instead well get the entire easter conference, cool
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
The baron davis BS report is worth a watch fyi.
― Steph def def (Spottie), Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:22 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This was great
― pandemic, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:17 (nine years ago) link
cavs-heat is a more compelling first round match up than any of those i named, and i think at this point i'd rather see the celtics in the playoffs than this wheezing suns team
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:18 (nine years ago) link
there's literally no way to make every playoff matchup good unless you reduce the number of teams in the playoffs
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
a. ur tripping. b. focusing on whatever the current matchups are is kinda missing the point c. if u r gonna focus on the current matchups at least consider that one of either durant/westbrook of anthony davis is missing the playoff
xp
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:21 (nine years ago) link
if you continue to draw that bracket out you get
warriors vs cavs/spursrockets/thunder vs blazers
hawks vs mavsgrizzlies vs clippers
warriors vs ... somebody hawks vs grizzlies
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:22 (nine years ago) link
ziller is making a fairness argument which... whatever, i don't get why sports need to be as fair as possible
from an entertainment standpoint i don't think it makes the playoffs any better at least this year
at least this year... on this date... bizarrely overrating shitty eastern conf first round series lol
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:24 (nine years ago) link
its not just fairness, putting the better teams in the playoffs will actually lead to better basketball this is not hard to understand
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:26 (nine years ago) link
such scintillating first round match ups as warriors-bucks, blazers-wizards, hawks-suns, mavericks-raptors and grizzlies-pelicans
three out of five of those would be fine imo! not the first one, as the bucks have in many ways failed my hopes of their underdog success, and def not hawks vs. the current flailing suns
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:26 (nine years ago) link
current system is why it2 and marcus will most likely be in the 1st round of playoffs so i cant really be mad this time around, otoh it allows one out of two defibrillating teams (heat and pacers) to make it as well - unless the bucks continue struggling and fall out completely, which is totally possible rn, allowing celtics heat AND pacers to make it
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:26 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
no the question is whether it's worth shifting every match up just to switch out teams 15 and 16 and i don't necessarily think it is!
i think there's a good chance that in more years than not it actually ends up with worse basketball
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
ur literally off ur rocker
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
the solution to this problem is figuring out how to get the eastern conference up to par, rearranging the chairs so people sit in different places doesn't actually accomplish anything
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link
worse teams = better basketball, ok
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link
i like anthony davis as much anyone but squeezing his team into the playoffs so they can get destroyed in four games by the best team isn't worth throwing the entire playoffs into upheaval
if the three best teams are in one conference it is a super good idea to have the fourth best team make the finals this is a good system that anyone wld totally invent if they wanted the best possible system
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link
its not just like an outdated legacy system based on travel logistics or anything
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:35 (nine years ago) link
isn't worth throwing the entire playoffs into upheaval
― J0rdan S., Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:33 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is basically the definition of status quo bias
all were talking about is putting the best teams into the playoffs there is no upheaval really it wld be utterly painless, if the conference system never existed there wld be no way in hell you or anyone wld be trying to invent it right now because its nonsensical
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
the conference system inadvertently builds connections between teams over time which often makes the playoffs more interesting
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:41 (nine years ago) link
if the goal is to make the sides of the bracket as even as possible then why even leave it up to randomness? form a committee that evenly distributes teams on either side and manipulates the matchups so that we get the "best" basketball
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:45 (nine years ago) link
eliminating conference seeding doesn't actually solve anything, in random years it will give us better playoffs and in other years it will give us worse playoffs
xxp it can (and does help to) create rivalries is about it, but many of those rivalries would prob develop regardless (clippers vs. warriors, the slight mavs-spurs rivalry, etc.)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link
it does solve something it replaces the worst teams with better teams making the playoffs... better
also solves the problem of shitty teams from a weak conference sneaking into the finals just to be demolished
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
rivalries are cool but not really worth it imo to have horrible depressing sub 500 teams in the playoffs, also the greatest rivalry of ALL TIME is between teams from diff conferences
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:49 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:48 AM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark
these are two separate problems. nobody should really care that much about the playoff's final two teams. in almost every year they lose in the first round regardless. this is the single worst argument for changing the playoff system imo.
a shitty team from a weak conference sneaking into the finals is a real problem but the ones we think about -- the nets "dynasty", the sixers that one year -- are outliers historically. i think the question is whether it's worth manipulating the entire playoffs -- months and months of games -- so that we get one good series at the end
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:53 (nine years ago) link
well it depends on what yr definition of shitty is, just based on randomness tho the best two teams are going to be in the same conference 50% of the time
also "nobody should really care that much about the playoff's final two teams" yeah no one does this is the problem people dont care so much that they dont even bother watching lol
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:55 (nine years ago) link
whether it's worth manipulating the entire playoffs -- months and months of games -- so that we get one good series at the end
― J0rdan S., Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:53 AM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"manipulating" only makes sense here if you think conferences are like some sort of natural state of being, which clearly you do
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:56 (nine years ago) link
like, in 2002 the finals was a total anticlimax. the lakers destroyed a boring and bad nets team. the system could have been manipulated to give us a better finals, but it might have meant that we never get that kings-lakers matchup, which itself was a culmination of having played each other in playoffs in both of the two seasons previous.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link
also "so that we get one good series at the end" U MEAN THE NAB FINALS
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link
of course maybe that year we get kings-lakers in the finals. but maybe they never play.
what if u went back in time and killed hitlers mother
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:58 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:56 AM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark
no i don't mind messing with the conferences or rethinking them altogether. ziller's old idea for regrouping the NBA strictly by region actually made a lot of sense and would prob be a net plus for the nba.
i just think shuffling the teams at the beginning of the playoffs every single year is an overrated idea
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:58 (nine years ago) link
its not shuffling it wld just be the system
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:59 (nine years ago) link
i mean what if were shuffling... now
lagoon otm
― k3vin k., Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link
But of course they can't even hold to that-- Minnesota should absolutely be in Eastern conference and play Milwaukee 4 times a year.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
J0rdan S. wrote this on thread the lakers have just pooped their big-boy pants: 2012-2013 NBA regular season thread (part 2) on board I Love Hoops on Dec 23, 2012it's completely absurd that draymond green didn't get picked in the first round
it's completely absurd that draymond green didn't get picked in the first round
It was entirely reasonable, he was a tweener who couldn't shoot.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
Not that it means much but this year Draymond has a lower PER than Carlos Boozer does! Haha
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
xp a fair amount of people get drafted in the first round who can't shoot. rudy gobert still can't shoot.
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, March 19, 2015 3:45 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
wrong
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:56 (nine years ago) link
he was and is a skilled big man
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link
Right but he was a tweener who couldn't shoot.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
Ahhhh good old PER
Oh wait you're not entirely right, he's not a "big man." He's a 6'6 swing forward.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:24 (nine years ago) link
Another guy with a higher PER: David Lee
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:26 (nine years ago) link
What are some good stats for 2015
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
what's the story with David Lee, I seem to have missed why he's out of the picture
― Clay, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:38 (nine years ago) link
defense
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link