on the other side of the ledger hes a business school attending ted talk watching bozo http://deadspin.com/the-76ers-are-run-by-a-ridiculous-ted-humping-moron-1686613279
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:51 (nine years ago) link
not finding some way to exploit that unused cap space doesn't make me think he's real savvy though
― balls, Wednesday, February 25, 2015 5:32 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he has fwiw exploited the cap space via facilitating other teams trades/contract dumps in exchange for second round picks, which seems to have been his plan all along
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link
i guess if u get like every pick in the second round u will prob find a good player
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:54 (nine years ago) link
the whole thing yday about how they only signed thomas robinson to get to 90% of the cap and avoid the salary floor penalty (aka paying more to largely underpaid young players) seemed pretty scummy
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:58 (nine years ago) link
well he also got thomas robinson
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:59 (nine years ago) link
i mean like it makes no sense to to it just out of spite
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:00 (nine years ago) link
how do you build a culture that free agents want to be a part of? Anyone with space can offer a free agent a max deal. They have a great coach and a good young core but how do you convince a young star that hinkie isn't going to trade him a year later for forty second rounders.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:00 (nine years ago) link
u build a culture free agents want to b part of by either a. winning a lot b. giving them more money than anyone else c. having yr team be in a cool city
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:03 (nine years ago) link
d. being in their home town if theyre some sort of precious fool
so how do they (a) win next year
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:05 (nine years ago) link
so they have to dump all their scrill into the new salary cap on whoever the marquee is then / hope some prime baller is from philadelphia.
philly hasn't really been a blockbuster FA destination since moses malone
― pursuit of happiness (art), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:05 (nine years ago) link
so.......their only hope is A then? and only by sometime in 2021 or so
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:06 (nine years ago) link
their plan at the moment seems to be to develop their own talent
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:07 (nine years ago) link
― pursuit of happiness (art), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:07 (nine years ago) link
this doesn't look too hot
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/high_schools.cgi?country=US&state=PA
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:07 (nine years ago) link
i mean signing a super star free agent is not the only way to win in the nba folks!
tho tbf it is one way that has been demonstrated previously to work, i'm not sure the same can be said abt hinkieball
...yet
― pursuit of happiness (art), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:09 (nine years ago) link
moreyball is a good model, obviously. but they need to find that harden analog and make the deal. who would that be?
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:11 (nine years ago) link
guys u realize they have one potential superstar on their roster already and are in line for a very high draft pick again this year
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:11 (nine years ago) link
i mean drafting yr own superstars is actually a thing sucessful teams have done before
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:12 (nine years ago) link
also trading for them
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:13 (nine years ago) link
i mean how ever u get them what matters is that u have them
who should they get though
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:14 (nine years ago) link
just like everyone? i guess
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:15 (nine years ago) link
get all the players
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:19 (nine years ago) link
yeah i could be wrong about him being savvy not exploiting the cap, i don't really pay much attention to the sixers, i just know that they have or have had space and i haven't heard ppl moaning that they're doing something that's a TRAVESTY and prompting whispers that adam silver could be open to changing the system.
― balls, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:28 (nine years ago) link
it's sorta weird ppl are so outraged by tanking now, it's not like it's a new phenomenon and it was arguably worse and more effective when the #1 pick was some college senior who could come in and very probably make the allstar game the first year and instantly make yr team 25 wins better.
