stephen king c/d?

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Bag of Bones is my favorite of all of them - then The Green Mile - after that, well, fuck it, I loved them all.

Except Rose Madder and Gerald's Game.

luna (luna.c), Monday, 23 February 2004 21:33 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Am reading the Dark Tower series right now. Currently sucking down the 3rd book, and will probably go pick up the 4th before the week is out. Interesting evolution between the 1st two books in the series, as they were seperated by 20 years and almost a completely new quality of writing.

Kingfish Cowboy (Kingfish), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:33 (twenty years ago) link

classic for inspiring his doppleganger garth merenghi

pete s, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:37 (twenty years ago) link

I saw Secret Window on the Weekend, and aside from being another story about an isolated writer, it was pretty good. Mainly cuz of J.Depp and J.Tur though.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

dud if you are over 13

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

I only read the first two dark tower books, I liked them (the first more than the second), are the rest better? Does it feel like it's building into a massive, thread-tying, career-summation sort of masterpiece? Or just a longwinded yarn that doesn't go anywhere?

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:42 (twenty years ago) link

Argument for the classic -- providing inspiration to Brent Hanley, whose script for Frailty showed it, and very well at that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

Classic for about 3/4 of the story, up until he realizes that he can't get himself out of the corner he's written himself into and slaps on an abrupt, unsatisfying ending in an attempt to meet deadline.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago) link

aka 'the Neil Stephenson Disease'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

The ending to the Dreamcatcher novel was so bad I refuse to see the movie. I figure it could only get worse.

While on a v. short enforced vacation a couple of years ago, I tore through a couple of his early novels. Firestarter was much better than I was expecting, Carrie was OK and then Dreamcatcher was awful.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

he has been compared to melville (i think it was the nyrb?) as a writer who can't help but cram everything he knows about anything into his novels. i like that about his writing a lot, i'm usually a bit disappointed when the protagonists finally get around to confronting the monsters and we're dragged away from all the little snapshots of life in semirural maine.

his short stories are, of course, the bomb. his novels usually have the equivalent of two or three short stories crammed in there by way of exposition or introduction. those parts are great too.

gotta agree on the endings, though. tacky! and he does have a bit of a tendency to repeat himself, both in and between works.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:13 (twenty years ago) link

Is it worth buying the Stand? Or does he have other/better post-apocalyptic good v. evil-stylee novels?

(I just started A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius last night and the first 50 pages are making me ill, so I need something new.)

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

Milo, you are wise to reject that book.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

"the stand" is not total crap, but large portions of it are near-indistiguishable from crap. his good postapocalypse novel is book i of the dark tower series. the rest of the dark tower series = increasingly pretentious and impenetrable (to me, anyway).

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:21 (twenty years ago) link

actually the stand is good all the way through the apocalypse and the re-establishment of civilization, then veers sharply into crap with The Final Battle Between Good and Evil.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

if you really want a good postapocalyptic novel you should read "a cure for cancer" by michael moorcock.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:23 (twenty years ago) link

Vahid speaks wisdom. That and Condition of Muzak are my two faves of the original 'tetralogy' as loosely defined/collated.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:40 (twenty years ago) link

I've had a lot of teachers and people who were supposedly into "real" literature criticize Stephen King for all kinds of reasons. For me the bottom line is that I've found several of his books, and short, stories, very entertaining so I say classic. "IT" might still be the scariest book I've ever read, as if clowns weren't already creepy enough.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 02:24 (twenty years ago) link

DUD DUD DUD (1% classic for inspiring me to inquire of my grandmother "what's a cunt?" at age 8.)

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

The last part of "A Cure for Cancer" is just as oddball as "The Stand". Both are worth reading, but I like these kind of stories.

"I Am Legend" by Richard Matheson is a good post apocalyptic story and possibly an influence on The Stand.

The Stephen King novel that I think holds up well is "The Dead Zone", I have read that one a couple of times. "Misery" is also pretty good, but the writer's novel part may get a bit long.

earlnash, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 19:08 (twenty years ago) link

just finished book 3 of the Dark Tower series last night, and will be heading into book 4 tonight.

addictive stuff.

