Inherent Vice vs. Big Lebowski vs. The Long Goodbye

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TLG followed by IV, which I've seen twice and more than holds up whereas TBL still makes no sense and isn't particularly funny.

Superficial comparison. One masterwork, one v good film, one protracted joke for stoners. xp

PT Anderson should adapt The Rockford Files next.

PTA would be offended if we all didn't vote for TLG

In his WTF episode PTA said he had to put The Long Goodbye and Big Lebowski completely out his head when he was making IV.

sounds doable

Inherent Vice is Pynchon @ the movies and it wasn't shit -- in fact it was a really good film, and I am v thankful for that.

One masterwork, one v good film, one protracted joke for stoners.

no clue tbh

In some people's opinion anything altman directed is a masterwork, so I'd guess that Long Goodbye is the first referenced. Getting down to the remaining two, I'd say that the aura of prestige attached to Pynchon's name would cross over to the film made from his novel, so at a hazard I'd say Inherent Vice was the second film referenced. Big Lebowski is clearly a comedy and derives much of its comedy from the character of The Dude, who is a stoner, so presumably it was the third film.

Not saying I agree with the assessment, since I haven't seen IV and it's been two ages or more since I saw Long Goodbye. I did enjoy Lebowski, despite not being a stoner. Go figure.

IV

Love all three of these.

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the long goodbye > the big lebowski > inherent vice

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I think the last of the three is pretty far behind too, although I enjoyed it.

I've seen Lebowski a bunch of times and it has its moments, but I never understood the immense praise it receives.

It's hilarious, has great visuals, a ton of fantastic actors on top of their game, and the definitive latter day Jeff Bridges performance. What's not to like?

I think I might actually prefer California Split to The Long Goodbye these days, although I've probably just seen the latter too many times.

Yet to see Inherent Vice

In some people's opinion anything altman directed is a masterwork

Which people, where? Even Altman didn't think everything he directed is a masterwork

Long Goodbye is actually my favorite Altman by far -- I'm not a huge fan generally.

I'm an enormous Altman fan, but some of his movies are total dogshit.

What else fits in with this "stoner noir" genre?
IV and Lebowski seem to have a lot more similarities to each other than LG has to either of the later films.

*skateboards into thread*
Sorry brahs, but if you hate Lebowski, you basically hate fun. HANG LOOSE!
*skateboards off into sunset*

What else fits in with this "stoner noir" genre?

Cutter's Way is the other essential pre-Lebowski text

good call! had totally forgotten Cutter's Way.

Chinatown has to fit in here somehow too, it's a product of post-hippy bleakness even though it's a period piece.

post-Manson LA noir.

Night Moves (1975) with Gene Hackman?

Cisco Pike also

Same point, aimless: Altman's career was so erratic right till the end, I think even his most ardent defenders have opinions all over the place about his work. (I'd personally rate his films from 3s and 4s up to 10s.) With Kubrick that might be true?

I've never seen it, but The Big Fix from '78 might fit into your stoner-Chandler genre.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077233/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_69

that one is OK -- definitely no masterpiece, but enjoyable if you're into 70s LA detective action.

It's hilarious, has great visuals, a ton of fantastic actors on top of their game, and the definitive latter day Jeff Bridges performance. What's not to like?
otm. the cultural phenomenon surrounding lebowski is irritating if you pay attention, but the movie itself is wonderful.

definitely more stoner than noir - but Cheech & Chong - especially Nice Dreams and Things Are Tough All Over are shaggy-dog LA ensemble pieces that fit some where in this lineage. Cheech & Chong & Chinatown.

Stacy Keach's Sgt Stedenko in "Up In Smoke" is Bigfoot Bjornsen a few years down the line.

Cisco Pike is great

Looks amazing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbiqXvLK8LY

Yeah, the flow of Inherent Vice reminded me of Cisco Pike more than any other film

"You Do the Best You Can" could also be a tagline for Cisco Pike

not so long ago, people had no fucking clue how to put together a trailer

But they sure knew how to make a Bufferin ad!

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watching inherent vice for the second time and it's sooooooo good

i really liked inherent vice, but kinda wish i hadn't read the book years earlier.

can't imagine the state of confusion i'd be in lol

watched it without reading the book and its just an incredible trip

Coincidentally, the events of the book/film took place (well, began) 50 years yesterday.

I dont really rate PTAs other stuff v highly but Inherent Vice is one I could watch again and again. I thought the book would be basically unfilmable, but seeing the film for the first time I couldnt believe how faithful it was & how well it worked.

one of my favorite final scenes in any movie ever. the light scrolling across doc and shasta's faces, the dreamy nowhere of their conversation... what a beautiful final note. also was fun at this moment in time to watch a movie that's at least partially about how fucked up america is in every way

i also played a game where i smoked every time doc smoked and i got p bottomlessly stoned

the ideal state to enjoy this film, tbh

i don't smoke at all and i loved it

(never got on with big lebowski tho; long goodbye has been in my top five since the 1980s probably)

it's a TV show and somewhat different but Lodge 49 feels akin to great

akin to these*

it is certainly akin to great, too

https://i.imgur.com/LxSY8Qy.gif

i just made that gif! thought you might like that one

lol yes thank u so much for isolating my favorite scene in any movie ever

“. . . yet there is no avoiding time, the sea of time, the sea of memory and forgetfulness, the years of promise, gone and unrecoverable, of the land almost allowed to claim its better destiny, only to the claim jumped by evildoers known all too well, and taken instead and held hostage to the future we must live in now forever.”

Two of these are anongst my all time favourites

Lebowski is a fun watch