― balls, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:35 (nine years ago) link
i think the "tear everything down until you get a superstar" method has been overrated, the bucks already have two top 3 picks i dunno if they need another one. i do buy into the idea that there's value in your younger players learning how to win over the course of a few years.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:51 (nine years ago) link
still i'm pretty on board with hinkie, i can't fault anything he's done except for losing out on mcdaniels because he tried to fuck him over on his first contract
also this is sort of nitpicky but they're gonna get a top 2 pick in a draft where the consensus top 2 prospects are centers after already drafting 2 centers but i guess they'll cross that bridge....
if they get okafor i think hinkie will end up looking just fine
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:53 (nine years ago) link
imo winning is primarily comprised of literal basketball skills that can be learned outside of the actual act of winning, the obvious current successful tanking story is the thunder who had three top four picks in three years and tanked so hard that they actually played durant a the two a lot his rookie season, no approach works all the time in the nba (lol zero sum game) but i do think tanking was prob the way to go w where the sixers were at
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:59 (nine years ago) link
suspect if the sixers get a top two pick theyll consider trading down and taking russell or mudiay, emiid still a better prospect than okafor or towns imo
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:02 (nine years ago) link
tho who know maybe theyll keep stockpiling centers! (noel prob a forward tho)
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:10 (nine years ago) link
i'm interested to see what happens when the sixers are winning about 35-40 games on the raw talent of embiid or okafor or someone and he has to assemble actual basketball players into an actual team but for now he seems fine
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:11 (nine years ago) link
yeah agreed see if he can put together the right supporting cast, right coach, make all the little moves
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:12 (nine years ago) link
i like okafor better than embiid especially considering injury history
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:13 (nine years ago) link
the teams that tanked and shot to the top are much more rare than teams that just assembled parts naturally and congealed over a period of time
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link
okafor obvs gonna be a monstrous offensive player and is more of a sure thing but embiids defensive potential where okafor doesnt have much is what puts him over the top for me, def more of a risk tho
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:15 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ehhh i mean i think "assembled naturally" comprises any number of approaches where youre basically saying all the other ways of assembling a team put together are better than this one way, also its situational, some ways other teams did it were prob not available to the sixers, celtics tanked to put together the big three, spurs tanked to get duncan
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:19 (nine years ago) link
its a legit way to get good players, and in some situations is the best way
celtics also tanked to get duncan lol wha whaaaa
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:22 (nine years ago) link
it's sorta weird ppl are so outraged by tanking now, it's not like it's a new phenomenon and it was arguably worse and more effective when the #1 pick was some college senior who could come in and very probably make the allstar game the first year and instantly make yr team 25 wins better. --balls
it's true it has definitely been around for a longass time but the way hinkie is doing it smacks of flying by the seat of one's pants for guaranteed job security, as well as miserliness to an obscene degree beyond just savvy spending/nonspending (the kj deal, the salary floor thing) that just makes me feel gross
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:56 (nine years ago) link
gross feeling could also just stem from imagining hinkie's smiling face tbrr
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:57 (nine years ago) link
ya this has to be the most extreme tank job ever, also ppl been mad abt tanking tho more the other kind where teams try to lose individual games at the end of the season usually not playing their best player to improve draft position rather than this kind which is done by the gm instead of the coach
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:59 (nine years ago) link
breaking theres a leak in the ceiling in atlanta
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:03 (nine years ago) link
other diff (which may be subjective, other ppl seemed not to be as bothered) that philly openly tanked on the court in full view of cameras immediately after that fucking MCW players tribune story, whereas other bad teams that are rebuilding or will have to are just playing poorly, not actively trying to lose or openly not giving a shit
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:03 (nine years ago) link
*is that
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:04 (nine years ago) link
really i wasnt under the impression that philly were purposely playing bad they just have no talent, like theyve been dece at D
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:05 (nine years ago) link
of course no one has actually seen them play so its hard to say
like it's a game and we know what's going on but at least try and sell the fallacy a little bit better, FFS. this also makes the MCW trade more baffling is that he was clearly willing to tank on the court and wait it out! (and yes is an actively bad shooter but still)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:06 (nine years ago) link
I'm referring most blatantly to MCW's refusal to play defense in the dallas mavs game, the one skill he's legit really good at, also in the first sixers-celtics game I watched he was blatantly taking shots everyone knew he couldn't make to the point where he had to be doing it on purpose unless he's a complete moron (which is possible; he did after all write a players trib story that said "don't talk to me about tanking)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:10 (nine years ago) link