imo winning is primarily comprised of literal basketball skills that can be learned outside of the actual act of winning, the obvious current successful tanking story is the thunder who had three top four picks in three years and tanked so hard that they actually played durant a the two a lot his rookie season, no approach works all the time in the nba (lol zero sum game) but i do think tanking was prob the way to go w where the sixers were at
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:59 (nine years ago) link
suspect if the sixers get a top two pick theyll consider trading down and taking russell or mudiay, emiid still a better prospect than okafor or towns imo
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:02 (nine years ago) link
tho who know maybe theyll keep stockpiling centers! (noel prob a forward tho)
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:10 (nine years ago) link
i'm interested to see what happens when the sixers are winning about 35-40 games on the raw talent of embiid or okafor or someone and he has to assemble actual basketball players into an actual team but for now he seems fine
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:11 (nine years ago) link
yeah agreed see if he can put together the right supporting cast, right coach, make all the little moves
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:12 (nine years ago) link
i like okafor better than embiid especially considering injury history
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:13 (nine years ago) link
the teams that tanked and shot to the top are much more rare than teams that just assembled parts naturally and congealed over a period of time
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link
okafor obvs gonna be a monstrous offensive player and is more of a sure thing but embiids defensive potential where okafor doesnt have much is what puts him over the top for me, def more of a risk tho
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:15 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ehhh i mean i think "assembled naturally" comprises any number of approaches where youre basically saying all the other ways of assembling a team put together are better than this one way, also its situational, some ways other teams did it were prob not available to the sixers, celtics tanked to put together the big three, spurs tanked to get duncan
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:19 (nine years ago) link
its a legit way to get good players, and in some situations is the best way
celtics also tanked to get duncan lol wha whaaaa
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:22 (nine years ago) link
it's sorta weird ppl are so outraged by tanking now, it's not like it's a new phenomenon and it was arguably worse and more effective when the #1 pick was some college senior who could come in and very probably make the allstar game the first year and instantly make yr team 25 wins better. --balls
it's true it has definitely been around for a longass time but the way hinkie is doing it smacks of flying by the seat of one's pants for guaranteed job security, as well as miserliness to an obscene degree beyond just savvy spending/nonspending (the kj deal, the salary floor thing) that just makes me feel gross
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:56 (nine years ago) link
gross feeling could also just stem from imagining hinkie's smiling face tbrr
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:57 (nine years ago) link
ya this has to be the most extreme tank job ever, also ppl been mad abt tanking tho more the other kind where teams try to lose individual games at the end of the season usually not playing their best player to improve draft position rather than this kind which is done by the gm instead of the coach
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:59 (nine years ago) link
breaking theres a leak in the ceiling in atlanta
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:03 (nine years ago) link
other diff (which may be subjective, other ppl seemed not to be as bothered) that philly openly tanked on the court in full view of cameras immediately after that fucking MCW players tribune story, whereas other bad teams that are rebuilding or will have to are just playing poorly, not actively trying to lose or openly not giving a shit
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:03 (nine years ago) link
*is that
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:04 (nine years ago) link
really i wasnt under the impression that philly were purposely playing bad they just have no talent, like theyve been dece at D
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:05 (nine years ago) link
of course no one has actually seen them play so its hard to say
like it's a game and we know what's going on but at least try and sell the fallacy a little bit better, FFS. this also makes the MCW trade more baffling is that he was clearly willing to tank on the court and wait it out! (and yes is an actively bad shooter but still)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:06 (nine years ago) link
I'm referring most blatantly to MCW's refusal to play defense in the dallas mavs game, the one skill he's legit really good at, also in the first sixers-celtics game I watched he was blatantly taking shots everyone knew he couldn't make to the point where he had to be doing it on purpose unless he's a complete moron (which is possible; he did after all write a players trib story that said "don't talk to me about tanking)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:10 (nine years ago) link
well someone has to take the shots and none of them can make them
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:11 (nine years ago) link
i mean the fact that philly is not even the worst team in the nba has to be proof that theyre not intentionally losing
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:12 (nine years ago) link
kool-aidey attitude of the hinkiehead fans also making me disinclined to feel anything other than contemptuous of the team that once had my fav player of all time
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:12 (nine years ago) link
they are the worst offensive team but theyre 14th in defense! above average!
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:13 (nine years ago) link
could just be to throw silver off the scent *dons tinfoil hat*
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:14 (nine years ago) link
the players aren't playing bad on purpose why on earth would they do that
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:16 (nine years ago) link
yo minny is totally gonna sign kg for another two years just to yell at their young players lol
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:17 (nine years ago) link
the yelling skill ages very well iirc
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:18 (nine years ago) link
isnt that just called... a coach
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:19 (nine years ago) link
lol jared sullinger has apparently vowed to get in shape
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:31 (nine years ago) link
lol was just gonna post that
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:31 (nine years ago) link
omg sullinger is on tv right now vowing to lose weight while hes injured "im tired of seeing how i look on tv"
haaa xp
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:31 (nine years ago) link
paging lagoon sully is fatshaming himself
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:32 (nine years ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:34 (nine years ago) link
"how bout jonas jerebko" - not words I expected to hear
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:40 (nine years ago) link
he's planning on losing weight/changing his body while noting that he can only ride the stationary bike for a while, not sure how this is going to work
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:41 (nine years ago) link
Isaiah Canaan appears to be an inferior NBA player to KJ McDaniels
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:48 (nine years ago) link
shock of the century: the sixers acquired a markedly bad player known to be markedly bad
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:49 (nine years ago) link
he can shoot 3s apparently but in every other aspect of the game he seems terrible and he's a midget
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:53 (nine years ago) link
the Hinkie defenders are about 8 months away from needing to stfu imo
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:57 (nine years ago) link
i think weve got another couple years
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:58 (nine years ago) link
the congratulations he got for the MCW trade were pretty ridiculous. Great job trading your bust!!! So savvy!
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 26 February 2015 02:00 (nine years ago) link
it's good he didn't pick giannis, then he wouldn't get a chance at uh.... Thon Maker?
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 26 February 2015 02:01 (nine years ago) link
if he really is a bust then that was a good move!
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 02:01 (nine years ago) link
yes but it's a good move for a GM who should be on the hot seat
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 26 February 2015 02:02 (nine years ago) link
I was getting into it with the covington-mcdaniels stuff but now I guess they're just gonna trade covington for dellavedova and a second rounder
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 26 February 2015 02:03 (nine years ago) link
Noel looks ok I guess. Embiid is apparently fat and on the block tho.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 26 February 2015 02:04 (nine years ago) link
really enjoying the name "thon maker"
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 26 February 2015 02:07 (nine years ago) link
same
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 02:08 (nine years ago) link