I saw the preview a dozen times and felt like it gave the movie away
yeah the preview was horrible - totally made me NOT want to see it.
― Roberto Mussolini (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link
yea this is an incredible film. easily one of my favorites
― mark cl, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 17:19 (fifteen years ago) link
i forgot who said it upthread but someone said something about being in mortal fear of being shot in the face throughout the whole movie. i had a conversation about this film with my wife yesterday and we agreed that while we both really enjoyed it in the theatre but that there is something like a moral imperative to reject art that is based on the fear of being shot in the face.
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 17:57 (fifteen years ago) link
"based on" is sort of stretching it dont you think dude
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 17:58 (fifteen years ago) link
ya just because someone wussed out doesnt make this a moral issue imo
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link
not really, that sense of constant fear of being shot / blown up / betrayed / tortured is more or less what i took out of the theatre with me and the strength of that sense is what i figure to be the great accomplishment of the film.
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link
i mean the strength of that sensation is what makes this movie different from, say, soylent green.
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't really agree that the great accomplishment of this film is your visceral reaction to it.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link
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i hear this, don't completely agree with it, but certainly don't agree that its a moral imperative to oppose this impulse. i think there is a place for horror / shock / etc in art
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:09 (fifteen years ago) link
are you morally impelled to reject 1984? nightmare on elm street? gravediggaz? ariel dorfman?
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:10 (fifteen years ago) link
KAFKA??
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:12 (fifteen years ago) link
If Kafka wrote a run&gun movie, that would be three kinds of awesome.
K. is for KILLER!
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Gregor Samsa awoke one morning to find his arm had turned into a TEC9 with unlimited rounds...
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link
the thing about kafka is that present-day kafka would in all likelihood be doing this.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link
i doubt that kafka would be doing that but i think that is what keeps kafka from being as good a writer as, say, flaubert.
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:17 (fifteen years ago) link
what is?
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:17 (fifteen years ago) link
"Sarah Connor? C'est Moi!"
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:18 (fifteen years ago) link
I dunno how suited Flaubert would be for today, but I can almost guarantee he'd direct a better Terminator than this McG fellow.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:19 (fifteen years ago) link
sorry but i am one of those "spectrum of human experience" saddoes who demands a range of feeling in a movie
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link
this has a range of feeling!
like when SPOILER gets iced.
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link
are ppl even arguing about the same things here
― the call of the taint (HI DERE), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link
there is a range of feeling in cotm - there is a lot of melancholy, regret and humour in it besides the ultra-engaging set pieces
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link
keepin it eclectic
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link
xxp i don't think so but ilx isn't too exciting today.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:22 (fifteen years ago) link
and ya the build up to the "icing" in the car, the ping pong ball sequence, i mean stuff like that sets this movie apart from what you're describing
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:22 (fifteen years ago) link
it's a really short movie too, so extra points for that.
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link
the ending of the terminator is much more satisfying than the ending of a simple heart
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link
It's damn sure better than Bouvard et Pecuchet.
― The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe downbeat dystopian sci-fi is just not for you?
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:28 (fifteen years ago) link
"blade runner", "thx-1138" and every episode of "the outer limits" have more humanity than this one
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
bouvard et pechuchet is a sorely underrated classic
"thx-1138" has the best sex scene in all of modern cinema
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link
ha you're on crack re: "The Outer Limits"
xp: and now I will never see "THX-1138"
― the call of the taint (HI DERE), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link
i think that contention deserves its own thread
― Stop relegating Hull you miserable gits! (country matters), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:34 (fifteen years ago) link
you're telling me that blade runner, one of the most successful and critically acclaimed sci-fi films of all time, is superior to this movie? quit blowing my mind dude
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link
on the other hand, I don't see how blade runner has any more or less range of feeling than children of god, in fact I suspect the movie itself was directed by a replicant
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link
i saw it years ago but blade runner seemed really obtuse and boring. i suppose i owe it another look.
i do like thx a lot.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
no but seriously, like i said above, there are a lot of really well-done emotional beats in this movie - just because there's also some loud noises doesn't cancel them out
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
it sort of did for me, i guess we can call that wussing out?
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link
s1ocki i hear you too but that sounds sorta like the apologist defense of irreversible
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link
nah the apologist defence of that movie is that it rules
― Stop relegating Hull you miserable gits! (country matters), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
"the ending of the terminator is much more satisfying than the ending of a simple heart"
Don't they both die at the end?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link
that's one way of looking at it. another way is the parrot lives forever and so does the T-1000.
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
however, I didn't throw the TV across the room when I was finished watching the terminator
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I am picturing the parrot frozen and shot to pieces, then writhing in industrial lava.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I didn't like this movie. I don't really care for "visceral" action scenes and the treacle of the trailer is a pretty accurate represention of the sentiment of the movie. It kinda cruises along on anxiety/fear and a hushed awe for the miracle of human life. It's really not very radical in any way. Standard liberal humanism right? What's to get excited about.
― ryan, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link
you're thinking of a simple heart II
xpost
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link
I often find it amazing how a messageboard titled "I Love Everything" can find so many ways to make me want to hate everything.
― the call of the taint (HI DERE), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
It's really not very radical in any way.
who cares?
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I do!
― ryan, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link