Sufjan Stevens’ Carrie & Lowell

It's kind of perfect, plumbs a new depth of sadness, I listened to it a couple times and realized it was ruining my life and had to turn it off. Real end-of-world, end-of-life music. I've never really been a fan of his lyrics until now but this is too good, too fucked up

― got a long list of ilxors (fgti), Monday, March 9, 2015 7:16 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm, it's basically a new Elliott Smith album. someone in one of the ES threads on here said there's "no way out" of his music, i think the same is true of Carrie & Lowell... whether you've lost your parents, or simply waiting... a universal terror. Sufjan is a much more consistent lyricist than Smith though imo, who was brilliant and nuanced ("Pitseleh") just as often as he crossed the line into unformed teenage tantrums (any time he whines "you're such a fucking joke" or "such a fucking pro"). I think we're going to see a lot of artists new and old coming out with records like this in the next couple years, people want sad acoustic guitar music about the end of the world and the inevitable deaths of our loved ones. man. this record is really, really scary too, because it's only a matter of time before everyone has to go through this. earth sucks

otm

I'm writing from my mom's hospital room. She's dying from stomach cancer. It's awful. Her gargling will haunt me. It's terrible. Just terrible.

I think she would like this album too.

I don't view this album as entirely sad. I think there's an underlying optimism that peaks through.

I'm sorry, Allen.

this record is fucking devastating

I've been so taken with it that I've gone back to revisit all his prev records. They are still largely not-for-me but certain tracks I guess I'd missed in the morass, stuff like "Predatory Wasp" I'm like wow how did I miss how good this song was?

Predatory Wasp is one of his very best I think, always liked this performance where it builds into a stormy outro even if that's a bit too long
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8nBYZiSc9s

oh yeah "predatory wasp"! i forgot about that one

could probably not get through all of illinois at this point

i could take or leave illinois but michigan is still one of my fav records

I think this could be his best to be honest...It'll be interesting to see if the public reacts to this in the same way they did to "Illinois"

How did the public reacted to Illinois? In Mexico he's very niche so I've no idea, but Illinois was an ambitious pop album, sort of Flaming Lips gone folk. I like this one better but it's hard to see a great deal of people getting excited about this sort of low key album.

illinois was way celebrated

This is amazing. So harrowing, so perfect for my mood tonight. #AlwaysInOurHeartsZaynMalik

(Sorry)

(I made the same joke on facebook...)

Have to admit I haven't listened to it yet because I'm nervous about how it's gonna make me feel. I actually teared up reading one of the advance reviews.

Haha it's funny, it's so devastating as to be almost useless. "When will it be useful to me to feel this way?"

Is this album this year's Benji, in the sense that it is a spare, raw, revealing & super personal folk record by an established indie artist? I haven't heard it yet beyond one song.

Is this album this year's Benji, in the sense that it is a spare, raw, revealing & super personal folk record by an established indie artist? I haven't heard it yet beyond one song.

No. Benji is fantastic, but the songwriting on Carrie & Lowell is better. Moreover, neither are traditional folk albums and unlike Benji, Carrie & Lowell isn’t a singer-songwriter album (it’s electro-acoustic and dynamic). I don’t know if Benji is uniquely revealing. Mark Kozelek is rarely subtle.

I’d also stress it’s wholly sad. Benji was simultaneously funny and sad.

Benji was uniquely revealing cause it felt like unedited cathartic diary entries. But yeah I'm surprised you say this isn't a singer-songwriter album. Going to listen soon.

Every time I see this album title, I think of Law & Order

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this record is much much more affecting than benji, to me. but they're not really that comparable, i'd put this up against april or ghosts of the great highway if you really want to compare to kozelek

Oh wow.
Heard Sufjan's new one for the first time today. Guess which album immediately came to my mind?

Cannot wait to hear this again and hopefully adore it as much as 'Benji'

Flaming Lips mentioned upthread too. I reckon I have found some new potential funeral soundtracks, to replace 'Do you Realise'

welp can't be doing this at work. sounds good, though.

this album is a monster

washed over me on first listen, but i was distracted. i suspect this is one of those albums where an attentiveness to the finer nuances pays off.

I dunno guys, the meticulous prettiness and the measured-twice quality of the lyrics kind of mutes the impact for me. It feels too worked-over to really devastate the way I gather it's meant to (and seems to for most)

that said it's a lovely record, my fave of his probably since Seven Swans

really not a fan of his singing, phrasing, and multi-tracked vocals on this so far

a lot of his stuff sounds like church music to me, but this multi-tracked style sounds like a congregation. it all works for me on most of this one.

Man, this album is devastating. I'm kinda shocked this isn't getting more discussion here. I'm not the biggest Sufjan fan - I typically like about 3 or 4 songs per album. But this album is different somehow. It's probably just that it has less of a twee feel to it, overall. I like him enough to give at least one listen to anything he releases, but this is by faaaaaarr my favorite album of his; my favorite album of the year, so far.

I feel the same way. I have too much to say which I can't really say right about this record which is why I haven't posted yet. I have a mother of a certain age who has perhaps not too long to live and I think about that day after day. This record has had a cathartic effect on me and really helped me to think about that in advance. I'd thank Sufjam Stevens for that if I could.

