he's not a good shooter in a vacuum but considering what else he provides he's pretty dece
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:49 (nine years ago) link
i could see there being a playoff game tho where they lose because dray shoots 1-8 on threes
http://bkref.com/tiny/rPZ4H
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:55 (nine years ago) link
the increase in 3 percentage and true shooting from the beginning of his career to now are considerable for a dude who doesnt need to be a stellar shooter given his other skills
― are... are you saying you fucked a gazelle? (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:02 (nine years ago) link
hes shooting 34% from 3 on what one would assume are all utterly wide open looks
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:03 (nine years ago) link
considering who else defenses have to deal with on GS thats borderline dont even bother to guard him territory
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
theres really no way his defense isnt wildly overrated at this point too, i mean he fits perfectly into GS system seeing as he can switch a lot and guard multiple positions, he has bogut and great rotations behind him so he can afford to get under bigger players, but the dray green hype is wildly out of control rn, if you put him on a poor defensive team w a non rim protecting center i dont think he wld move the needle much
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:08 (nine years ago) link
there are very few big men who routinely shoot contested three pointers, that's sort of the whole function of using a big to stretch the floor
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:09 (nine years ago) link
will be v interesting to see what the warriors do if they face memphis considering hes undersized to guard either of their front court dudes and memphis is a good enough defensive team they cld prob force non splash bros to attempt shots theyre not used to making
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
yeah but his % is not very good on those shots is the whole point xp
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
i dunno man his one-on-one post defense is pretty awesome
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
like u cant stretch the floor if no one bothers to guard u
i think golden state is a bad match up for memphis
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:12 (nine years ago) link
wld be an intersting battle of contrasting styles
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:12 (nine years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:11 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is such a small part of D in todays nba, and i suspect a good bigger post player wld find ways to take advantage of him with playoff preperation
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:14 (nine years ago) link
yeah it's not a huge thing but i dunno have you seen him guard dirk? he can't drive past him or post him up. i mean dirk is ancient so whatever but draymond's versatility seems pretty real to me.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:17 (nine years ago) link
like i think if he played one-on-one vs a lot of wings and bigs in the NBA they wouldn't be able to score
i mean dray is a cool player and all dont get me wrong, but hes just a role player who fits really well w the dubs line up and what they do and they are having a classic season mostly because of players better than him
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
Think the praise has to be at least somewhat warranted seeing as their defense didn't slip while Bogut was out.
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:17 AM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
its too bad this isnt the first round matchup, i mean obvs the mavs wld get destroyed but wld like to see dirk go at dray, one thing is the mavs havent been using dirk in the high post that much this year one wld assume to save his body for the playoffs, but if hes at all physically right and they just go to him at his elbow spot cant see how he doesnt just shoot over dray every time, granted if his mobility is bad and he cant really drive off the overplay that makes things a lil more difficult but still
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:18 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it slipped a lot!
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
Idunno heard Stein say different and I'm inclined to agree. they went 10 - 3 and gave up over 100 points in less than half those games
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
hey are having a classic season mostly because of players better than him
― lag∞n, Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:18 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
this is true offensively but not defensively
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
their defense was really good last year with a much lesser role for him
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:28 (nine years ago) link
i mean bogut is the guy defensively
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link
but also they just play really good team D
they were good but not the best
bogut is def the guy on D, but draymond is the klay to his steph
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:38 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:04 AM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
steph, klay, ___?
i mean he's not a first option but a floor-spacing big is rarely going to be the first option, kevin love style. and his shooting has improved over the course of the season, and there's no reason to think he can't work on it and be a good 3pt shooter
another interesting GSW storyline is how klay'so fallen off a cliff for the second straight spring
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link
D12 returns tonight apparently
― head clowning instructor (art), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
his shooting has improved over the course of the season
― k3vin k., Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:58 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
its been fairly consistent fwiw
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
started out way hot then semi-slumped then back up to normal. He shoots just good enough to keep defenses honest. HIs best asset on offense is pushing the ball up.
― Steph def def (Spottie), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:54 (nine years ago) link
re Draymond vs Dirk. he owned dirk so hard when they played last.http://giant.gfycat.com/FrayedPoorGaur.gifhttp://gifyu.com/images/DraymondDirk2.gifhttp://giant.gfycat.com/MiniatureVictoriousJumpingbean.gifhttp://gifyu.com/images/DraymondDirk4.gif
― Steph def def (Spottie), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
obvs its a pretty complex calculation but i might in my role as imaginary nba coach leave him open from deep
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:57 (nine years ago) link
dirk has been hobbling around all year and not playing very well generally i wldnt get to excited abt the job dray did, unless u have some reason to think he cldve accomplished that few years ago
yeah dirk old for sure but theres no reason that matchup would fair better for dirk if they met in the playoffs
― Steph def def (Spottie), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:59 (nine years ago) link
greg monroe is the only player I've seen truly own him in the post, consistently anyway
― Steph def def (Spottie), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link
there at least as much reason to think it wld than it wldnt prob more xp
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link
i am with you about draymond but we've probably already had this convo four times this year.
― Steph def def (Spottie), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link
it is one of my great weakness that overrated players enrage me and i cant let go
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link
omg u r such a h8r
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:04 (nine years ago) link
h8 is good it fuels me
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link
he's v important to the warriors successes so in this system he's not overrated
― Steph def def (Spottie), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i just wish you'd be this skeptical of kevin love
― are... are you saying you fucked a gazelle? (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
dray pre/post ASB btw .432/.330/.683 & .467/.368/.631
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
the love situation is different, it's the opposite actually, it's very clear love is good enough to be a stud. love's struggles this year can better be ascribed to the lebron effect/not being used right
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
yeah but if u look at his monthly splits its all over the place, looks p much just like the variance youd expect from a 34% 3pt shooter xp
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link
all thats stuff from love's mike and mike interview was v sad
― Steph def def (Spottie), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:10 (nine years ago) link
whatd he say
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:12 (nine years ago) link
said westbrook is the mvp...said him and lebro aren't really friends...
― Steph def def (Spottie), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
@nbcprobballtalkLarry Bird on Russell Westbrook: “I hope he wins 10 MVPs in a row” http://wp.me/p14QT0-35Io
ha bird is p cool
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link