I just meant it glibly in the sense of struggle sessions and Maoist self criticism
― max, Monday, 23 March 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
lmao first comment hall of fame
https://clairelehmann.wordpress.com/2015/03/20/our-generation-did-not-invent-political-correctness-but-we-can-fight-it/
― goole, Monday, 23 March 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link
Having read something about what actually happened to people during the Cultural Revolution, I get hazy with rage when people refer to privilege talk as "Maoist self criticism." Maoist self criticism works something like this.
"A ¡°black board¡± (or hei paiºÚÅÆ) hung on the front of the person who was labeled as an ¡°enemy¡±: On the board were written titles such as ¡°member of the black gang,¡± ¡°counterrevolutionary,¡± ¡°reactionary academic authority,¡± and so on. Below the title was the person's name with a red ¡°X¡± over it. This symbol was used because outside a court of justice there was usually placed an announcement on a bulletin board with a red ¡°X¡± over the name of the person who had been condemned to death. Many teachers were forced to wear such a self-condemnatory board whenever they appeared in public.
At the beginning most boards were made of cardboard. But later some students made heavy boards in order to add to the physical insult. At Beijing First Middle School, which was near the ruins of the old city wall, some students even took a huge brick from the city wall and hung it from a thin wire around the neck of their principal, Liu Qiming („¢†¢Ã÷), while denouncing her."
Read the whole thing if you can stomach it.
http://hum.uchicago.edu/faculty/ywang/history/1966teacher.htm
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 23 March 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link
That's the kind of stuff that happened during the Cultural Revolution but that's not exactly how self-criticism worked. People whose previous statements in support of the party line, now contradicted the party line were forced to write statements of apology and to claim that the new thinking had always been ideologically correct.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 23 March 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
^^^
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 March 2015 20:16 (nine years ago) link
glibly! i said glibly!!! dont struggle session me!!!
― max, Monday, 23 March 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link
I am the God of MRA’s [men’s rights activists], Antifeminists, AntiMarxists, Libertarians, and White, heternormative men and women everywhere,” wrote True in a different part of the16-page essay posted on his Facebook page
An update from Reed: http://www.wweek.com/portland/mobile/blogs/blogView/id:32992
― Clay, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 20:16 (nine years ago) link
also he has done a youtube interview with Chuck C Johnson
― Clay, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link
so based on the Daily Beast linked to in that article, it sounds like Reed actually handled this decently, or did I miss something? the original Buzzfeed piece looks really premature now too
― rob, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link
dont struggle session me!!!
― max, Monday, March 23, 2015 8:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wow man
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link
http://www.mediaite.com/online/so-that-reed-college-rape-stats-kid-is-going-a-little-fubar/
― goole, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 13:55 (nine years ago) link
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/24/rape-culture-troll-threatens-reed-college.html
Protest or no, when you read True’s rants and online name-calling (he referred to one female commenter as “a bitch and a cunt” and called another “fatty”), it all starts to seem a bit nuts.
“I am the God of MRA’s [men’s rights activists], Antifeminists, AntiMarxists, Libertarians, and White, heternormative men and women everywhere,” wrote True in a different part of the16-page essay posted on his Facebook page, “I am a misogynist and a misandrist, a racist, and a feminist. And now I’m here to call you out on your bullshit, Reed. I made my entire college run for cover because I’m an actual activist. I yelled “n**ger” in public places and nonviolently disrupted a forum on student activism when I felt my rights weren’t respected. Now that’s activism… Gender feminists. I am a biracial, bisexual, non-gender conforming Black n**ger. Suck. My. Enormous. Black. Dick.”
In the same essay, True writes separate missives to Savery, Barack Obama, “my n**gas in the hood,” Kevin Spacey, Emma Watson, and even Anita Sarkeesian (“I demand a formal apology from you to the entire gamergate movement.”) It’s rambling, but his point seems to be that he can use this moment to say anything he wants, and might as well while the public platform lasts.
― goole, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 13:59 (nine years ago) link
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, March 23, 2015 4:03 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
Yeah as somebody whose family went through these episodes, don't really appreciate the glibness in this thread w/r/t what happened during the Cultural Revolution
― 龜, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 13:59 (nine years ago) link
i'm off work sick, should i read his opus
xp
― goole, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:00 (nine years ago) link
i draw the line at chuck c johnson youtubes tho, no way
― goole, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:02 (nine years ago) link
feel at this point that the guy is just trolling those ppl who were initially inclined to defend him, or at least his right to put forward unpopular views in class discussion
― A MOOC, what's a MOOC? (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:17 (nine years ago) link
“I am the God of MRA’s
Crazy World of Arthur Brown's lost first draft
― A MOOC, what's a MOOC? (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:18 (nine years ago) link
Getting angry at kids who leave lectures on rape is as useless as it is politically incoherent: What is the proper response to students who wish to exit voluntary lectures and go someplace else? Should they be forced to stay? How would we ensure that they are actually listening?For students still developing their politics and personal strategies for grappling with views they find disagreeable, there isn’t much harm in stepping out of a lecture hall and into a safer space. Given that safe spaces have been a part of feminist discourse since the early days of the women’s movement, it seems unlikely that they will suddenly proliferate through broader culture, robbing us all of fair discourse.A far likelier scenario is that colleges will—and should!—remain loci of experimental politics and their expressions, and that elite institutions will remain culturally removed from the world around them by nature of their constituents and the shape of the academic labor market. A continued obsession with campus culture will surely remain a politically impotent habit among the media class—unless those with axes to grind take up the cause of university staff as tenuous employees and citizens of a weak welfare state, a possibility even more distant than campus cultures suddenly mattering to the world at large.