Excuse the typo.

Some part of me was lost in your sleeve
Where you hid your cigarettes.

Is my favourite line from the record.

Eugene is the key to the record, for me at a least.

and he called me subaru

I saw him live a few weeks ago and he played all of this; it was so heavy and moving. He played out blue bucket of gold for 10+ minutes

oh, be near me, tired old mare.

We're all gonna die

Ain't that some shit

this is definitely one of my favorite albums of the 2010s.

it's devastating but also quietly inspirational, just because it is so good/carefully assembled, which is itself inspiring to me. i never would have thought he was capable of something so cohesive and restrained

To me it's more of a lesson in dealing with something awful without avoiding the awfulness of it while also acknowledging the weird beauty of the details contained therein. It quite concretely says this bad thing and this bad thing happened and let's not move away from that but use it in order to heal. Does that make sense? I'm slightly drunk but it makes sense to me.

It's part of the obviousness of, for example, saying "we're all going to die" while appreciating that obvious thought stated so plainly.

"I should've wrote a letter"

(This is the only album of his ive heard from start to finish, fwiw, I haven't even heard individual songs from most of them)

imo, Michigan, Seven Swans and Illinois are all almost as good or better than C&L

i've probably said this upthread somewhere but dude's a genius

afaic the track Romulus beats anything on C&L. Easily.

Once when our mother called,
She had a voice of last year's cough.
We passed around the phone,
Sharing a word about Oregon.
When my turn came, I was ashamed.
When my turn came, I was ashamed.

(i like C&L just fine, but by no means Sufjan's best)

I should clarify my xpost: I think Carrie & Lowell is *incredible*. I just think those other three are, too, esp. Michigan.

this is very good, needed to wait til fall to listen to it

Fall, death, and a good latte to set the mood.

Nothing sets the mood for road suicide like deciduous fall colors and a visit to the dentist.

oh damn, he's had an incredibly rough year.

sorry for your loss fgti

that's dreadful, so much loss

the rough trade version has bonus disc with 5 previously unreleased songs that all appear to be from the c&l sessions, from when he was trying to make an oregon album

Absolutely beautiful album and yes, it seems to reference various moments from his discography, but sound- and arrangement-wise it reminds me of the All Delighted People EP and the second set of Christmas songs the most. And ufo's comparison to the C&L live versions is spot on, too.

"Will Anybody Ever Love Me", "Shit Talk" and "Goodbye Evergreen" keep turning me into a sobbing mess during my commute, especially now that he has shared the heartbreaking circumstances surrounding the record.

i've been going back to the ascension a bit now and it's frustrating because it feels very close to being very good but just doesn't quite get there. the main problem is just it's too long! he manages to get a fair bit of variety out of a limited set of synths & drum machines but illinois & age of adz could get away with being 80 minutes long by having maximalist sound palettes bursting with ideas which the ascension just doesn't have enough to sustain interest for that long. the songs don't consistently hit the same highs he usually does (though "make me an offer i cannot refuse" and "tell me you love me" are top tier), but the only real dud is "video game" having a really underwritten chorus (it would have been so good with a proper chorus there but no!).

he kept talking about rhythm nation as a key influence in interviews and i finally do hear that in the drum programming, but the issue is that the drums here don't hit anywhere near as hard, so it doesn't give the same feeling at all. i wish he had gone for hard hitting new jack swing drums, that would have been really cool. i feel a bit better about the lyrics now than i did 3 years ago but attempting to wring depth out of cliche still isn't really playing to his strengths.

if it had been cut down to the following i think it would have been a very good album even though it still wouldn't be his best:

make me an offer i cannot refuse
run away with me
tell me you love me
die happy
ativan
landslide
gilgamesh
sugar
the ascension
america

javelin though is just astounding, i would say that pretty much all of it is up with his very best. nearly every track has a brilliant shift comparable to a more subtle version of the moment when the keyboards appear in "should have known better". i'm happy to say all sorts of hyperbolic things like calling him the best musician of the last 20+ years now

i'm not sold on the whole album at all, not so much my thing

but

'goodbye evergreen' is sensational

that's about what i expected

lol i am nothing if not predictable

might be in my top 5 songs of the year, it's up there

i also liked the second track, you were right, i am Adz-pilled but beyond that find it hard to connect. damaged and spoilt by hypergarbage

devastated anew by this record today. i can't imagine listening to it while actually grieving though, yeesh. i'm enough of a puddle as it is.

I haven't listened to anything from him since "Adz," and I can't really remember that one, but my wife was playing him today and it was all more recent stuff I was unfamiliar with and it was all so pretty/sad. I really need to catch up. Also didn't realize/notice he hadn't toured in, like, 6 years? More?

his last solo tour was for carrie & lowell in 2015/16, but he did play a few shows for planetarium in 2017. it's been a while, yeah. his next album (the ascension) came out mid-pandemic so it wasn't at all surprising he didn't tour that, and now he's recovering from a very serious illness that means there's no possibility of touring the new album.

hopefully he will tour again when he's recovered though, the show i saw last tour was one of the best i've ever seen