hey gawker dudes. what the fuck is wrong with you?

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comic books and comic book movies should never be consumed by anyone over the age of 14

― pro stroke Johnny Gill songs would rub you the right way (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, February 20, 2015 7:50 AM (5 hours ago)

i hope you are consistently making this argument on all the relevant ilx threads, sugar

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:06 (four years ago) link

i see people get all excited about these movies and then I see this woman is describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner

not to be trenchant or anything but everyone lies in obits it's the american way. *thanks obama for gawker*

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:11 (four years ago) link

i mean gawker dudes, thanks dudes

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:14 (four years ago) link

i see people get all excited about these movies and then I see this woman is describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner

― pro stroke Johnny Gill songs would rub you the right way (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, February 20, 2015 1:08 PM (6 minutes ago)

you don't get boners?

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:16 (four years ago) link

Whiney gets a boner every time he gets the opportunity to neg on pop culture he doesn't approve of.

Oh, Delicious! (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:20 (four years ago) link

how exciting

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:21 (four years ago) link

i can't help but be a little curious why a small business owner in the midwest is outraged about an obit published by a young hip but increasingly conservative new media outlet about a sad comedy ca druggy with a tumblr book deal in which there is what seems like a minor concession to past beef. small world i guess?

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:22 (four years ago) link

Mumble! Sigh! Sob! Comics aren't just for adults anymore!

Sorry, couldn't think of better sound effects for stereotypical alt commix.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 20 February 2015 21:24 (four years ago) link

don't care about this controversy but can't wait to make good use of this thread in the future

Mordy, Friday, 20 February 2015 21:25 (four years ago) link

just what we need -- another cis-het white man talking about the hulk's boner

mookieproof, Friday, 20 February 2015 21:28 (four years ago) link

*tumbls furiously*

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:29 (four years ago) link

comic books and comic book movies should never be consumed by anyone over the age of 14

― pro stroke Johnny Gill songs would rub you the right way (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, February 20, 2015 7:50 AM (5 hours ago)

what about Kevin Smith movies

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:30 (four years ago) link

Hey hip-hop nerds. What kind-of hip-hop is this?

markers, Friday, 20 February 2015 21:31 (four years ago) link

will do

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:34 (four years ago) link

don't you live in greenpoint where's it's like 90% polish people and upwardly mobile white twentysomethings pretending to be broke? who are you scared of there?

― imo phillips (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are you scared of getting a seitan taco from the taco truck?

― imo phillips (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:35 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

best thread ever

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:37 (four years ago) link

"grim reapah!" burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb never fails to brighten my day

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:38 (four years ago) link

pretty cool to have a site mod willing to go that extra mile and call users out not just on their ilx behavior but also on how well they're doing their actual jobs

iatee, Friday, 20 February 2015 21:59 (four years ago) link

jjjusten is cooler than anyone who works for gawker

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 20 February 2015 22:06 (four years ago) link

it's a real violation of privacy for mods to be digging around our personal websites

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 20 February 2015 22:08 (four years ago) link

ew gawker's pervasive grossness makes their regular bursts of sanctimony feel particularly disingenuous

Mordy, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:17 (four years ago) link

Not all hashtags are cool with Gawker. The media company wants a single general tweet about the lawsuit and if a hashtag is to be used, Gawker wants it to be #gawkerinternlawsuit. As for the no-go's, Gawker's lawyer Mark Batten writes, "The hashtags #fairpay and #livingwage are inflammatory, and the Court’s approval of those would suggest that the Court has a view about the merits of this lawsuit. And the use of #nickdenton is also inappropriate; Mr. Denton is not identified with this case, and his personal conduct is not at issue in the matter."

woooowwwwwwwwww

slothroprhymes, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:20 (four years ago) link

#gawkerinternlawsuit #fairpay #livingwage #nickdenton

mh, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:20 (four years ago) link

Gawker wants the plaintiffs to be careful on Reddit, not connecting this lawsuit with "unrelated controversies and political causes." Denton's company gives some examples. The plaintiffs shouldn't attempt to leverage the GamerGate controversy by posting in the subreddit "KotakuInAction," which Gawker says has expanded into general criticism of its gaming site. "Plaintiffs apparently would like notice of the lawsuit to be added to this 'munitions pile,' but there is no justification for doing so," states Gawker's letter. "The same is true of Plaintiffs’ request to post information about this lawsuit in the 'OccupyWallStreet,' 'LostGeneration,' and 'Progressive' subreddits."

