hey gawker dudes. what the fuck is wrong with you?

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gawker media, jjjusten wants a word with you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64sy-053698

how's life, Friday, 20 February 2015 09:45 (four years ago) link

reading this thread i thought it was going to be like, one of those embedded links with an image. that would have been pretty hilarious/fucked up. but a hyperlink in the text? meh

flopson, Friday, 20 February 2015 15:17 (four years ago) link

if you include the link you're shameless. if you don't you're whitewashing your record. kind of a no win situation

It isn’t white washing if it’s a minor story. And it was an extremely minor story.

Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 20 February 2015 15:42 (four years ago) link

the new cool kid ILX crew lol

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 20 February 2015 15:46 (four years ago) link

new cool kid ILX crew needs to be doing more to prevent plushie-fucking garbage like this imo

http://io9.com/10-superheroes-who-can-never-have-sex-5015295

The first two grafs of the Hulk item are a good an argument as any that comic books and comic book movies should never be consumed by anyone over the age of 14

it would have been really disingenuous to write about his death but pretend like we have no history with him

J0rdan S., Friday, 20 February 2015 15:51 (four years ago) link

new cool kid ILX crew needs to be doing more to prevent plushie-fucking garbage like this imo

sure we'll do this right after you storm into will dana's office and put your foot down over the new U2 album getting 5 stars

J0rdan S., Friday, 20 February 2015 15:54 (four years ago) link

agree that it was such a minor story that it'd of been fine and a scosh classier to not include it

johnny crunch, Friday, 20 February 2015 15:55 (four years ago) link

lol @ plushie-fucking garbage

example (crüt), Friday, 20 February 2015 18:48 (four years ago) link

In the future all celeb obits will include a disclosure about the writer being blocked on Twitter by the deceased

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 20 February 2015 19:06 (four years ago) link

i still dont REALLY get this complaint but im glad you posted about it here and on facebook

frankly it would be really weird and shady to pretend we (or really a couple ex employees) had never gotten in a stupid fight with this guy? its not that the story is or is not newsworthy its that we were directly involved as an institution. better to err on the side of transparency

and even then i guess i dont quite get it. are obits supposed to be safe spaces?

max, Friday, 20 February 2015 19:36 (four years ago) link

are obits supposed to be safe spaces?

yes

contenderizer, Friday, 20 February 2015 19:37 (four years ago) link

it's called 'decorum' usually

j., Friday, 20 February 2015 19:42 (four years ago) link

It's bad form to call out or air the dirty laundry of someone who is no longer around to defend him/herself. And I'm sure it's pretty much the last thing anyone who cares about that person wants to read about when they're grieving.

Oh, Delicious! (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 February 2015 19:44 (four years ago) link

I mean, write an article or a book or whatever after some time has passed and tell the world how much of a d-bag the person was if you need to, but slipping funeral atendees pictures of the deceased with his mistress just makes you look like a ghoul.

Oh, Delicious! (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 February 2015 19:47 (four years ago) link

When Norm McDonald dies does Rolling Stone have to print that he tweeted a critique of their Best SNL cast list?

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 20 February 2015 19:47 (four years ago) link

i don't think mentioning gawker's history with the guy is nec. a bad thing but the way it's inserted into the article is really weird to me, like it's vague enough to invite you to click on it, had it been prefaced with something like "we should note in the interest of transparency that we engaged in an angry blah blah blah...." i would understand more

call all destroyer, Friday, 20 February 2015 19:47 (four years ago) link

i still dont REALLY get this complaint but im glad you posted about it here and on facebook

Maybe Gawker can run an article about it and link back to it when we die

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 20 February 2015 19:54 (four years ago) link

take it to kinja

mookieproof, Friday, 20 February 2015 19:57 (four years ago) link

xp: lololol

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Friday, 20 February 2015 19:59 (four years ago) link

"Media is just a word that has come to mean bad journalism." - Graham Greene

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 February 2015 19:59 (four years ago) link

