"manipulating" only makes sense here if you think conferences are like some sort of natural state of being, which clearly you do
― lag∞n, Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:56 AM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark
no i don't mind messing with the conferences or rethinking them altogether. ziller's old idea for regrouping the NBA strictly by region actually made a lot of sense and would prob be a net plus for the nba.
i just think shuffling the teams at the beginning of the playoffs every single year is an overrated idea
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:58 (nine years ago) link
its not shuffling it wld just be the system
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:59 (nine years ago) link
i mean what if were shuffling... now
lagoon otm
― k3vin k., Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link
its not just like an outdated legacy system based on travel logistics or anything
But of course they can't even hold to that-- Minnesota should absolutely be in Eastern conference and play Milwaukee 4 times a year.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
J0rdan S. wrote this on thread the lakers have just pooped their big-boy pants: 2012-2013 NBA regular season thread (part 2) on board I Love Hoops on Dec 23, 2012it's completely absurd that draymond green didn't get picked in the first round
it's completely absurd that draymond green didn't get picked in the first round
It was entirely reasonable, he was a tweener who couldn't shoot.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
Not that it means much but this year Draymond has a lower PER than Carlos Boozer does! Haha
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
xp a fair amount of people get drafted in the first round who can't shoot. rudy gobert still can't shoot.
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, March 19, 2015 3:45 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
wrong
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:56 (nine years ago) link
he was and is a skilled big man
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link
Right but he was a tweener who couldn't shoot.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
Ahhhh good old PER
Oh wait you're not entirely right, he's not a "big man." He's a 6'6 swing forward.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:24 (nine years ago) link
Another guy with a higher PER: David Lee
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:26 (nine years ago) link
What are some good stats for 2015
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
what's the story with David Lee, I seem to have missed why he's out of the picture
― Clay, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:38 (nine years ago) link
defense
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
yeah figured
― Clay, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:43 (nine years ago) link
― polyphonic, Thursday, March 19, 2015 4:35 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the best available single-stat right now is RPM. it has its own kinks but it's hard to argue with the majority of the list of top players it generates. and generally it avoids putting questionable stat-stuffers (whiteside, javale) near the top
― k3vin k., Thursday, 19 March 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link
It's weird to me that you like RPM so much kev, cuz you thought DRPM superstar Larry Sanders wasn't all that
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link
Khris Middleton is waaaay up there. Huh
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 March 2015 21:33 (nine years ago) link
Middleton is gonna get like 10m a year this offseason
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 21:35 (nine years ago) link
He was drafted four spots after Draymond
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 March 2015 21:45 (nine years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:30 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i never doubted sanders was a great defensive player. i questioned how sustainable his success was given his body type and lack of offensive game, and hence the big contract he got. (it wasn't even until later that all the character stuff surfaced iirc)
middleton is an interesting case. one of RPM's issues seems to be multicollinearity. in other words, the selling point of RPM is that it is supposed to account for the quality of both teammates** and opponents. sometimes a player plays almost exclusively with other players, and so even statistically it is difficult to separate out whether the effect is due to that player's skill or the fact that he just plays with really good (or bad) teammates. that's what multicollinearity is. it's a stat issue found anywhere these sorts of regressions are run; you see it in the medical literature too. it's hard to avoid. anyway haralabob's theory about middleton and his RPM is that he played a lot of minutes with brandon knight, and since middleton is taller (height is an input because historically it correlates with sustainable success), RPM credited middleton when it should have credited knight. who knows though, we'll see what his numbers post-ASB look like
**this is an area where RPM represents a vast improvement over some of the old lineup stats, like defensive rating. go look at the ORTG of guys like tyson chandler or tiago splitter -- theyre amazing, and for a long while a lot of stat-challenged sportswriters who nonetheless wanted to look like they were keeping with the trends would cite this and describe them as underrated offensive players or something. when anyone with a brain knew it was just because they played as part of great team offenses (or in, say, david west or george hill's cases and DRTG, great team defenses
― k3vin k., Thursday, 19 March 2015 22:21 (nine years ago) link
IIRC your take was "Sanders wasn't that great, he just blocked some shots."
