it is super shady, obviously, but to some extent i kind of appreciate the 'honesty' of its brazenly appropriational cynicism and how that more accurately reflects how dancehall is being used and consumed as an otherized texture (parts throwback 90s moodboarding, wild west outlaw, fire & brimstone social politics, foreign import luxury) in these tracks, rather than falsely suggesting a collaborative parity or even any real desire to be seen to align with a modern trendy jamaican cool the way it might have been ten and/or twenty years ago.it is a fantasy (a nice one but a fantasy nonetheless) that any of kanye or kendrick's listeners were going to run out and cop a sasco album were he only given his accreditation
assassin's anecdote there about ye's engineers being wowed reads like they were going to put out any old bs he might have come out with but wow lyrics too gosh didnt expect that
drake and popcaan vaguely have more of an intuitive kinship along pallid singjay lines but they still ought to have come into the discussion too
― r|t|c, Friday, 13 March 2015 10:37 (nine years ago) link
anyone hear that new mavado/khaled fail sampling la roux btw? lolz
― r|t|c, Friday, 13 March 2015 10:40 (nine years ago) link
Popcaan loverman dancehall appropriation feels less more natural and less tokenistic than apocalyptic preacher man dancehall appropriation - one feels like a natural fit between contemporary styles while the other is fundamentally there for drama and gravitas. NB I am a complete sucker for the latter trick and haven't stopped playing Babylon System in like two months.
― Matt DC, Friday, 13 March 2015 10:49 (nine years ago) link
yeah absolutely and i'm surprised the usual appropriation conversation hasn't happened there at all, because he's literally used like a disembodied, othered sample to lend gravitas to a western project. a real live sample!
image is too amazing to ruin by actually listening to this
xp
― lex pretend, Friday, 13 March 2015 10:52 (nine years ago) link
lol, has anything good come out of the mavado/khaled link?
fwiw, I am glad Assassin is getting press off this, but his own take on it is very relaxed, fully aware of his human plug-in status. presumably a decade+ in the none more shady jamaican music industry puts this all in perspective. like he probably at least got paid.
― rob, Friday, 13 March 2015 12:16 (nine years ago) link
King Kunta
http://www.howflyhiphop.com/2015/03/13/kendrick-lamar-king-kunta-download-mp3/
― Number None, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link
on a JB 'The Payback' vibe for sure
― lil urbane (Jordan), Friday, 13 March 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link
Sounds pretty fucking great to me.
― Simon H., Friday, 13 March 2015 21:50 (nine years ago) link
this is v good. Feels very Battlecat/Quik late 90s west coast
― Steph def def (Spottie), Friday, 13 March 2015 21:53 (nine years ago) link
def getting quik vibes ... one of the suga free tracks starts like that iirc
― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:36 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMxGdLdMNRc
― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:37 (nine years ago) link
that's dope.
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:55 (nine years ago) link
wow that is *very* 90s west coast-sounding
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 March 2015 22:59 (nine years ago) link
cant be mad at that, i love that sound, but doesnt quite live up to the description of the production given upthread...
― StillAdvance, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:08 (nine years ago) link
you gonna trust Pharrell's testimony after recent events?
― Number None, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:10 (nine years ago) link
Probably best of the new trax
― 龜, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:14 (nine years ago) link
Yeah deej thats the one, also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1VO9TahbE4
― Steph def def (Spottie), Friday, 13 March 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link
"Every producer I’ve ever met was sending me stuff, but there was a one-in-a-million chance you could send a beat that actually fit what we were doing."
this guy's memory obv doesnt go back past 2000.
after hearing blacker the berry and kunta, is this whole album going to have kendrick doing his angry voice? i guess this album is him playing at being angry, rather than actually having turned into gunplay or MOP, but not sure thats going to make it that enjoyable to listen to. the whole 'album to be studied in colleges' thing doesnt fill me with enthusiasm either, but this might be the most politicised/aggressive mainstream rap album for a long time.
― StillAdvance, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:32 (nine years ago) link
"playing at being angry"?
anyway the three songs released so far all sound p tonally and sonically distinct from one another to me
― Simon H., Friday, 13 March 2015 23:38 (nine years ago) link
i mean, it sounds kinda affected. thats prob just the issue i have with kendrick, i dont always *feel* him as much as i admire him, but even so, yeah, its like hes decided he has to or should sound angry, so hes in that 'mode' for this song. for some reason i keep thinking of prince pauls prince among thieves lol
― StillAdvance, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:43 (nine years ago) link
part of the reason I balk at that is that a) "i" doesn't fit into that at all and b) the anger in "Blacker" and "Kunta" sound very distinct from each other to me.