Mordy, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:20 (four years ago) link

tbf I understand them asking plaintiffs not to further sic the dogs of gamergate on them

mh, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:21 (four years ago) link

or the dogs of the 'progressive' subreddit?

Mordy, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:22 (four years ago) link

xps to mordy's sanctimony comment: exactly, they produce good work sometimes, but the idea that they are arbiters of ethics/morality/etc. is hysterical. (the same is true of denton's sworn enemy vice, this isn't just a gawker problem)

tbh if they were honest they'd just bring back shit like gawker stalker and own the sleaze but that'll prob never happen

slothroprhymes, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:23 (four years ago) link

tbf to vice they are pretty nihilistic (i feel defensive for them bc a lot of their foreign coverage has been really engaging over the last couple years)

Mordy, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:25 (four years ago) link

we get the media outlets we deserve, unfortunately

mh, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:27 (four years ago) link

xp the vice HBO series is great - the chiraq and north korea episodes from season 1 stand out in particular

slothroprhymes, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:28 (four years ago) link

gawker manages to be awfully sleazy without gawker stalker

max, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:32 (four years ago) link

i don't really get the complaint of being "sanctimonious." should journalists not call out people on sleazy shit if their employers do the same shit? i weakly prefer the sanctimoniousness of gawker to the seedy relativism of vice

flopson, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:50 (four years ago) link

idk i don't feel like journalism should be about call-outs, that's more like arnold diaz "shame shame shame" journalism.

Mordy, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:51 (four years ago) link

theres also the question of the extent to which journalists or commentators shd be held accountable for the corporate sins of their employers........

max, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:59 (four years ago) link

obv if someone is doing exemplary work, even for an otherwise odious media org, i'll read + appreciate them

Mordy, Friday, 20 February 2015 23:00 (four years ago) link

generous of you

max, Friday, 20 February 2015 23:08 (four years ago) link

i love to give back

Mordy, Friday, 20 February 2015 23:09 (four years ago) link

wow i can really feel the love rn

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Friday, 20 February 2015 23:11 (four years ago) link

more 4u mordy

http://sambiddle.kinja.com

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 20 February 2015 23:29 (four years ago) link

Looks like my classic grim reapah thread will never die. I was young, stupid, and drugged out of my mind when I wrote that thing - whaddayawantfromme.

CoolRadio, Saturday, 21 February 2015 00:31 (four years ago) link

so youre saying burt stanton was your drugged out alter ego

johnny crunch, Saturday, 21 February 2015 00:36 (four years ago) link

It was me on drugs making an ass out of myself. I just wanted to make people laugh, even if it was at my own expense.

CoolRadio, Saturday, 21 February 2015 00:38 (four years ago) link

a thing of beauty is a joy forever

kriss akabusi cleaner (seandalai), Saturday, 21 February 2015 00:41 (four years ago) link

welcome back burt

johnny crunch, Saturday, 21 February 2015 00:49 (four years ago) link

we get the media outlets we deserve, unfortunately

― mh, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:27 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dunno, think i deserve better i'm a pretty cool guy

A MOOC, what's a MOOC? (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 21 February 2015 00:57 (four years ago) link

xp Thanks, crunch. This feels really weird because I'm nothing like burt_stanton these days, so I really don't know what I'm doing here now. hipsters. trust funds. druggy surrealism. my gigantic dick that breaks tables when i slap it down on them (I was actually hired for a couple of months in a recycling facility). Guess you can't outrun consequences. Whelp, looks like I'll be taking my leave then.

