Killing Joke -vs- Steely Dan

hal blaine vs dave grohl

Killing Joke are good music and that's not a "goth thing."

I wish the goths at my high school had looked like that.

Oh I missed this one. Steely Dan would have gotten yet one more vote.

You don't say.

I only own two KJ albums but I'll take them over Steely Dan anyway. I'm sad SD won.

Obviously I voted for Steely Dan - and I love Killing Joke, at least the first two records & spots here and there. (Frankly I think the fire which they honored never really burned as bright again, though I got kicked in the teeth by that album that Grohl played on a couple years back) In re: the goth business though, I've said this before - they're not the sort of lamers who'd self-identify as goth, because they're not lamers. But Christian Death didn't ID as goth, either. Any band that'd describe themselves as "a goth band" is gonna suck balls. But in L.A. at least Killing Joke always occupied a sort of middle ground - punks liked them, so did the death rock kids who went nuts for TSOL's "Dance With Me." Their flickr portrait should rightly have a small-font "goth" tag on it.

But "are they goth or not goth?" is a stupid question. They're about as goth as the Birthday Party, which is to say, anybody who says there's no connection is lying or stupid, but anybody who thinks the tag is a sufficient descriptor is silly.

Steely Dan are goths.

^k.j. dickrider

Classy!

Steve Gadd vs Dave Grohl. hmm though one.

hmmm tough one.

is tallgoth redbraids into some burmese neck elongations trip?

am0n once again demonstrates why the ^ keystroke, along with the word "ban," should be banned

Steely Dan has way more good records. But aside from The Royal Scam, I never listen to the Dan on purpose. Whereas I still play the first and third Killing Joke records with some frequency.

Killing Joke are totally goth in the broad sense. That's part of what's good about them.

They're not fucking Goths and never were, for cryin' out loud. DO YOUR HOMEWORK, PEOPLE!

In all candor, comparing Killing Joke to Steely Dan is like comparing power tools to rice cakes.

All I know is that, the first time I ever heard Sisters of Mercy, I thought "they sort of sound like Killing Joke, but not as good."

Again, I think this begs a greater discussion as to what constitutes a Goth band. Don't think this is the thread for that.

"In all candor, comparing Killing Joke to Steely Dan is like comparing power tools to rice cakes."

...sarcastic rice cakes with unlimited funding and the best session players that money can buy.

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Listen to "Complications" off the s/t Killing Joke record while staring at the cover of Fire Dances. Then get back to me on who's goth.

Eat a big bag of your own filth, throw it up and rub it all over yourself, and then get back to me, Nate.

Killing Joke are only "goth" in the same way that Siouxsie and the Banshees are "goth" or for that matter Dead Can Dance are "goth" IE a bunch of goth bands ripped them off something rotten. There's a world of difference between KJ and, say the mission or sisters of mercy, not least KJ are GREAT and do not SUCK.

Haha! I'm going to have good dreams now. Thank you Alex. :)

Alex rules when he's all bent out of shape.

I dunno, I have my doubts about the Alex in NYC reunion tour.

Dude sure likes Killing Joke, I'll give him that.

No, it's a family of your family Thanksgiving party, cocksmoker.

-- Alex in NYC, Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:46 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

Eat a big bag of your own filth, throw it up and rub it all over yourself, and then get back to me, Nate.

-- Alex in NYC, Monday, November 26, 2007 12:47 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Classy!

-- Alex in NYC, Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

WHY I DISLIKE ALEX IN NYC, A LESSON IN THREE PARTS.

dickrider is way more original than cocksmoker fwiw.

later kj albums get really samey

dickrider is way more original than cocksmoker fwiw.

oh yeah dickrider is up on some vanguard shit, you never hear that from, like, everybody

I think it's a really lame insult because it boils down to "you're showing too much enthusiasm" = really? eat shit, then, asshole

ok now i see why trolling wrong and i am sorry

I prefer his earlier work.

naw, it's more than showing too much enthusiasm. it's blind fanboy bullshit, an inability to admit that maybe your tastes are not for everybody, and CONSISTENTLY deriding those who disagree with you. xpp

Why does the cobra bite me when I put my hand next to its mouth?

Used to be more of a surprise factor.

Wait, people are still getting butthurt over Alex in NYC?

people are still saying butthurt?!

butthurt is a good word.

Better than dickride?

Not that I agree with the analogies, but why is a band that's an analogous to a power tool better than a band that's analogous to a rice cake? Rice cakes may be bland, but power tools just make me think of blunt masculine energy, which I rarely find appealing.

power tools go right to my hips : (

Let's take the transcripts of arguments between 6th grade boys on the back of school buses, parse them, and judge the insults. I am sure this will bear fruit!

If you fell into a cave, and it was full of power tools and rice cakes, I bet you'd be way more into the rice cakes.

Or you could use the power tools to drill through the walls and get out.

well if the cave has free utilities then you might as well just live there

rice cakes are good w/cream cheese

im going to add some rice cakes and cream cheese to my fresh direct order

Turning into a TITTWWS thread.

J0hnD. is capt. save-a-controversy. p.s. u madddd

can't wait 4 his willfully naive rebutt-al!!! XD

Power tools are mostly battery operated now, ya know.

And if you fall on a big pile of them, you can just use another one when the previous one's battery runs out.

Look, I got this "escape from a fucking cave" thing all worked out in my head.