, it is thrilling and, and at its best, heartbreakingly beautiful.

the longer it goes the less networky it becomes

like even Hannibal started as monster of the week, Bones-ian team of weirdos in the lab

i think it’s just what shows had to do to get dumb studio execs to give them a deal

I really loved this, bought the bluray box set, but still never managed to finish the last season (didn't care anymore), so I don't know how it all ends. I'm going to soldier on with the whole thing, one day. maybe.

haha, I even said it here in this thread 8 years ago - 15 minutes into the first episode of the last season I stopped watching.

So do I need to go through the whole first season to get it or can I start with S2E1 or at some other point?

suck it up & do the work! imo

jk do what u want but its not like s1 is bad. there are far worse things than formulaic ffs

S1 is fun, definitely wouldn’t skip.

the s1 finale was the first big WTF moment - season is definitely worth watching just to get there

I could tell we had lingering love for Fringe when My wife and I were watching The Last of Us and when Anna Torv showed up we both yelled “Bolivia!”

buuut if you wanna cheat cannonically you do so thusly:

hazy cosmic jedi (abanana)
Posted: July 15, 2010 at 7:04:22 AM
watch these
Season 1: 1 (pilot), 4, 5, 7, end of ep 8, 10, 14, 17, 19, 20
season 2: 1, 4, maybe 7, 8, 10, maybe 14, end of 15, 16 (Peter), 17, 18, 22, 23

The pilot is considerably more dramatic than even episode 2; I think it lightens in tone quite a bit, for the better, so don't give up yet. One thing I really liked is that mythology builds on little moments scattered through S1, and not always the ones you expect, so I don't think S1 should be skipped, although it is a bit monster-of-the-week

I miss Walter and Astrid together, there were such sweeties

IIRC the third season is fantastic, and then the fourth season goes back-to-basics in a somewhat unsatisfying way. Then the fifth season, the Days of Future Past season, is pretty good again.

That Peter Weller episode though :(

We started rewatching S1 and ended up bingeing almost the whole season today

Can report that it is all still v watchable, love this show so much

Also lots of good cameos: Betty Gilpin! Ebon Moss-Bacharach! Jared Harris! etc

Finally made it to S2e10 “Jacksonville” aka LETS FUCKING GOOO

truly this show still holds up so well, i fucking love it <3

But people living andcwaljingbunder suspended place names... were there ever accidents, like.

Walking under

So we have been bingeing this like crazy and are now about 5 episodes into Season 5

watching it back to back definitely made everything make a little more sense to me this time around, I felt way less confused by the timey-wimey shenanigans of Season 4 for sure.

some stray thoughts
- the Observers kind of suck? (pre S5 Nazification, I mean). Like they're just really not good at their jobs and just absolutely fuck up entire timelines every time they try to 'fix' something.
- that being said, Michael Cerveris as September is the ONLY convincing Observer, in terms of performance. Such a soulful delivery and he has such a lovely tone to his voice. All the other actors act like dead-eyed robots.
- big Fathers/Sons thematic energy throughout this show, like when you see it all lined up the whole show is really about Walter's love for Peter
- Lincoln Lee is still lovely
- Olivia/fauxLivia/third-timeline Olivia - how I sum this up to an extent: Peter would bone her in any timeline, basically LOL

also, most importantly

While i don’t mind the story of S5 & its quite exciting in its way — it does a thing I don’t like — they AGAIN re-maternalize Olivia, like they did in S1 “oh she’s too much of a cold fish lets give her a kid etc”

Olivia becomes much more of a overwhelmed-by-feels emo sidekick in S5 in this very boys-own-dystopian-verse which is kind of a bummer

While i don’t mind the story of S5 & its quite exciting in its way — it does a thing I don’t like — they AGAIN re-maternalize Olivia, like they did in S1 “oh she’s too much of a cold fish lets give her a kid etc”

This was one of my biggest disappoints with the last season; the show basically started off as the Olivia show, and then she gets turned into Lyra in the second and third HDM books.

yeah it’s a bit disappointing

esp w the September backstory reveal it’s like, ok huh it’s just dudes & dads all the way down then ok good

Yeah Peter even gets the last shot of the show iirc. Pacey gets a proper arc with closure, Olivia gets multiple soft reboots instead.

i wanted them to do more w Olivia & the Jones/Jared Harris character! their scenes in those early seasons were so electric

also that observer kid Michael?
his facial expression looked exactly like Eminem, could not unsee it

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my big takeaway:

these dads just need to grieve for their dead children & stop trying to time travel everytime a kid dies.

also: is it just me or was there some kernel of possibility that David Robert Jones was Olivia’s real father? like a story thread that they may have hinted but never picked up. i was v fixated on the way he said “that’s my girl” after she completed the lightbulb test originally

maybe it’s just me

anyway we finished the series

Fringe aka Dads: A Love Story is a very good series & 100% holds up

the worst part of the whole series was Peter turning himself into an Observer but even that wasn’t terrible bc the rest of the story was good. oh and Joshua Jackson’s cry-acting is a bit too much, still bringing the old Dawson’s heat lol

Give John Noble all his flowers, what a blessing he is to the series. Denethor The GOAT.