For students still developing their politics and personal strategies for grappling with views they find disagreeable, there isn’t much harm in stepping out of a lecture hall and into a safer space. Given that safe spaces have been a part of feminist discourse since the early days of the women’s movement, it seems unlikely that they will suddenly proliferate through broader culture, robbing us all of fair discourse.
A far likelier scenario is that colleges will—and should!—remain loci of experimental politics and their expressions, and that elite institutions will remain culturally removed from the world around them by nature of their constituents and the shape of the academic labor market. A continued obsession with campus culture will surely remain a politically impotent habit among the media class—unless those with axes to grind take up the cause of university staff as tenuous employees and citizens of a weak welfare state, a possibility even more distant than campus cultures suddenly mattering to the world at large.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121375/shulevitzs-new-york-times-essay-sparks-outrage
― flopson, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
really there's no point in getting angry at anyone. anger is a toxic emotion. we should just love each other.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
Tone policing
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:24 (nine years ago) link
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/South-Windsor-Teacher-Facing-Termination-Over-Sexual-Poem-297593041.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_CTBrand
http://allpoetry.com/Please-Master
okay
feelin like some old time 4n+h0ny 345+0N ilx up in here
― j., Thursday, 26 March 2015 15:00 (nine years ago) link
feel like the teacher who shows that poem their high school students is begging for disciplinary action
― Mordy, Thursday, 26 March 2015 15:03 (nine years ago) link
heh
― swae lee is the sremmurd for rae dad (crüt), Thursday, 26 March 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
what a bunch of babies
though I guess that's the point
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 26 March 2015 15:14 (nine years ago) link
my hs library had a copy of Ginsberg's collected works and senior year a guy who'd been to a lit camp thing over the summer showed it to a few of us, and I was wowed by it, thought "Howl" was so gorgeous, and I wanted to show it to a few other people and the guy looked me in the eye and said, don't do that, they're not ready for it, and I didn't, and I thank that guy all the time both for introducing me to Ginsberg and a whole other world of literature but also for helping me understand how provocation works better than I would have otherwise.
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 26 March 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
lol adios, teach
― goole, Thursday, 26 March 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
gonna hafta rubber room ya son
― j., Thursday, 26 March 2015 15:25 (nine years ago) link
Goodbye, Mr. Drips
― goole, Thursday, 26 March 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link
http://theithacan.org/news/ic-sga-passes-bill-to-create-system-to-report-microaggressions/
― drash, Thursday, 26 March 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
i'm so glad ILX is the only permanent record of my social clumsiness
― swae lee is the sremmurd for rae dad (crüt), Thursday, 26 March 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
However, junior Kyle James, vice president of communications and co-sponsor of the bill, said those reporting a microaggression would likely have to reveal their identity if they wanted to pursue any legal action.
New Yorker cartoon in the making:
"What are you in for?"
"I asked someone 'Where are you really from?'"
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 26 March 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
in the jewish community "where are you really from?" == "where is your family originally from before they immigrated here?" (ie germany, pale of settlement, morocco, iran, bukhara, etc) i guess it means something different in sj land
― Mordy, Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
is your contempt for "sjws" now so determinative that casual racism is a complete enigma to you
― goole, Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:10 (nine years ago) link
no i'm sure everyone who says "where are you really from?" means it maliciously to mock the person for looking different than them and has nothing to do w/ an inquiry about where their family is from
― Mordy, Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
nobody asks me where i'm "really" from, i'm white
― goole, Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:13 (nine years ago) link
they probably don't give a shit about where you're from bc you look like every other white dude
― Mordy, Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:13 (nine years ago) link
oh another american with german ancestry wow
― Mordy, Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
'a plainsman, by the look of you'
― j., Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S07Bp2wBylw
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
People don't ask me where I'm from because the name of my city is tattooed on my face
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
"your race is interesting to me right this second, and it does not belong here, discuss it with me politely"
― goole, Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjjNOwdvVS4
― goole, Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link
i understand that some ppl are offended about being asked about their family heritage but i am going to remain skeptical that it's intended as a "microaggression."
― Mordy, Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link
"how dare you be interested in me and my background. fuck you."
the whole concept of "microaggression", take is as you will, or really white supremacy in toto, is that intent is immaterial
― goole, Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
"microaggressions" tenuous relationship to reality is a bug imo, not a feature
― Mordy, Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
well, we all learn who our friends are one way or another
― goole, Thursday, 26 March 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link
is there a clear line between microaggression and garden-variety passive aggression? or is MA distinguished as being limited only to the ways race/class/gender are baked into minor social interactions?
― ryan, Thursday, 26 March 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link
You know some troll is going to be reporting slights to his Anglo Saxon Cis background ten times a day
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 26 March 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link
I object to "microaggression" on the grounds that it's a silly word. I give it two more years before no one with a clue still says it, and five more before nobody says it and it becomes terminology of the past.
UNLESS: if people start attaching "micro" willy-nilly to other nominalizations, then all bets are off. I don't see it coming but who knows, maybe we are dumb enough as a people to start saying "microinvitation" "microsalutation" "microencouragement" "microvalidation". Yikes. Gives me the Micro Heebee Jeebees.
Wait till the intelligent nanotech comes for us. Once we experience nanoaggressions, we will regard microaggressions with loving nostalgia.
― Vic Perry, Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link