I hate Civilization

on the tougher levels, if you're the top civ, or even top 3 on bigger games, the cpu will fuck you over with as much spite and ruthlessness as it ever did, so i don't know that i agree with g-kit entirely. but you definitely will get a more consistent, reasonable relationship with them if you're lower down the food chain, more so than with previous versions of the game.

I played tons of Civ 1 and 2, and loved getting lost for a weekend in them, probably still would. 3 had all this stuff that was in principle cool, like territory lines and requiring natural resources like oil to be within yours to build certain units. In principle that was cool, but in practice it just meant getting stalled out trying to acquire oil even though you're waaaaaaaay bigger/more advanced than the others. Maybe that's "realistic" but as a game it was boring. So I lost my Civ thing, and haven't bothered with 4 as it seems to have been more of the same. I'm excited about the upcoming console version, Civilization Revolution: I hope it will be dumber and less twiddly about production, unrest, etc: and just let me get tech advances and build big cities and crush the Aztecs.

requiring natural resources like oil

ruined the game :( but 4 is free of this sort of thing

I think instead of trying to slog my way thru the whole tutorial I'm going to see if I can convince my brother to come over for a few hours one of these weekends and teach me how to play. I know he has put a fair amount of time into the game. I definitely want to learn how to play one of these big type games and see how it goes.

ha

Where the hell can I buy Civilization II? I've been wanting to play that game, literally, for years to see what all the fuss is about.

-- Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, January 8, 2008 5:28 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

Amazon?

-- The Yellow Kid, Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:31 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

Ha!

I liked natural resources because often times I would go to war to stop the enemy from even producing unit X by taking his city that had access to it.

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS is amazing. Everything from Civ I-III in one sub-$30 package. BUY THIS

and by I-III i mean I-IV. :O :O :O

I want a strategy/war game like this

A NEW ONE I MEAN

anyone?

rome total war!

The broad strategy part of R:TW isn't that great, I don't think, but the battles are a hell of a lot better so it's swings and roundabouts.

i actually dig the strategy game in RTW, ESPECIALLY the dynastic approach w/ randomly generated awesome/shitty leaders. REALLY REALLY COOL.

It sucks when you end up with a crew of in-bred mentalists who can't be trusted to govern a town tho, and it isn't even your fault.

^Story of my life

lol u just described ilx2
metazing on everybody so clever I hurt myself

I'll lob them up, you smash them back over the net eh?

I prefer Pirates

noodle vague you have to go make them get in wars and deal with scary cities and hang out with less sketchy leaders and shit, that way they get toughned up for reals! if they just sit around your capital and stagnate that is when they turn into fat lazy pedophiles with a penchant or asking their horses to shit on them at every given opportunity (or whatever brand of crazy they end up having).

Is xbox pirates fun

YES

xbox pirates is great, imo

Wow, $25! Question, is it better to buy that or to buy Civ IV for $15? I can't imagine acquiring a connoisseurship in all the different ones, so I guess what it comes down to is, is Civ IV the best Civ or do I want II or III?

lol paying for PC games

Civ IV is the purtiest.

But II or III have the most balanced gameplay.

I tried both Rome total war and Pirates and couldn't get through more than a half hour of either one. What kind of freaks have attention spans like this? I don't even have a long enough attention span for Sim City, though, so...

uhm, what version of Pirates? because the one I played was very simple

mongols just sacked my capitol

Not really feeling the DS version.

Jon was right, resources in 3 was great and added lots of strategic malice and hilarity.

Noodle is that after playing Civ Rev on another platform, or is this your first take on this? I have it on 360 and have ended up playing it a ton, and picked it up for DS too but haven't yet tried it out.

i liked the ds version a lot but it feels incomplete. kind of challop-y but III is my fav version. the only real flaw w/ it is the AI is completely broken and v. single-minded.

Only played it on DS. Don't know what I don't quite dig about it, something about the smallness of the screen and a lack of nerdiness maybe, it doesn't feel deep enough.

xpost yeah I think I might've liked 3 the most, I should get it again.

yeah I kinda dig the lack of depth, b/c it frees me up (psychologically) to take chances and go aggro rather than bunkering down as is my wont when I know the game is going to take 2 weeks to finish.

otoh just picked up Medieval War 2 Gold so I guess a new kind of depth awaits me

i'm playing II again now simply because i'm traveling and only have a laptop and its just too easy to game. despite my having just lost Washington i'm way ahead of almost everybody and i control all the wonders but two @ 1300 bc.

shit meant Medieval 2 Total War, you all know what I meant.

i need to get empire total war at some point. the other part of the reason that i'm playing civ II is that i'm jonesing for some tactical battle attack fun

of course i start playing civ and devolve into the same micro-mgmt trade and expansion style that i no works and have almost no units at all

has civ 2 been eroded from its position as 'the one classic example of this type of thing' yet? are the later versions generally rated above it?

i played civ 2 what seems like a 'lot' in high school but it seems like it takes some seriously epic playtimes to even think about developing a 'style', like multiple hundreds of hours

today i kind of wish it was a bit more guns-germs-and-steel-ish

like, you don't even HEAR about spain until your 352nd turn. and by your 354th you have been wiped out.

I like Civ Rev b/c it's so fast and so you can try out styles w/o a long grind.

Alpha Centauri 4 LIFE

YES, just reinstalled AC a few days ago

played civ 2 what seems like a 'lot' in high school but it seems like it takes some seriously epic playtimes to even think about developing a 'style', like multiple hundreds of hours

really? i would think it would take like a half dozen games above warlord @ most and you'd have at least a vague conception of what works for u what type of civ u like to create. i mean III asks u to do that b4 u have even started ~??~ '_'

i no wut u mean re: guns, germs & steel and i think that III and IV tried to do this, a little, both w/resources and map generation. like in III its relatively true that the stile of play u adopt should be dictated by the terrain your civ starts w/ what types of resources u have but i think most players will still lean towards certain methods. also the connection btw civ personality and starting location wasnt that strong (it was there but weaker than say diff lvl) so

I bought Galactic Civilisations II: Ultimate Edition last week, which is the shit if you are at all into 4X games. Civ II was my Civ-era, but the AI always sucked so bad. AI in GalCiv is great and the game is way more customisable if you want to simplify/streamline the gameplay. I bought Civ Rev a month or so ago for the DS but I haven't touched it yet.

I love Civilization and always have and always will!

As you should!

today i feel like finding a copy of civ ii and playing for hours and paying a bare minimum of attention to the outside world :|

Played it off and on for my entire 16 hour shift!