Defend the Indefensible: Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer...

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And judging by how many people in my elementary school WORSHIPPED Vanilla back in the day, I have to assume he's a secret influence on a lot of young undie rappers out there.
He's obv the Jackie Robinson of rap. Except that he sucked.

sym (shmuel), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

Judging by his flow in "In The End," which is like a harpoon daily and nightly, I'm guessing Mike Shinoda would have been busting "Ice Ice Baby" with the rest of the kids in the back of my school bus.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

One teacher actually had us read the lyrics for some "rap is poetry" deal but wanted to change the "damn" line. It became (with help from us) "so fast, all the DJs say darn/I fight like a cat without a ball of yarn."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:00 (twenty years ago) link

oddly enough we didn't change the lines about gunplay.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:01 (twenty years ago) link

Cats get mighty ornery without their balls of yarn, I guess. But still, the line is about as intimidating as...Vanilla Ice.

sym (shmuel), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:12 (twenty years ago) link

He's still very rich and makes his money these days in real estate.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:18 (twenty years ago) link

yall know that ice, uh, i mean 'rob' is on the current season of 'the surreal life'? and that he completely freaks out upon seeing iconic photos of him back then in the house? and goes way, way, *way* too far trying to get gary coleman to stand next to todd bridges and say 'whatchoo talkin about willis', even though that is the exact same thing about his own career that pisses him off?

fucking classic.

heywood jablomi (heywood), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

oh and that he's got serious anger management issues?

heywood jablomi (heywood), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:27 (twenty years ago) link

Nardwuar interviews Vanilla Ice (17MB mp3)

adamth, Thursday, 5 February 2004 05:32 (twenty years ago) link

i liked the hammerman cartoon. it came on just after bugs bunny. and hammer never did a nu-metal cd, so he wins!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 5 February 2004 05:35 (twenty years ago) link

I like things that have vanilla and smell like vanilla, so...

Aja (aja), Thursday, 5 February 2004 05:37 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
Indefensible? INDEFENSIBLE!? Surely MC Hammer is the greatest artist of our time! Or would be, if he was around now! Unfortunately he wasn't. Unless of course your time was his time. But still... F U! Hammer rules!

Speedy, Saturday, 29 April 2006 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

The only positive thing I can say about MC Hammer is he was considerably less pathetic than Vanilla Ice.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 29 April 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

http://hetemeel.com/einstein/46687.jpg

Miguel, Saturday, 29 April 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

They were both fun and excessive.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 29 April 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Neither are indefensible. Both made at least one or two great party songs that I wouldn't be upset to dance to even tonight.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 29 April 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

The only positive thing I can say about MC Hammer is he was considerably less pathetic than Vanilla Ice.

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), April 29th, 2006.

I think someone here feels a little threatened by these two Gods of music.

Speedy, Sunday, 30 April 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
The only line of Ice's Eminem-hate rap I can remember is "Eminems? I eat 'em like candy." Like ICP's calling him "Slim Anus," it seems like his enemies can't help but use homoerotic imagery when attempting to dis Shady.

I don't know where either Vanilla Ice or ICP get off sledging Eminem. At least he's a real fucking rapper! (and I'm hardly an Eminem fan, but god, them's the facts)

Andrew (enneff), Friday, 25 August 2006 05:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I like how in the second Ninja Turtles movie as soon as the Turtles burst through the club where Vanilla Ice is performing, Ice tells his dancers "Fellas, I have an idea...". Without him saying anything else they immediately start dancing in perfect choreography to Ice's supposedly improvised "Ninja Rap". I guess they had a ready-made song prepared just in case giant, man-sized mutant turtles burst through the walls of the club.

-- latebloomer (posercore24...), February 4th, 2004.

Omigod yes!! Go Ninja Go Ninja Go!!! I went to see this movie when it came out in the theater and on the marquee his name was in big letters right under the Turtles. I was so happy.

It's too bad Hammer's Addam's Family song isn't more infamous. I remember listening to it alot when I was a little kid (my name's Adam) and he keeps saying "To the bridge" and I had no idea what he was talking about. I imagined the song was taped live and they were all walking across some steel bridge on stage, knees bent, hands pumping in the air...

Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

"Scary" dude from his addam's family video: hey Hammer, what do you think of that taco?

Hammer: Proper

Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 25 August 2006 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Pump It Up (Here's the News) was a fucking jam...so was Turn This Mutha Out....pre-Hammertime Hammer is so underrated...also Juicy Gotcha Crazy by Oaktown 357 (which I think he "produced" - I'mm sure pappa would know)....

him and early Mix-a-Lot are also probably a super underrated infl. on dudes like Timbaland and Pharrel, they were sticking with electro type beats all thru the boom bap era.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

It seems quite unfair to lump these two together. He may not
have aged well, but for his time, he had some solid numbers.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/490/491733.jpg

rofl.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 9 December 2007 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link

jesus god this one is worse

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Platinumunderground.jpg

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 9 December 2007 13:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I pity Vanilla Ice.

