Defend The Indefensible : The Shift

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lotta shift news the last few days! Zack Wheeler doesn't like it, so the Mets did less of it behind him last year.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/02/zack-wheeler-isnt-a-fan-of-defensive-shifts/

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 18:49 (nine years ago) link

dudes complaining abt the shift is seriously complaining about someone washing your car for free and doing a nice job of it

Bringing the mosh (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 00:25 (nine years ago) link

do you really trust the mets to shift rationally tho

mookieproof, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 00:37 (nine years ago) link

Astros' leadership margin in shifts last year was insane

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:12 (nine years ago) link

Nats are non-shifters

“We were the team that did the least [in 2014],” manager Matt Williams said. “That’s a product of our pitching staff and a product of us understanding what our pitchers want and moving from there. There are times where we’ll employ the shift, and we’ll do that type of thing against a certain hitter. But for the most part, our pitchers will dictate that for us because they understand how they’re going to go about trying to get them out.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/55486/the-nationals-also-dont-like-the-shift

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 March 2015 11:29 (nine years ago) link

When I played in a league of 13-to-15-year-olds, there was this left-handed, dead-pull power hitter with a hot temper -- Kelly Leak in the body of Andrew WK, personality/build-wise. (Whenever asked about his debated age, he'd say "Old enough to be a father.") One game, while facing him, we shifted our entire defense to the right side of the field. NO ONE was left of second. Either his second or third at-bat, while attempting to hit out of the shift, he popped up, flung his bat and helmet, yelled "FUCK!" at the top of his lungs, was kicked out of the game, and sped off on his scooter.

Andy K, Thursday, 5 March 2015 13:26 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

Maybe my fave moment at the SABR convention 3 weeks ago was a panel hosted by Brian Kenny, and one topic was how to raise the number of "balls in play" per game. (Whether that even 'needs' to be done wasn't questioned. I like HRs and strikeouts myself.)

Mark DeRosa went into a long sob story about how his buddy Brian McCann, a pull hitter, had a lousy stint with the Yankees because his traditional hits were now being hit directly into shifts. “To me, the hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a baseball. And now you’re asking us to manipulate it to all parts of the field. There’s a good percentage of the guys that cannot do that, period...." Almost immediately, DeRosa started getting heckled from the second row of the audience.

"Too bad!" "Be a better hitter!"

Presumably, you can hear that here:

https://sabr.org/latest/sabr-47-listen-highlights-mlb-now-panel-brian-kenny

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 July 2017 15:37 (six years ago) link

hahaha

brimstead, Thursday, 20 July 2017 23:44 (six years ago) link

eight months pass...

Another look at that Astros' infield defense vs. Joey Gallo ... pic.twitter.com/elS08AIkvM

— Travis Sawchik (@Travis_Sawchik) April 3, 2018

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 19:06 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

daniel murphy, kyle seager and matt carpenter on hitting against the shift

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24049347/mlb-hitters-explain-why-just-beat-shift

mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link

I witnessed the Dodgers pull a shift against Corey Dickerson last week and he owned them by dumping a soft single to left.

The Dodgers won 17-1.

omar little, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 16:56 (five years ago) link

four months pass...

Could The End be near for The Shift?

I'm told support is building for that idea. So what would happen if there were no more shifts?

More singles..Fewer LH hitters hitting .182..But would it be worth it?

I broke down numbers & surveyed coaches & execs!https://t.co/jmNfZOBz1C

— Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) December 5, 2018

he estimates that banning the shift would give each team an average of 17 more hits -- almost all singles -- over a season, eg, not much. it would help the slow, powerful pull hitters by giving them a few more singles vs. groundouts, but seems unlikely to change anyone's hitting approach, because singles simply aren't valuable enough to stop swinging for the fences.

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2018/12/04231514/Value-of-singles-by-year.png
https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2018/12/04231511/Runs-in-innings-with-no-singles.png

“The reason the value of a single has gone down is that strikeouts are up,” said one big-league pitching coach. “So in this era, bunching hits is really hard to do. In our coaches’ room, we’ll sometimes ask, ‘How do you beat an ace? How do you beat a Max Scherzer?’ And it’s not by singles….You’re not going to bunch three singles in an inning against Max Scherzer. You’ve got to get a guy on and hit a ball in the seats. And that’s part of why singles are devalued. It’s just so hard to hit multiple singles in the same inning.”

stark thinks it might happen anyway, though, as only front-office quants really love the shift. everyone else wants more baserunners (and the pitchers seem to hate singles hit through an empty shortstop position more than they love outs taken away up the middle), even though it would prolong games

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:35 (five years ago) link

The logic of that pitching coach seems... deeply flawed.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:48 (five years ago) link

Can't wait to see MLB's decree about what an infielder's "normal" positioning should be, and how far they're allowed to stray from it.

WmC, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link

banning the shift reduces the penalty for pulling a grounder. pulled grounders go hand-in-hand with trying to hit for more power. banning the shift might *intensify* the launch-angle frenzy

— Jeff Sullivan (@based_ball) December 5, 2018

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:05 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

Long piece on the Jays' frequent use of a four-man outfield this year.

https://www.mlb.com/news/blue-jays-4-man-outfield-defense

clemenza, Monday, 9 May 2022 22:32 (one year ago) link


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