U is seriously amazing btw
― StillAdvance, Thursday, 19 March 2015 11:04 (nine years ago) link
http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/digital-and-mobile/6502416/kendrick-lamars-to-pimp-a-butterfly-sets-first-day
According to Billboard, someone named Michael Buble was the previous Spotify record holder. Now I try to stay somewhat on top of things, but I've never heard of Buble. Did Drake beat Buble too?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Michael_Buble_by_Dallas_Bittle_crop.jpg
― a cocoanut rink (how's life), Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:59 (nine years ago) link
buble's christmas album is probably the most popular in the past decade and it says that that was the previous record-holder (it probably set the record last holiday season or something)
― dyl, Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
we tried to watch boobly's christmas special on hulu and it was so boring. had to turn it off. and i just kept thinking of the family guy dude when he was singing...
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link
the bubbly once came into our shop to complain that he was 4 places lower in our album chart in comparison to the official chart, and what were we gonna do about it. I shrugged. He left.
― pandemic, Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
According to Spotify (and calculations by Hopes&Fears), Lamar probably made between $921,600 and $1,290,240 in twenty-four hours.
wow. very impressive. I always had the idea there was no money for artists on Spotify and else... apparently I was wrong.1 million $ : pretty good way to start the week for kendrick !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
i assume you're being sarcastic but buble is phenomenally popular and i guess now that I think about it totally avoidable with minimal effortalso, i would like to hear Kendrick's management's estimate of what he made on spotify as opposed to the company's?
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link
also damn you for putting "beautiful day" in my head now
if you have to break an all time record just to make $1million that's prob shitty
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link
for everyone else
my sister would like you guys to know that she's been listening to Bubbles since 2004
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link
but is it an all time record ? I mean, kendrick is big but surely there are bigger sellers/stars on spotify (drake ?)and then there are the sells on iTunes which surely made him some big money too.+ 1 million in 24h is A LOT of money !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link
funny, an hour ago a friend sent me this : http://www.skyrange.net/highest-paid-musicians-2014-earnings-per-second
and I was wondering who the hell michael buble was !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link
i will never understand online $ numbers. i read this recently and it really did seem like peanuts:
Spotify's per-stream payouts for songs played by its users are low. At the accepted industry average of just under 0.4p per stream, 1m Spotify downloads pays out around £3,800 – small beer for a band like Pink Floyd, whose career album sales are counted in the hundreds of millions.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jun/17/pink-floyd-back-catalogue-spotify
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
though that's songs, not a whole album. still, seems like nothing.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:57 (nine years ago) link
that billboard article has a faaaaar smaller estimate for that 24 hour haul
How much is that worth? A Spotify representative confirmed that the 9.6 million represents any stream from the record, meaning Lamar's new long-player brought in about $44,160 in a single day globally, according to Billboard estimates.
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link
lol
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:17 (nine years ago) link
the confusion that number and hopesandfears' is that hopesandfears is assuming the entire album got played 9.6m times, and billboard seems to have gotten a correction on that front
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
and even then the question is how much of that goes right to lamar
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link
hum. that's a big difference 1 million$/44K$ !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:22 (nine years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Thursday, March 19, 2015 11:30 AM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah. spotify pays musicians shit cause it's m/l a monopoly, needs more competition imo. (its also a start-up that doesn't make profits but ignoring that fact) if artists started pulling their material en masse to put it on a competitor's service that pays higher dividends they would be forced to raise rates
― flopson, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
Both hopesandfears and billboard don't explain the math behind their estimates, but hopes and fears links to a "spotify explained" article by spotify that has this
Recently, these variables have led to an average “per stream” payout to rights holders of between $0.006 and $0.0084
so i'm guessing hopes and fears logic was
so 9.6m full album streams (let's be generous), x 16 songs = 153.6m song streams
153.6m song streams times $.0084 (let's be generous) = $1.29m
now billboard actually spoke with spotify, and wound up with a far smaller number and a clarification that the 9.6m streams included any stream from the record. So if you take away that "x 16 songs" from the earlier math, the total is $80,064. $57,600 if you used the lower estimated royalty rate.
and accent on estimated as the way spotify actually assigns royalties is far more complicated, relating to what nation heard it and whether it was heard by one of the 15m paying subscribers or the 45m non-paying. And from that amount, spotify keeps 30% and 70% goes to the "rights owners," of which lamar probably ain't the biggest one.
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link
so basically, if you have 10mil plays you get 50K$ ? yeah, that's pretty bad...