I have no idea what you mean by "his body type."
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link
he's like corey brewer plus a couple of inches, no?
― k3vin k., Thursday, 19 March 2015 22:31 (nine years ago) link
.... No that's not what he's like.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 22:32 (nine years ago) link
He's like 6'9 235.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 22:33 (nine years ago) link
Guys like that don't really get injured that much anyways. Injury risk greater for bulky guys or leapers.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 22:34 (nine years ago) link
He did have weird shit happen like breaking his hands I guess
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 22:35 (nine years ago) link
how is whiteside is a meaningless stat stuffer?
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 March 2015 00:53 (nine years ago) link
of questionable stat stuffer
http://m.newsok.com/more-foot-soreness-casts-doubt-on-durants-return-to-lineup-this-season/article/5402875
― Clay, Friday, 20 March 2015 01:11 (nine years ago) link
sit it out man not worth it
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 March 2015 01:17 (nine years ago) link
yeah they really need to just shut him down
― Clay, Friday, 20 March 2015 01:28 (nine years ago) link
and cincinnati has a lay up rim out bounce off the background and back in to send their game to OT
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 March 2015 01:31 (nine years ago) link
tournament is p cool
oops
harden 50 pts
― brimstead, Friday, 20 March 2015 02:32 (nine years ago) link
he can really score that dang basketball i tell you what hes crafty
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 March 2015 02:33 (nine years ago) link
― Clay, Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I kinda breezed thru simmons trade valu part whatever since u know the trade deadline was a month ago BUT he was otm on one thing- the eerie parallels between the durant situation and KG in 2009 when the celtics kept being like no really he's coming back in two weeks no wait a few days no wait sometime during the playoffs oh wait nevermind
Of course based on the OKC medical history he will be back for four garbage games at the end of the season tweak a wrist or something they'll say he's out for the first two rounds and he'll be back in the first round and then get injured again and they'll get bounced
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Friday, 20 March 2015 02:40 (nine years ago) link
simmons dropped him to sixth because of foot worry, lil excessive imho
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 March 2015 02:41 (nine years ago) link
Oh he's still probably in the top three or so if you actually made the rankings based on what kind of trade haul would get him, like who would OKC actually consider trading him for in a vacuum, maybe Lebron or the brow
He should really just call the top 20 this season's most compelling NBA players for watching or something
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Friday, 20 March 2015 02:44 (nine years ago) link
harden 50 pts --brimstead
22 at the fucking free throw line lol, noottttt impresseeeeeddd
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 20 March 2015 02:44 (nine years ago) link
bron prob shldve been sixth
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 March 2015 02:45 (nine years ago) link
durant's this close to the 'should the thunder trade him so at least they get something?' conversation getting truly obnoxious, plus w/ the exception of maybe supposedly washington any team he got dealt to would be in the same spot of 'is he gonna walk' only without whatever loyalty, etc okc has maybe built up. throw in the injury and i could see it depressing his trade value vs how good a player he actually is.
― balls, Friday, 20 March 2015 03:32 (nine years ago) link
Now I am drinking because of rodney hood http://i.imgur.com/M8LvkRF.jpg
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 20 March 2015 03:48 (nine years ago) link
If rodney hood has a 30 point second half I will buy all of ILH a round
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 20 March 2015 03:51 (nine years ago) link
what do those dollar amounts mean
― k3vin k., Friday, 20 March 2015 03:52 (nine years ago) link
You have a 50,000 dollar budget to spend on your lineup each day and players are assigned dollar value based on their fantasy points per game, adjusted for recency. 5 fps per 1,000 is meeting value.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 20 March 2015 03:56 (nine years ago) link