Breaking -- The human race has waived Josh Smith: 2014-15 regular season thread part 2

of course maybe that year we get kings-lakers in the finals. but maybe they never play.

what if u went back in time and killed hitlers mother

"manipulating" only makes sense here if you think conferences are like some sort of natural state of being, which clearly you do

― lag∞n, Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:56 AM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark

no i don't mind messing with the conferences or rethinking them altogether. ziller's old idea for regrouping the NBA strictly by region actually made a lot of sense and would prob be a net plus for the nba.

i just think shuffling the teams at the beginning of the playoffs every single year is an overrated idea

its not shuffling it wld just be the system

i mean what if were shuffling... now

lagoon otm

its not just like an outdated legacy system based on travel logistics or anything

But of course they can't even hold to that-- Minnesota should absolutely be in Eastern conference and play Milwaukee 4 times a year.

J0rdan S. wrote this on thread the lakers have just pooped their big-boy pants: 2012-2013 NBA regular season thread (part 2) on board I Love Hoops on Dec 23, 2012

it's completely absurd that draymond green didn't get picked in the first round

It was entirely reasonable, he was a tweener who couldn't shoot.

Not that it means much but this year Draymond has a lower PER than Carlos Boozer does! Haha

xp a fair amount of people get drafted in the first round who can't shoot. rudy gobert still can't shoot.

It was entirely reasonable, he was a tweener who couldn't shoot.

― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, March 19, 2015 3:45 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

wrong

he was and is a skilled big man

he was and is a skilled big man

Right but he was a tweener who couldn't shoot.

Not that it means much but this year Draymond has a lower PER than Carlos Boozer does! Haha

Ahhhh good old PER

Oh wait you're not entirely right, he's not a "big man." He's a 6'6 swing forward.

Another guy with a higher PER: David Lee

What are some good stats for 2015

what's the story with David Lee, I seem to have missed why he's out of the picture

defense

yeah figured

What are some good stats for 2015

― polyphonic, Thursday, March 19, 2015 4:35 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the best available single-stat right now is RPM. it has its own kinks but it's hard to argue with the majority of the list of top players it generates. and generally it avoids putting questionable stat-stuffers (whiteside, javale) near the top

It's weird to me that you like RPM so much kev, cuz you thought DRPM superstar Larry Sanders wasn't all that

Khris Middleton is waaaay up there. Huh

Middleton is gonna get like 10m a year this offseason

He was drafted four spots after Draymond

It's weird to me that you like RPM so much kev, cuz you thought DRPM superstar Larry Sanders wasn't all that

― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:30 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i never doubted sanders was a great defensive player. i questioned how sustainable his success was given his body type and lack of offensive game, and hence the big contract he got. (it wasn't even until later that all the character stuff surfaced iirc)

middleton is an interesting case. one of RPM's issues seems to be multicollinearity. in other words, the selling point of RPM is that it is supposed to account for the quality of both teammates** and opponents. sometimes a player plays almost exclusively with other players, and so even statistically it is difficult to separate out whether the effect is due to that player's skill or the fact that he just plays with really good (or bad) teammates. that's what multicollinearity is. it's a stat issue found anywhere these sorts of regressions are run; you see it in the medical literature too. it's hard to avoid. anyway haralabob's theory about middleton and his RPM is that he played a lot of minutes with brandon knight, and since middleton is taller (height is an input because historically it correlates with sustainable success), RPM credited middleton when it should have credited knight. who knows though, we'll see what his numbers post-ASB look like

**this is an area where RPM represents a vast improvement over some of the old lineup stats, like defensive rating. go look at the ORTG of guys like tyson chandler or tiago splitter -- theyre amazing, and for a long while a lot of stat-challenged sportswriters who nonetheless wanted to look like they were keeping with the trends would cite this and describe them as underrated offensive players or something. when anyone with a brain knew it was just because they played as part of great team offenses (or in, say, david west or george hill's cases and DRTG, great team defenses

i never doubted sanders was a great defensive player. i questioned how sustainable his success was given his body type and lack of offensive game, and hence the big contract he got. (it wasn't even until later that all the character stuff surfaced iirc)

IIRC your take was "Sanders wasn't that great, he just blocked some shots."

I have no idea what you mean by "his body type."

he's like corey brewer plus a couple of inches, no?

.... No that's not what he's like.

He's like 6'9 235.

Guys like that don't really get injured that much anyways. Injury risk greater for bulky guys or leapers.

He did have weird shit happen like breaking his hands I guess

how is whiteside is a meaningless stat stuffer?

of questionable stat stuffer

http://m.newsok.com/more-foot-soreness-casts-doubt-on-durants-return-to-lineup-this-season/article/5402875

sit it out man not worth it

yeah they really need to just shut him down

and cincinnati has a lay up rim out bounce off the background and back in to send their game to OT

tournament is p cool

oops

harden 50 pts

he can really score that dang basketball i tell you what hes crafty

http://m.newsok.com/more-foot-soreness-casts-doubt-on-durants-return-to-lineup-this-season/article/5402875

― Clay, Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I kinda breezed thru simmons trade valu part whatever since u know the trade deadline was a month ago BUT he was otm on one thing- the eerie parallels between the durant situation and KG in 2009 when the celtics kept being like no really he's coming back in two weeks no wait a few days no wait sometime during the playoffs oh wait nevermind

Of course based on the OKC medical history he will be back for four garbage games at the end of the season tweak a wrist or something they'll say he's out for the first two rounds and he'll be back in the first round and then get injured again and they'll get bounced

simmons dropped him to sixth because of foot worry, lil excessive imho

Oh he's still probably in the top three or so if you actually made the rankings based on what kind of trade haul would get him, like who would OKC actually consider trading him for in a vacuum, maybe Lebron or the brow

He should really just call the top 20 this season's most compelling NBA players for watching or something

harden 50 pts
--brimstead

22 at the fucking free throw line lol, noottttt impresseeeeeddd

bron prob shldve been sixth

durant's this close to the 'should the thunder trade him so at least they get something?' conversation getting truly obnoxious, plus w/ the exception of maybe supposedly washington any team he got dealt to would be in the same spot of 'is he gonna walk' only without whatever loyalty, etc okc has maybe built up. throw in the injury and i could see it depressing his trade value vs how good a player he actually is.

Now I am drinking because of rodney hood http://i.imgur.com/M8LvkRF.jpg

If rodney hood has a 30 point second half I will buy all of ILH a round