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that's why I'm hoping everyone will just agree this is rad

Simon H., Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:06 (four years ago) link

strongly disliked "quetzalcoatl" when it got linked to metalthread a month or so back. not cuz impure, but the lifeless vocals really repelled me. i quite liked the more densely packed of the songs two main sections, but not enough to get me over the dreary rest. still curious...

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:13 (four years ago) link

This is surprisingly good. But man, is this gonna piss some folks off, and I completely understand that reaction.

But yeah, "Reign Array" and "Kel Valhaal" are so great.

― EZ Snappin, Friday, February 20, 2015 6:25 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

y do you understand this reaction? liturgy are just doin liturgy. prescriptive black metallers who accept nazi bands but not hendrix's attempts to "transcend the haptic void" are the worst people

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:36 (four years ago) link

I understand because people will be expecting metal of some sort based on the band's past and this isn't a metal album.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:51 (four years ago) link

it's sort of a metal album

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:33 (four years ago) link

i'm on my third trip through "reign array", and while the blackmetal signposting is very clear (mostly in the guitars), i'm more inclined to call this metal-influenced progressive indierock than metal as such. not sure what to make of it, tbh, but at least it's not yr standard-issue anything. though i like this track a good deal more than "quetzalcoatl", dude's vocals are still a big problem.

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:34 (four years ago) link

this came up after reign array last time through. you're welcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcTlFxkmDhk

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:37 (four years ago) link

Today, we continue to praise and glorify God, through a multiple, array of gifts and talents displayed through the presentation of theatrical type arts currently known, more commonly, as mime and praise dancing.

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:38 (four years ago) link

from his transcendental black metal essay from 2k10 or 11 or something:

the burst beat is a hyper blast beat, a blast beat that ebbs, flows, expands and contracts, breathes.

i think they've really accomplished this here, especially on quetzalcotl

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:40 (four years ago) link

the vocals are starting to remind me of Liars, which is fine by me

Simon H., Wednesday, 25 February 2015 03:14 (four years ago) link

he sounds kinda like panda bear

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 03:16 (four years ago) link

the vocals are starting to remind me of Liars, which is fine by me

otm, was thinking the same thing earlier on. but in a bad way.

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 03:34 (four years ago) link

well I tried listening to this but it's not really my thing, cheers to people who dig it, it's all good

metal-influenced progressive indierock

I would cut "progressive" from here - the riffs for sure are metallic but the presentation, all the aesthetic choices, are really...the kind of indie rock that was popular around 2007?

The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 04:26 (four years ago) link

I loved the indie rock that was popular around 2007 (I'm guessing you mean Battles, Fang Island, perhaps even Parts & Labor or so) and I've been missing it, and yeah, this does sound a bit like that. But that was always a bit progressive inspired as well.

I like this album more and more, but it doesn't flow as much as I want it to.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 19:24 (four years ago) link

prescriptive black metallers who accept nazi bands but not hendrix's attempts to "transcend the haptic void" are the worst people

this is not a binary

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:19 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

uh you guys what is this

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:48 (four years ago) link

i saw greg fox drumming last weekend (not with liturgy) and i have some observations

1) what a maniac! wow. made it look so easy too.
2) he is the healthiest looking metal drummer i have seen in probably ever, kudos to him for that and also for wearing a shirt
3) i need to check out guardian alien bc i'm not sure i care about this band but he was an incredible drummer

groundless round (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:06 (four years ago) link

no offense intended at other metal drummers -- they are probably v healthy

groundless round (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:07 (four years ago) link

He's amazing. Definitely check out his work with Guardian Alien and Zs.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:12 (four years ago) link

have enjoyed a GA record or two but when I saw them play it was kind of like a set-length drum solo with some other parts added as an afterthought

sick (healthy) drummer though for sure

Reader, I murder dem (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:17 (four years ago) link

i still have to listen to that Zs record. he talks about some healthy stuff here:
http://noisey.vice.com/en_ca/blog/greg-fox-guardian-alien-interview

lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 17:51 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I caught these guys last night. The songs really blossomed for me in a live setting; Hunt-Hendrix's voice sinks back and lets everything else take center stage. "Reign Array" was gorgeous and majestic.

Talking to friends, it seems they've been a bit hit or miss on this tour. Last night was hit after hit, even with a guitar dying on the second to last song. Greg Fox launched into a hypnotic solo as they sorted out replacement gear and then it was straight back to business.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:20 (four years ago) link

They should love Greg! Everyone should love Greg. Very nice guy, and a joy to watch and hear.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:29 (four years ago) link

i just impulse bought a ticket to the show friday
i will turn into a pumpkin at midnight, but i'll get to catch the openers and they're pretty good (horse lords and another band i don't know) and a little of liturgy if i'm lucky.
his whole worldview re drumming is really otm and inspiring

groundless round (La Lechera), Thursday, 9 April 2015 15:46 (four years ago) link

Yes! Seeing Liturgy and Horse Lords on a double bill is a rad idea

the tune was space, Thursday, 9 April 2015 16:50 (four years ago) link

The show in Dallas was Horse Lords at 8, Sannhet at 9 and Liturgy at 10. I was home by 11:30. It was awesome.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:01 (four years ago) link

Hm, that might be worth a trip to Montreal.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:02 (four years ago) link

Liturgy, Horse Lords, and Sannhet sounds very exhausting.

