are disco edits the new electroclash?

i am serious, the difference in method between the glimmer twins and, say, jon carter or freddy fresh or krafty kuts is a couple of years and a couple of cred pts

xpost it's ok dan i'm thinking out loud and i still like your dj mixes a lot!

xxpost

unless some hipsters wanna go ahead and renovate happy hardcore for me. k thnx bye.

did/do people actually dance to trip hop cause beardo disco seems more amenable to dancing crushing the analogy in the process (as structurally correct as it may be)

anyone know if there are there any reel to reel edits sets floating around the internerd?

http://www.richcolour.com/mastermix/vol1/

http://members.home.nl/discopatrick/

does anyone remember the scene from new order's "confusion" video where arthur baker and band bring the reel-to-reel spool to the club? where are the modern freestyle edits?

If you get off the internet, a lot of the best of these edits/boots (i mean the old ones) are really easy to find, still being pressed, and kinda fun to collect. You can get the Big Apple Productions releases, like volume 2, the Latin Rascals one, at stores all over NYC.

I discovered some hot hi-nrg tracks from a vinyl mix called Aerobic Speedballer Mix.

http://members.home.nl/discopatrick/jdc.htm

don't pay more then like, a buck for these of course.

yeah i DO mean big beat! but believe it or not i spent 20 minutes this morning trying to remember what it was called ... then i was like "fuck it, i'll call it trip hop". srsly though, you could make the same case about "trip hop" re: delia + gavin.

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i like some hi-nrg, but i think what i really like is the slower bpm stuff.

so there should be a beardo cover of "i wonder if i take you home". who should make it? or maybe it's one classic that should be left alone.

i am listening to big apple prod vol 2 now. (after checking out the nutso sigue sigue sputnik mix from the first link which oddly reminded me of the villalobos track on superlongevity 4)

fac 93 people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2xxuibDrhc&search=new%20order%20confusion

wonder if thats joe's pizza in the beginning

Maybe the edits are getting a little pervasive but anything that exposes me to music like I Love You More (Mr K Inst.) - Rene & Angela can be called prog rock for all I care.

I really found vahid's trip hop rant up above amusing considering the amount of space he has spent defending mowax but what the hell.

but i'm DEFENDING big beat here!

big beat ... is cool ... for the same reasons ... that beardo disco is cool!!

http://www.tropicalcomputersystem.com/

Vahid's analogy comes from the beardo thread, equating beardo's mixture of classic rock and disco with big beat's mixture of rock and club music. I haven't been able to put into words why I think it's irrelevant, other then a "there's a difference and I know it when I hear it" as mentioned above.

It may have something to do with Big Beat's whole uk sampledelic sources, where it's like, the Beatles + Coldcut = Chemical Fatboy whatever, whereas beardo is more about the sound of classic rockers playing disco, whether it's the Doors Peace Frog and The Wasp, Chicago's I'm a Man, The Rolling Stones Undercover of the Night era etc.

Lee Douglas! Nice. I love his track and the one edit I have of his.

What is the girl to boy ratio at one of those nights? Is it mainly guys scratching their chins and checking out the jams or is it pure disco fever?

I mean, they seem to flow in at a fairly steady rate and the ones done by prydzstyleremixer/discoman@hotmail.com are almost always shit

but yeah, its all about the girls and the beard scratching.

that means that one boy shows up, and one girl. That's it. 2 people. Can't beat that ratio.

Are you really looking to early evening record listening parties to score?

You're better off with Heather's on thursday nights. The skirt there is unbeatable.

I don't like the direction this thread is going.

I'm showing up at 8 and leaving early, and have no time to pick out records, so it'll be a suprise for you as well as me. Don't let Mike be the only person to show up before 10 pm!

Hey I did my best not to make this connection. I can't help it if I am mexican and love tacos.

1:1 ratio boys to girls is pretty good. I mainly asked cause I wondered if it was a dancing crowd as opposed to a record spotting crowd. Do you ever drop in housey cross over tunes in your sets Dan or Yaz? What is the cut off date for disco in your mind?

It's not a disco party.

It's not a dance party.

Dancing is not allowed.

Jeremy and I DJ dance parties all the time.

This is our chance to play Thomas Leer and Camberwell Now and Robert Wyatt and Clive Stevens and Group XEX....to a small group of friends and likeminded individuals. See the beardo thread, there's more talk about Dazzle Ships there.

As far as my dance sets are concerned, there are no cut-off dates and there's no need to drop crossover tunes. I play all kinds of hits all the time anyway.

I'll have to agree that the market is flooded with mediocre edits that serve no real purpose and that listeners as a whole would be better served with plain ol' boots of rare tracks.

A couple of comments tho'.

I've heard of Betty B's edits, but haven't heard 'em.

My understanding is that Theo's edits are old edits off reel that he pressed up a few times but has now flooded the market so much that there are no new ones. Funny how he got pissed when they got booted 'cause they were pressed in such small quantities and at such high prices.

The A side of the Slying Squad record is real nice.

Suprised that no one mentioned the Underdog Edit series which re-introduce very obscure releases, nicely re-edited to re-express the material, nicely mastered.

New edit series that I'm privy to is called Members Only, which is super-raw, Chicago-style. The first one is sort of a re-creation of an old Sneak edit of a Trammps track. There are more in the works, #2 smokes.

Has anyone heard of some guys who faithfully re-created Ron Hardy edits that they heard on live mixes?

I know Hardy's nephew or something was selling some vinyl of Hardy edits.

once again sorry for sowing confusion the beardo thread is answering so many questions I have been having recently.

This comparison is dumb because of the huge disparity between the two scenes in the time-lag between the source material and its recontextualisation.

People hate on Big Beat because its seen as recontextualisation of black american music as dance music for white people. At the time it happened the source material was hip hop from about 10-15 years earlier therefore it could be seen as gutting a still-vital music genre of its controversial, violent and middle-class baiting aspects.

Beardo-disco is recontextualisation of 30-year old dance music of varying ethnic and geographical origin for white hipsters. Disco as a scene does not exist today in the way that hip hop did in the mid 90s, and furthermore, disco as a scene has already been made 'safe' in 2006 by endless cycles of revivalism and recycling so beardo disco can hardly be making it safe for white people.

Additionally given that big beat was a UK-driven thing, and the beardo thing is pretty much international its not even like you can claim its the same sort of people doing it!

If anything its more like rare groove or acid jazz.