^^ GG firing shots at gawker over ethics in journalism

example (crüt), Friday, 20 February 2015 20:01 (four years ago) link

lolololx2

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Friday, 20 February 2015 20:02 (four years ago) link

clearly the gawker keepin' it negative dickhole cool kid crew should run ILX

flopson, Friday, 20 February 2015 20:36 (four years ago) link

clearly they should

― carne asada, Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:38 PM (6 years ago)

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 20 February 2015 20:43 (four years ago) link

i think it's sad that ppl think gawker is cool -- like the ppl who write for it seem like a mix of college student newspaper dorks that felt they were "edgier" than their peers but not extroverted enough to be sketch comedy dweebs

― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, February 20, 2015 4:01 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think gawker is cool. i guess i buy into their self-image of bravely flaunting politesse standards of establishment journalism, and the writers not caring who they piss off definitely makes for interesting reading. disrespecting the death of some random tv producer i've never heard of doesn't necessarily quality as "brave," but idk it's hard to care either way. i like how the nothing gets the gloves off on ilx like obits

flopson, Friday, 20 February 2015 20:52 (four years ago) link

We are clearly in need of higher standards for reading.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 20 February 2015 20:55 (four years ago) link

comic books and comic book movies should never be consumed by anyone over the age of 14

― pro stroke Johnny Gill songs would rub you the right way (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, February 20, 2015 7:50 AM (5 hours ago)

i hope you are consistently making this argument on all the relevant ilx threads, sugar

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:06 (four years ago) link

i see people get all excited about these movies and then I see this woman is describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner

not to be trenchant or anything but everyone lies in obits it's the american way. *thanks obama for gawker*

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:11 (four years ago) link

i mean gawker dudes, thanks dudes

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:14 (four years ago) link

i see people get all excited about these movies and then I see this woman is describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner

― pro stroke Johnny Gill songs would rub you the right way (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, February 20, 2015 1:08 PM (6 minutes ago)

you don't get boners?

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:16 (four years ago) link

Whiney gets a boner every time he gets the opportunity to neg on pop culture he doesn't approve of.

Oh, Delicious! (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:20 (four years ago) link

how exciting

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:21 (four years ago) link

i can't help but be a little curious why a small business owner in the midwest is outraged about an obit published by a young hip but increasingly conservative new media outlet about a sad comedy ca druggy with a tumblr book deal in which there is what seems like a minor concession to past beef. small world i guess?

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:22 (four years ago) link

Mumble! Sigh! Sob! Comics aren't just for adults anymore!

Sorry, couldn't think of better sound effects for stereotypical alt commix.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 20 February 2015 21:24 (four years ago) link

don't care about this controversy but can't wait to make good use of this thread in the future

Mordy, Friday, 20 February 2015 21:25 (four years ago) link

just what we need -- another cis-het white man talking about the hulk's boner

mookieproof, Friday, 20 February 2015 21:28 (four years ago) link

*tumbls furiously*

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:29 (four years ago) link

comic books and comic book movies should never be consumed by anyone over the age of 14

― pro stroke Johnny Gill songs would rub you the right way (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, February 20, 2015 7:50 AM (5 hours ago)

what about Kevin Smith movies

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:30 (four years ago) link

Hey hip-hop nerds. What kind-of hip-hop is this?

markers, Friday, 20 February 2015 21:31 (four years ago) link

will do

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:34 (four years ago) link

don't you live in greenpoint where's it's like 90% polish people and upwardly mobile white twentysomethings pretending to be broke? who are you scared of there?

― imo phillips (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are you scared of getting a seitan taco from the taco truck?