I'm looking forward to catching them with Lightning Bolt in a few weeks!

Tomás Piñon (Ryan), Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:11 (four years ago) link

this show starts at 9 so i expect to miss some liturgy but that's ok bc i have a (really long) class to teach the next morning

groundless round (La Lechera), Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:21 (four years ago) link

Sund4r I'll be at that show
Greg is amazing, Guardian Alien is amazing

got a long list of ilxors (fgti), Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:28 (four years ago) link

It wasn't exhausting at all. Maybe 2 hours and 10 minutes of music total, spread out over three hours and in pretty different styles.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:36 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

Listening to Kel Valhaal for the first time

:D

twunty fifteen (imago), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:57 (four years ago) link

all of metal heard this song and cried and cried

twunty fifteen (imago), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:58 (four years ago) link

just the best sort of annoying

twunty fifteen (imago), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 22:00 (four years ago) link

Why would metal cry at what sounds like a CD of In The Nursery skipping?

jimmy falloff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 8 October 2015 03:44 (four years ago) link

seriously

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 8 October 2015 05:43 (four years ago) link

this album is brilliant. 'reign array' and 'follow II' the highights but it all makes sense to me.

twunty fifteen (imago), Thursday, 8 October 2015 09:10 (four years ago) link

imo Kel Valhaal is totally their career highpoint to date, to the extent that you could bin near enough all their other songs and I wouldn't be too bothered

it's also kind of a nonsense setting up this imaginary confrontation with 'metal' - if I'd heard it first w/o knowing it was Liturgy I'd guess it had come from that Mego/PAN side of the tracks and wouldn't have given metal music/culture any consideration. which I'd say was a success wrt what I imagine Liturgy were trying to achieve here

these are my pincers and if you don't like them I have udders (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 8 October 2015 09:11 (four years ago) link

yer right, but the narrative is so hard to escape

twunty fifteen (imago), Thursday, 8 October 2015 09:15 (four years ago) link

I love this album, it's brilliant. It would be better maybe if some of the instruments sounded less artificial but I guess it goes well with the glitch elements. But it's an incredibly well-written record and it's certainly unique. I actually don't understand why Liturgy always get dumped on so much, they're one of the most creative and characterful bands around now imo.

Hunter H-H may allegedly be a pretentious pseud (never read the "manifesto", never will) but I don't why that's so enraging to metalheads. At least he's not a fucking fascist.

ultros ultros-ghali, Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:54 (four years ago) link

Their live show is face-meltingly loud, almost as loud as Melt-Banana

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:55 (four years ago) link

there's a bit in a pitchfork interview where he and his bandmates are just wandering around a jewish steam-room being all reflective and euphoric and it's pretty much the perfect evocation of why everyone hates them and why they're awesome. fwiw i reckon HHH is probably a mensch irl

'follow II' is a song that must, MUST have been written with me in mind. it's scarily close to what i'd want from a seven and a half minute metal song

ha melt-banana are the best gig i've ever been to, will have to see liturgy if they come around here

twunty fifteen (imago), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:59 (four years ago) link

they're coming in a couple of weeks and I intend to be there

btw this album is absolutely extraordinary - 'follow II' is one of those pieces of music I'm staggered even exists - it feels like I must have dreamt it

twunty fifteen (imago), Saturday, 17 October 2015 21:40 (four years ago) link

Really, dude? Really?!

si monvmentvm reqvires, pvmpkin spice (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 17 October 2015 22:51 (four years ago) link

Their live show is face-meltingly loud, almost as loud as Melt-Banana

― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, October 8, 2015 12:55 PM (1 week ago)

That was not my experience.

sarahell, Saturday, 17 October 2015 23:12 (four years ago) link

Mine either (although when I saw them they were just two dudes).