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link
and the "you" getting the 50k is the record label
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
money has to filter through the byzantine spotify accounting before it even gets to the usual byzantine record industry accounting
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
such a scam
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
there was a new yorker thing about it a while ago. the formula they use to calculate artist revenues per play is private and not linear
― flopson, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
not as good a week for Kendrick after all ! I imagine if he reads that article saying he earned 1million$ in a day... and then he finds out he only made whatever's left of the 50K after the label got paid...depressing. and inspiring for his next album !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
it's a scam but it won't last. the new yorker article made a good point that apple could just make its own streaming service linked to itunes, have it come preinstalled on the next gen of iphones or the new osx, and basically put spotify out of business
i'm vaguely optimistic about the potential for streaming services to actually put $ back in music. it has desirable properties in terms of scale too, u don't need to pay the fixed costs of producing & shipping millions of cd's just upload a file to a site.
― flopson, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
Spotify won't go out of business if Apple does that, because not everybody owns (or wants to own) Apple products.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:46 (nine years ago) link
the formula they use to calculate artist revenues per play is private and not linear
between this and the deals for equity made with the major labels, i'd be really surprised if spotify ever gets to an IPO without being accused of collusion
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:47 (nine years ago) link
by either an indie or an artist
i'm still looking forward to buying the cd! i will have to travel to the big city of northampton to get one. when is the actual cd available? is it out already? meanwhile, i got THIS today and it is so amazing and it will hold me until i get Butterfly. from Oakland, not Compton. kendrick should hear it if he hasn't already.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10930878_10153787425967137_1264597256903467794_n.jpg?oh=957b3dba7c1f806850b45193d5a41883&oe=55B692F1&__gda__=1434412942_873c87430e43e0a237bbe160b1899096
https://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11059484_10153787426937137_2718347907091307394_n.jpg?oh=3bd7de195368a70a83fe10b9dbd0225d&oe=55822338
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11053125_10153787427397137_8350641181811643295_n.jpg?oh=89da93edccd399a7fd5c1233dbb705c5&oe=5582A3B1&__gda__=1438332878_09e4c9a0a8e0dfe11babe6ffe00e7388
https://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1517439_10153787449387137_113748972734326611_n.jpg?oh=1180fa92c0d5ad91adc311592dde4774&oe=5577A929
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 March 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
i feel like i could pick this apart line by line but it would just make me feel like a jerk if i did. it is good info to know that the songs are readily available though...
http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/704-on-kendrick-lamar-and-black-humanity/
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 March 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
you guys are into strawmen, right?
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 March 2015 17:33 (nine years ago) link
brace yourself for a zillion thoughtpieces― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Monday, March 16, 2015
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 March 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
yeah...
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 March 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link
lollll i was just thinking "fuck me, the slate piece about this will prob be some challopsy hot garbage and the salon piece will be worse," and i look it up and this is the subheader for it:
How should white listeners approach the “overwhelming blackness” of Kendrick Lamar’s brilliant new album
*headdesks repeatedly*
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 19 March 2015 18:52 (nine years ago) link
look out guys, this album is BLACK
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 March 2015 18:57 (nine years ago) link
the review itself is not as atrocious as that subhead would suggest and it's def a product of clickculture, but still
expecting there to be a salon one about how something is problematic
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link
the Slate piece has stirring passages but the last paragraph reads like shit-I-gotta-return-to-a-thesis-I-introduced deadline anxiety.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link
it's waaaaaay black. blacker than black. the blackest. have the people writing these things listened to a rap album recently? they're pretty black!
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link
lots of thought in the pieces i've read about what white reaction will be to this album. which i guess i don't see a lot of with other albums? i don't think the phrase "too black" exists in a white music nerd's vocabulary.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link
i was just told the person who wrote the pitchfork thing is a social worker in oakland and not an actual music writer.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:08 (nine years ago) link
maybe that was at the bottom of his thing and i didn't see it.
Scott, it wasn't at the bottom of his piece! I looked, too. They really need to include those blurbs for non-staffers.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
the actual review on pitchfork by jenkins was pretty solid and not at all thinkpiecey
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:11 (nine years ago) link
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, March 19, 2015 12:46 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it would be a sudden huge drop in their market share though, which could make them go out of business. i don't fully understand how they're financed but tech startups seem to depend on having effective monopolies for becoming eventually profitable
― flopson, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:12 (nine years ago) link
The Pitch is pfork's way of getting in on the sj clickbait game. they have good stuff from time to time but lots of garbage. i'm going thinkpiece cold turkey on this album
― flopson, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:13 (nine years ago) link
it's funny how the more political stuff on The Pitch completely does not jibe with the editorial style & politics of the main site though
― flopson, Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link