Kingfish Cowboy (Kingfish), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 20:33 (twenty years ago) link

Everyone who mentioned the disappointing endings in SK's novels is pretty much OTM. Some of his short (and many of his longer) stories are better that way (The Mist, for eg). That said, novels like Pet Sematary and The Dark Half are creepier and more emotionally involving (actually upsetting) than they have any right to be, and those Bachman books are truly riveting.

Man needs a fucking editor. But he can make you care a whole hell of a lot (why did that phrase just sound like a King phrase?) about his characters and their interactions (with each other and the "landscape/place").

Many classics: Carrie, The Shining, The Stand, Pet Sematary, It, The Dark Half, Misery, Eyes of the Dragon, Dark Tower series.

Indifferent: Needful Things, Christine, Salem's Lot, Thinner (great twist, tho), the Green Mile, Dolores Claiborne.

Duds: Rose Madder, Insomnia, Dreamcatcher, Tommyknockers, The Regulators, etc.

I think ultimately he'll be remembered/revered/lauded more for his novella collections -- The Bachman Books, Different Seasons, and Four Past Midnight -- than for anything else.

David A. (Davant), Thursday, 18 March 2004 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone mentioned the Straub/King collabs? I never read them.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 18 March 2004 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

Stephen King, sucks. I would not go so far as to say holistically - I mean the running man was a supurb film, but he puts his name to every crap author being newly released and says they are the next big thing. Whore.
He also seems to spend an awful amount of time trying for studiedly 'different' descriptions which really aren't that interesting and too long winded by far. I tried to read the first in the dark tower series and became very angry with it, that seems to happen every time I try to give him a chance. Same thing happened with the shining, um and whatever other one it was I tried.
I don't understand his appeal at all.

Menelaus Darcy (Menelaus Darcy), Thursday, 18 March 2004 00:57 (twenty years ago) link

Superfluous commas, suck.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 18 March 2004 01:39 (twenty years ago) link

do you really think the running man was a SUPERB film?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 18 March 2004 03:26 (twenty years ago) link

I've quite a lot of respect for the taste of people on this board - but King is a dreadful writer, in my opinion - on every level, story, endings, prose style - and so i;m surprised at all youse lot sticking up for him. Time and time again I've given him another chance, to see if I can grasp what people see in him. But no, the agony's always the same.

Bunged Out (Jake Proudlock), Thursday, 18 March 2004 03:51 (twenty years ago) link

read the mist, it's scary!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 18 March 2004 03:52 (twenty years ago) link

I thought this thread would be about this guy:

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/_images/db/9/17/king1.91743.full.jpg

"Hello kiddies!"

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 18 March 2004 03:55 (twenty years ago) link

richard hatch?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 18 March 2004 03:57 (twenty years ago) link

king is 19c social realism applied to the 20c horror novel. please suggest a genre writer whose characters are less two-dimensional, whose settings have more life, whose voice is more natural, etc. he's very thorough, and he has a personality as a writer (compare to 90% of literary fiction).

don't really know what else to say except that i'm totally with David A in that he's a strong enough writer to make phrases like "he makes you care a whole hell of a lot" sound good, and if you can't see the charm in that we've probably got irreconcilable subjective differences.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 18 March 2004 04:00 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
oh, the domains people register:

http://www.lamerkindustries.com/

Kingfish Balzac (Kingfish), Monday, 5 April 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
Two Stephen King memories that stick with me despite not having read any of his books in about 10 years:

One of his short stories, a sci-fi piece about how teleportation travel has finally been invented and popularized. For it to work, you have to be sedated, because you aren't supposed to have your eyes open during teleportation, though the specifics for why aren't explained. A family is going on a trip. They all come out on the other end, but uh oh, where's the son? All of a sudden he pops out. He somehow faked the sedation and went through with his eyes open. He has been turned into a grotesque pile of flesh, a la the inside-out dog from The Fly. This disturbed me greatly for some reason and I still think about it from time to time.

Stephen King on Celebrity Jeopardy. All the other celebrities are playing for cancer research or orphanages or something, King is playing for his local library. This strikes me as incredibly cool. He trounces the other celebrities handily.