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 9 December 2007 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link

I saw Chuck D. on a lecture tour in 1991, and someone in the audience asked him about about both these guys and he had nothing but positive things to say about either. Hammer he praised for his business sense, the size of his operation, how many people he was able to employ, which Chuck admired (guess we didn't know then that he was actually going bankrupt). He actually called Vanilla Ice the Elvis of rap or something, said he liked him because he brought more people to hip-hop, which was a good thing. So there you have it.

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 9 December 2007 17:15 (sixteen years ago) link

"ice ice baby" is a great pop song.

pc user, Sunday, 9 December 2007 17:16 (sixteen years ago) link

well, Hammer brought me to rap, but I don't think he's owed any retroactive props for that, because the group that got me SERIOUSLY into rap was N.W.A. (years later)

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 9 December 2007 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link

"Ice Ice Baby" is good despite the wack flow. Vanilla Ice is probably the must unlucky & pathetic man in the music business.

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 9 December 2007 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link

The only thing I can say to their defence is it is a myth that they were supposed to be so much worse than other rappers. They are all the same.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 9 December 2007 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link

lol

pc user, Sunday, 9 December 2007 17:57 (sixteen years ago) link

hahahaha

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 9 December 2007 17:59 (sixteen years ago) link

A rap expert writes there.

Neil S, Sunday, 9 December 2007 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Between the two of them, they left behind so many unintentional (and pathetic) comic gems, that you've got to cherish their legacy if only for that. Of course theres Hammer's gangsta turn, but Ice is surely the winner in this regard. Cool as Ice should be sought out and seen in its entirety, as it offers consistent comedic gold, but here's the infamous rampless fence-jumping scene. And, of course, there's his love rap and his first post-To The Extreme comeback attempt, when he wanted to be taken seriously as some sort of dreadlocked, pot-loving Das EFX disciple.

Pillbox, Sunday, 9 December 2007 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I always wanted to hear from whoever won MTV's Give Hammer A Hand contest, whose grand prize was getting to be Hammer's valet for a day.

"The Addams Family Groove" is better than "Addams Family (Whoomp!)".

I was checking the the latter song title and came across the track list for the Addams Family Values soundtrack:

"It's Your Thing", performed by H-Town – 3:59
"Be Thankful for What You Got", performed by Portrait – 4:37
"Express Yourself", performed by Roger and Fu-Schnickens – 5:31
"Whatcha See Is Whatcha Get", performed by RuPaul – 4:50
"Family Affair", performed by Shabba Ranks, Patra, with Terri & Monica – 4:29
"Night People", performed by Brian McKnight – 4:29
"Supernatural Thing", performed by Charles & Eddie – 4:35
"Do Your Thing (Love On)", performed by R. Kelly and Mad Cobra – 4:35
"Do It Any Way You Wanna (It's on You)", performed by Guru – 4:28
"May You Always Drink Bizarre", performed by P.M. Dawn – 3:23
"Addams Family (Whoomp!)", performed by Tag Team – 3:50

Eazy, Sunday, 9 December 2007 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Harmless chart pop. What's the big deal?

PhilK, Sunday, 9 December 2007 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link

"Ice Ice Baby" is good despite the wack flow. Vanilla Ice is probably the must unlucky & pathetic man in the music business.

-- Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, December 9, 2007 5:48 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

I think he still actually has his money though, unlike Hammer!

latebloomer, Sunday, 9 December 2007 22:12 (sixteen years ago) link

but it's true, he'll never escape the stigma of being Vanilla Ice

latebloomer, Sunday, 9 December 2007 22:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Had this been a "taking sides", Hammer was obviously way less pathetic than Vanilla. I mean Vanilla was this pathetically "cool" hip-hop-wigger type, while Hammer had sort of a novelty image, really.

Plus Hammer credited the ones he stole music from, unlike Vanilla.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 9 December 2007 22:17 (sixteen years ago) link

but don't you see (as Anthony Miccio noted upthread) "their song goes dee-dee-dee diggy dee-dee. His goes DEE-dee-dee-dee diggy dee-dee. It's totally different!"

latebloomer, Sunday, 9 December 2007 22:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Play that Funky Wii!

Cliftonb, Sunday, 9 December 2007 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link

^^ omglol at that mashup

stephen, Sunday, 9 December 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Wii Sports > V-Ice

stephen, Sunday, 9 December 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

"Express Yourself", performed by Roger and Fu-Schnickens – 5:31

(!)

The Reverend, Monday, 10 December 2007 03:21 (sixteen years ago) link

In the Vanilla Ice movie (forget what it's called), he rides up to the girl on his motorcycle and says "lose the zero, and get with the hero".

I always thought that was awesome.

Nate Carson, Monday, 10 December 2007 11:38 (sixteen years ago) link

"I seriously did win a motocross championship, dammit!"

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Monday, 10 December 2007 12:58 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't even think the rap is bad on ice ice baby. that song rules.

mc hammer was pretty great for awhile.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 10 December 2007 22:05 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm pretty sure hammer is on the thank u list for both it takes a nation of millions to hold us back AND straight outta compton, what the fuck have u done?

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 10 December 2007 22:06 (sixteen years ago) link

I had more money than he did a few years ago!

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 03:28 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't even think the rap is bad on ice ice baby. that song rules.

the problem is that when the beat drops out he loses the rhythm and rushes his lines

Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 03:31 (sixteen years ago) link


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