― Simon H., Saturday, 14 March 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link
im still looking fwd to this, dont let corny ppl on twitter keep you from appreciating dope music
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 14 March 2015 00:38 (nine years ago) link
same
― some dude, Saturday, 14 March 2015 01:05 (nine years ago) link
this one is fantastic
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 March 2015 01:25 (nine years ago) link
Don't feel like anyone talked about catch a fade here? did i miss that? anyway, that was one of the better guest bits imo that was bathed in bayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6TaZiRDqNM
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 March 2015 01:31 (nine years ago) link
it took a couple listens to get what he was trying to do with "The Blacker..." but as a pure aural experience I love this one immediately.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 March 2015 01:58 (nine years ago) link
kendrick can do no wrong in my eyes rn idc
― brosario nawson (m bison), Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:39 (nine years ago) link
I'd much rather hear Suga Free on the king kunta beat though, kendrick is really boring to me.
― grant holt (prettylikealaindelon), Saturday, 14 March 2015 11:47 (nine years ago) link
De La Soul is Dead is bloated imo.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, March 11, 2015 7:29 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hey i pay my taxes i shouldn't have to read this kind of shit
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 15 March 2015 03:48 (nine years ago) link
Ha
― Steph def def (Spottie), Sunday, 15 March 2015 03:51 (nine years ago) link
De La Soul Is Dead And Bloated was a little more graphic than its predecessor, i didn't care for that
― some dude, Sunday, 15 March 2015 04:37 (nine years ago) link
matt otm
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 March 2015 04:47 (nine years ago) link
I want it to sound like you’re driving past something.
― j., Wednesday, March 11, 2015 12:09 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Sunday, 15 March 2015 06:47 (nine years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Zjwo4h.jpg
― some dude, Sunday, 15 March 2015 11:15 (nine years ago) link
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, March 14, 2015 11:48 PM
you paid your taxes but not your DUES
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 March 2015 12:06 (nine years ago) link
man this is the shit
― flopson, Sunday, 15 March 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link
I had like 5 vhs tapes filled with yo MTV raps episodes #paidthecosttobetheboss
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 15 March 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/JC76P0o.png
― Number None, Sunday, 15 March 2015 21:50 (nine years ago) link
Given the features, "These Walls" miiight be the Colbert track.
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Sunday, 15 March 2015 22:00 (nine years ago) link
part of me was hoping "i" was just a throwaway track lol
― dyl, Sunday, 15 March 2015 22:25 (nine years ago) link
It's track 15 on a 16 track album. It may as well be.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 March 2015 22:27 (nine years ago) link
Bilal!
― Steph def def (Spottie), Sunday, 15 March 2015 22:54 (nine years ago) link
the album version of "i" is nearly 2 minutes longer than the one previously released, and considering that the outro is everyone's favorite part of the song, i could really see them making an effort to kinda redeem public opinion of the song with an extended version.
― some dude, Sunday, 15 March 2015 23:05 (nine years ago) link
I bet the "I" in the album tracklisting is different from the "i" single that we all know of.
I might be overthinking this, but:
1. The single was lowercase. The "I" above is the capital letter, which would go along with the "U" title.2. Usually, with iTunes, when there's a single/previously released song that corresponds with an album, the single/previously released song can be bought as a stand-alone song in the album tracklisting but with "I", no.
― Tay-Tay Brooklynpants (Murgatroid), Sunday, 15 March 2015 23:08 (nine years ago) link
And yeah, different track lengths.
― Tay-Tay Brooklynpants (Murgatroid), Sunday, 15 March 2015 23:09 (nine years ago) link
It's the same song, Kendrick has said as much. Likely (as sd suggested) with an extended outro.
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Monday, 16 March 2015 00:33 (nine years ago) link
also, it's grown on me a lot, and it's complemented/contrasted nicely by the other tracks we've heard so far.
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Monday, 16 March 2015 00:37 (nine years ago) link
I'm excited for the George Clinton feature, love it when growls all over a hip-hop track
― thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Monday, 16 March 2015 01:14 (nine years ago) link
for yo sorrows>>>>
― thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Monday, 16 March 2015 01:15 (nine years ago) link
it's cool that between "King Kunta" and the Clinton feature he seems to be embracing funk with this record -- if he'd done it on the last album it might've seemed kind of obvious like oh west coast rapper signs with Dre and brings back G-funk, but it seems to be happening now as a more as a personal choice he came around to organically.
― some dude, Monday, 16 March 2015 01:17 (nine years ago) link