CoolRadio, Saturday, 21 February 2015 01:03 (four years ago) link

rip

mookieproof, Saturday, 21 February 2015 01:05 (four years ago) link

the grim reaper got him in the end

kriss akabusi cleaner (seandalai), Saturday, 21 February 2015 01:06 (four years ago) link

Pareene seems to actively tease the components apart?

And even worse things have survived. Much as there is a parallel right-wing media that’s insulated from market forces by the ideological mission of its wealthy funders, there is another media that superficially resembles the endangered rude media, but effectively pursues the opposite agenda. It is the anti-P.C. media, where the audience’s vicarious thrill comes not from watching scrappy underdogs heckle their supposed betters, but from watching guys sitting comfortably atop social hierarchies belittle and dominate their lessers. The difference between a rude press and an anti-P.C. press is in each enterprise’s respective relationship to power. The anti-P.C. press certainly delights in titillating its audience, but it always, unfailingly, endorses a completely servile relationship to authority. The very idea of standing up to your boss is described as childish; the mature thing to do is accept domination and even abuse, unless and until you yourself manage to accrue some power over others.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 8 November 2019 02:27 (one month ago) link

seems pretty 'bootlickers/civility police'

mookieproof, Friday, 8 November 2019 02:31 (one month ago) link

i'd prefer 'fearlessness' to 'rudeness'

mookieproof, Friday, 8 November 2019 02:39 (one month ago) link

the whole section seems hastily tacked on to address the obvious counterargument that barstool, 8chan, donald trump, etc. are also known for being rude, but it doesn't explain how the likes of Mencken, who... does not have a particularly great or consistent record on relationships to power, or groups lower in the social hierarchy, and Vice, the incubator of Gavin McInnes and others like him, wouldn't fall into the non-"anti-PC" category. so why include them at all? those are just the obvious examples, but earlier the article mentions rolling stone with an aside about how wenner's friends were exempt from its rudeness -- how exactly does that square with "skepticism about power"?

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 8 November 2019 02:39 (one month ago) link

s/triple negative/something that isn't a triple negative, you know what I mean

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 8 November 2019 02:40 (one month ago) link

that's reasonable! i think it leads us into a punching up/down thing which pareene should have better addressed

mookieproof, Friday, 8 November 2019 02:45 (one month ago) link

He never says rudeness means inherently good/on the right side - but the existence of those publications gave a place to people who were good/on the right side but weren't going to have a voice at anything that had some kind of establishment credit. The dismantling of that means you're still going to get offensive media but not critical media.

Rolling Stone certainly published a great deal critical of those in power throughout the '70s and '80s. I never saw a Vice magazine in print, so I only know them from making fun of gentrifying creeps via Dos and Don'ts but yes they seem mostly terrible.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 8 November 2019 02:48 (one month ago) link

Annnnd...

Our statement on the recent lawsuits involving G/O Media CEO Jim Spanfeller. pic.twitter.com/ZiuhXunUKS

— GMG Union (@gmgunion) November 8, 2019

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 November 2019 19:28 (one month ago) link

When pressed about diversity during a town hall meeting in April, Spanfeller allegedly said, “Haven’t thought about it, but I hear you guys. Obviously, diversity is important, I get it.”