NA (Nick A.), Friday, 4 June 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

He has been turned into a grotesque pile of flesh, a la the inside-out dog from The Fly. This disturbed me greatly for some reason and I still think about it from time to time.

actually, he went insane.

this is in the _Skeleton Crew_ collection.

Kingfish Disraeli (Kingfish), Friday, 4 June 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

See, my mind made it more disturbing than it was.

NA (Nick A.), Friday, 4 June 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

yes. no more chocolate doughnuts for you before bedtime.

Kingfish Disraeli (Kingfish), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i think we talked about that story on ILB. it is called "the jaunt". it is so fucking creepy that one time when i REREAD it i got so wigged out that i went into the side yard and threw the book into the trash can.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

and yeah the only thing that happens to the kid is he goes nuts, but gosh, does he go nuts.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

alfred bester! okay for the following 90 seconds i will think stephen king is cool again

tom west (thomp), Friday, 4 June 2004 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

"king is 19c social realism applied to the 20c horror novel. please suggest a genre writer whose characters are less two-dimensional, whose settings have more life, whose voice is more natural, etc. he's very thorough, and he has a personality as a writer (compare to 90% of literary fiction).
don't really know what else to say except that i'm totally with David A in that he's a strong enough writer to make phrases like "he makes you care a whole hell of a lot" sound good, and if you can't see the charm in that we've probably got irreconcilable subjective differences.

-- vahid (vfoz...), March 18th, 2004."

OTM. Of all the writers who consistently sell millions and millions of books, he's one of the few who actually has a point of view. He's written some good stuff and written some shit, but a least he has his own voice.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 5 June 2004 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Harlan Ellison made the specific claim that King as such is sui generis, maybe more so at the start of his career but that he does definitely have a distinct, VERY distinct voice -- if anything I think a good analog would be Ray Bradbury, who also has a distinct voice and is very much an American writer working with a variety of fictive forms.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 June 2004 01:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Absolutely, the Bradbury connection looms large. Especially when you compare their short stories -- the singular, unmistakable (folksy yet lyrical) voice, the themes, the fictitious small communities, character as plot, hit-or-miss novels compared with more consistent shorter forms, their vaguely liberal small-town idealism, almost everything. I think King's gone on record citing Bradbury as an influence, too.

David A. (Davant), Saturday, 5 June 2004 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Jaunt" is about the gruesome effects of having to remain conscious for 90,000,000 years or something, right? I thought about it a lot when I worked in a call center. Actually it's like ALL jobs, really.

dave q, Saturday, 5 June 2004 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

No, that was Kubrik's/Spielberg's A.I.

David A. (Davant), Saturday, 5 June 2004 05:19 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
y'ever wonder what a Crimson King looks like?

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
So, I need some easy summer reading, and seeing as the new Michael Connelly isn't in paperback yet, I thought I'd try some Stephen King for the first time -- any recommendations?

More specifically, I kinda fancy checking out "The Stand" because the Lost writers keep name-dropping it -- is it worth it (it's long!) and should I read the old/short or new/long version?

Apart from that, Pet Sematary and Salem's Lot look interesting.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link

The Stand is my favorite of them; read the unabridged version. It's perfect if you like end-of-the-world type stuff.

Pet Sematary and Salem's Lot are also solid choices. Of his more recent books, I really liked Bag of Bones.

Sara R-C, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I love the Stand but I don't know if I would start out with that.

Misery and The Shining spring first to mind. I don't remember PS or SL enough to say if they'd be better choices though. Carrie is also good. Basically I think any of the more well-known ones would be a good first choice before you delve into some of the longer, more King-y ones.

I'm sure someone on ILX will disagree.

Ms Misery, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I re-read Misery last year and was amazed at how compelling I found it. (I mean, it's not like I didn't know the ending.) The Shining is also very good. I might steer clear of reading Cujo, though because it's just soooooo depressing.

Oh, and his short story collections Skeleton Crew and Night Shift are really great.

Sara R-C, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Not showing up to disagree, but It is still my favorite King.

But Misery and The Shining are both good recommendations.

Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link


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