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 17 October 2015 23:23 (four years ago) link

Yeah really. What is the beef?

twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 18 October 2015 10:59 (four years ago) link

No beef! I just don't find it, uh, oneiric.

si monvmentvm reqvires, pvmpkin spice (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 18 October 2015 11:26 (four years ago) link

The sound of this is so crazy, but makes so much sense. It feels weirdly streamlined, even though it's all over the place.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 19:32 (one month ago) link

I think back when we were talking White Ward someone was dissapointed that it didn't sound more like cosmic jazz / Ayler / Alice Coltrane, and I was like 'lol, that can't be done'. But here we kinda are? And it's amazing.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:12 (one month ago) link

I guess I have no choice but to hear this now.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:14 (one month ago) link

loving this so far. jesus christ

gman59, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:28 (one month ago) link

AOTY

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:44 (one month ago) link

This is amazing.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:44 (one month ago) link

the climactic build of the title-track is like staring into a new form of art, or something

imago, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:51 (one month ago) link

One would almost say, a micro genre :D

Head's spinning in the best way possible. Played it twice now and it somehow seems to be over in 20 minutes idk. What a glorious catharsis.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:54 (one month ago) link

Finding it literally unlistenable rn, but my ears are kinda fried already and I have a headache, so I'll try another time. So far the glitchy Pro Tools edits are not appealing, that's an ugly & dated effect imo.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:58 (one month ago) link

Jesus Jordan I so completely feel the opposite. Ew, but, my ears want to have sex with this record. The piano of Exaco I sounds crisp and so sincere to me. The glitchy stuff fits well in a prog-like, 'fooled you we're taking this song into an entirely different direction' kind of way. This is the opposite of ugly and dated for me personally. Crazy as it is it all fits together and paints a masterpiece imo.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:01 (one month ago) link

i cannot wait to hear it but i'm also at a loss to describe what i even want from this band after the ark work

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:24 (one month ago) link

my answer to that admittedly pertinent question is simply 'more'

imago, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:38 (one month ago) link

The glitches are at once awful and so so perfect. They felt a bit gimmicky on Ark Work, and now they feel like an essential part of the style.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:43 (one month ago) link

lmao from the first track i love it

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:55 (one month ago) link

This one also benefits tremendously from being the correct length for a Liturgy album

Simon H., Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:19 (one month ago) link

as with the ark work i'm kinda loling through every song in a good way

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:21 (one month ago) link

This one also benefits tremendously from being the correct length for a Liturgy album

― Simon H., Wednesday, November 13, 2019 12:19 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:23 (one month ago) link

wonder if this album syncs up with end of evangelion

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:37 (one month ago) link

So glad they are still making music. Always seemed like the rest of the band was annoyed with Hunter in interviews and such but they always get back together and make these crazy great albums. id be fine if I never heard the term transcendental black metal ever again but I do love this. Also, Greg is a really good dude who just loves making music and art. New album rules. The first track and the title track are beyond excellent.

Brad otm, this feels equally of that show as The Inalienable Dreamless.

gman59, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 00:26 (one month ago) link

Greg is long gone!

imago, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 00:51 (one month ago) link

wow. I should have really looked that up. I thought he was still in the band. I take that part back

gman59, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 01:47 (one month ago) link

all of the riffs in "pasaqalia" make me think of emo a lot

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 03:12 (one month ago) link

I take it all back. Different bass player too. Damn. Didn't realize all of the personnel changes but the music is still great.

gman59, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 03:14 (one month ago) link

much as i love the ark work for being perversely intractable (until you adjust and figure out it’s very catchy), pretty sure this is the populist (as much as it ever could be) masterpiece that also stretches their music way out

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 03:31 (one month ago) link

Rereading the Transcendental Black Metal manifesto, it's still so so annoying - and kinda racist towards Norwegians - but it honestly makes a lot of sense and explains a lot of what goes into these last few albums. Took ten years, but he delivered on his thoughts, lol.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 12:29 (one month ago) link

Ok this is sounding much better with fresh ears

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 16:05 (one month ago) link

Love all the bell tones

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 16:07 (one month ago) link

lol this is bespoke lj fodder. Enjoying it so far.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 16:22 (one month ago) link

Also it helped to skip the first track, that one is just a lot. Every other track has some kind of unexpected element, or at least a break in the assault.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 16:28 (one month ago) link

Nah the first track is great too.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 16:31 (one month ago) link

First track is huge, kicks it all off proper.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 16:42 (one month ago) link

This record is fucking crazy

I think I love it

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 14 November 2019 22:16 (one month ago) link

Awww no physical release till the end of February.

Definitely AOTY material here, at least for me

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 14 November 2019 22:30 (one month ago) link

This record is zany as hell and probably their best, I'm on board. Dude's vocals are still terrible though, this should've been an instrumental record.

Siegbran, Thursday, 14 November 2019 23:23 (one month ago) link

Gargantuan record. One might mistake the operatic flirtations and overcautious 'building up to a climax' for a flaw, but it's done so charmingly, so damn coy, while at the same time being integrated in their sound so very well. The opening notes leading up to the disarming nue of Exaco III and the beginning of the title song, man... Sincerity overrides pretentiousness, again and again. A masterpiece.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 25 November 2019 19:12 (two weeks ago) link

^^ my blurb for the AOTY albums poll rollout lol

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 25 November 2019 19:12 (two weeks ago) link


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