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/zmj9ve/lawsuits-go-media-ceo-jim-spanfeller-fostered-hostile-work-environment-for-women

mookieproof, Friday, 8 November 2019 20:56 (one month ago) link

this thread put it better than I did, probably:

i think there has to be a way we can mourn the eroding of "rude press" that interrogates power, while also remembering that the people in power at those bastions of bravado and rudeness were often men who let stuff like eric sundermann and other shitty media men run unchecked

— jgz (@jennygzhang) November 8, 2019

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 8 November 2019 22:20 (one month ago) link

specifically the "maybe the only difference now is that only the top dogs are allowed to be shitty to their subordinates" part

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 8 November 2019 22:20 (one month ago) link

Someone linked to this David Roth interview on the politics thread, but I thought this was an important point about Spanfeller's intentions:

I don’t even think he’s a Republican. I think he’s like an As the father of daughters… type Dem. Initially when we were trying to see if we could still figure this shit out… We thought that they were mad about the Trump stories like getting booed at the World Series. Dan McQuade did a blog that night with the video and a few paragraphs and it did like 750,00 uniques. It was fine, it was perfectly amusing, it didn’t have any editorializing in it. Then I wrote the next day, it had a lot of editorializing, but I made sure to get World Series in the headline. They were like both of those are fine, it’s not a Trump thing. He doesn’t like Trump. The stuff that made him mad were silly posts. I think the idea was if you want us to sell this to advertisers they want to know they can go look at the front page of the site and they’d understand it and get why it’s sports.

Even Barry Petschesky's NYT op-ed took this righteous, high-minded "Sports is about more than just the game" angle, and I'm not sure that Spanfeller and Maidment actually objected to that? They just didn't get the idea that the site had a ~personality~ that was a huge basis for the audience it attracted.

jaymc, Friday, 15 November 2019 16:03 (three weeks ago) link

More:

I think some of it too was the types of sites that he wants, and the extent I’m able to figure out any business justification for what he did is this: It’s that he is not a reader. He doesn’t have a very advanced idea of why people would read websites. What he’s trying to do is get these mushy, normal, middle websites. And you’re allowed to write them as well as you want. He’s not mad if you do a good job on a blog post. But he doesn’t care if you do a good one either. You just have to stick within that. He’s trying to sell this stuff to advertisers that he imagines that are even more conservative than him. So with politics I guess a Splinter headline that’s really sharp-edged or any of the stuff that he would actually see, because I really don’t think he read any stories on any sites -- if he saw that he was like you’re fucking it up because the people I’m trying to sell ads to are like banks or insurance companies. If you have a post that’s like health insurance is a fucking racket and it should be Medicare for All immediately, then in his mind, and this is the closest I can come to figuring it out, he’s like well how am I going to sell that to Etna?

jaymc, Friday, 15 November 2019 16:09 (three weeks ago) link

i think that any venture capital owner who doesn't get the spirit or purpose of a thing they own (which is to say all of them) is perfectly capable of literally meaning they want the writers to stick to sports, literally.

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:11 (three weeks ago) link

I guess that's true, but I feel like the perspective it's coming from is this dumb, weak "Let's just make this easier for all of us."

jaymc, Friday, 15 November 2019 16:15 (three weeks ago) link

i get what yr getting at but he has a bunch of ideas in there re: management that make me think he's working thru it still/is still too close to it.

there's the "make life easier by not doing dorky posts about cats,"

there's the literal "stick to sports you chuds,"

there's "stick to sports so we can monetize you for the algorithm better you chuds"

there's the "BECAUSE I SAID SO" angle that Greenwell showed in her exit piece & everyone else kinds of hints at

there's the fact that they are big stupid venture capital shitlords who never deserve the benefit of the doubt

If I wan't invested in GMG or the people who write for it I would always assume some combination of the last three, probably in reverse order, before i assumed there was any grey area in "stick to sports"

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:30 (three weeks ago) link

the intersection of sports and culture at large was 100% their brand. Deadspin didn't really care much about the actual analysis of sports, like why is this particular offensive formation suddenly very popular or how does this college prospect's game translate to the pro level. The Ringer and ESPN among others are much better at that. but every day basically there's some sports story that crosses over into larger issues of race, gender, class, etc. and that was Deadspin's bread and butter. I would've loved to see what they had to say about the response to the Myles Garrett-Mason Rudolph brawl last night, for instance.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:48 (three weeks ago) link


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