― imo phillips (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:35 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

best thread ever

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:37 (four years ago) link

"grim reapah!" burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb never fails to brighten my day

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 20 February 2015 21:38 (four years ago) link

pretty cool to have a site mod willing to go that extra mile and call users out not just on their ilx behavior but also on how well they're doing their actual jobs

iatee, Friday, 20 February 2015 21:59 (four years ago) link

jjjusten is cooler than anyone who works for gawker

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 20 February 2015 22:06 (four years ago) link

it's a real violation of privacy for mods to be digging around our personal websites

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 20 February 2015 22:08 (four years ago) link

ew gawker's pervasive grossness makes their regular bursts of sanctimony feel particularly disingenuous

Mordy, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:17 (four years ago) link

Not all hashtags are cool with Gawker. The media company wants a single general tweet about the lawsuit and if a hashtag is to be used, Gawker wants it to be #gawkerinternlawsuit. As for the no-go's, Gawker's lawyer Mark Batten writes, "The hashtags #fairpay and #livingwage are inflammatory, and the Court’s approval of those would suggest that the Court has a view about the merits of this lawsuit. And the use of #nickdenton is also inappropriate; Mr. Denton is not identified with this case, and his personal conduct is not at issue in the matter."

woooowwwwwwwwww

slothroprhymes, Friday, 20 February 2015 22:20 (four years ago) link

He had apparently been writing the zombie-like recent content lol

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:15 (one month ago) link

omg

jaymc, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:18 (one month ago) link

you can tell, that “dead inside” voice is in his email too

maura, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:19 (one month ago) link

Isn’t forbes the OG legacy media company to be transformed into a soulless content farm?

― treeship., Monday, November 4, 2019 3:29 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Btw, when I worked at Br1t@nn1ca, we had a CEO who would constantly cite Forbes as a model for digital-media reinvention. I always thought it just revealed the narrowness of his interests as an MBA.

jaymc, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:24 (one month ago) link

why do these ghouls who take over legacy enterprises never want to do anything that respects the fucking legacy

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:27 (one month ago) link

it's always hidebound small thinkers used to the fat days who don't see the opportunities they're sitting on, replaced by bloodsucking voids who can't think of anything to do but make everything into AOL

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:28 (one month ago) link

can’t believe deadspin’s whole staff resigned three times in a week

lol yes

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:47 (one month ago) link

HR up to their necks in exit interviews.

brownie, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 18:01 (one month ago) link

He had apparently been writing the zombie-like recent content lol

― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, November 5, 2019 12:15 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

seriously?

treeship., Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:24 (one month ago) link

People on my FB feed are still constantly reposting "content" from zombie "Newsweek" when it flatters their politics

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:37 (one month ago) link

Proponents of the content farms claim that from a business perspective, traditional journalism is inefficient.[1] Content farms often commission their writers' work based on analysis of search engine queries[1] that proponents represent as "true market demand", a feature that traditional journalism purportedly lacks.[1]

treeship., Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:47 (one month ago) link

seriously?

scroll up three days

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 20:08 (one month ago) link

i read that he was reposting old content without acknowledgment. i didn't know he was personally writing articles like this:

https://deadspin.com/springboks-kill-lions-1839563281

treeship., Tuesday, 5 November 2019 20:15 (one month ago) link

why do these ghouls who take over legacy enterprises never want to do anything that respects the fucking legacy

because they are attempting to strip-mine the enterprise and sell it

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 21:52 (one month ago) link

seems like an unpleasant line of work

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 21:57 (one month ago) link

they find the six-seven figure salaries pleasant

kanye kendrick frank kendrick frank kanye (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 22:03 (one month ago) link

they might also find a bit of pleasure in the act of desecration. maybe that’s what gives private equity its libidinal charge.

treeship., Tuesday, 5 November 2019 22:17 (one month ago) link

the sports car with an elevator to stow it in your garage above your other sports car probably is enough

saw this on a photo of mitt romney’s garage

mh, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 01:14 (one month ago) link

xp

The truth is that sexuality is everywhere: the way a bureaucrat fondles his records, a judge administers justice, a businessman causes money to circulate; the way the bourgeoisie fucks the proletariat; and so on. And there is no need to resort to metaphors, any more than for the libido to go by way of metamorphoses. Hitler got the fascists sexually aroused. Flags, nations, armies, banks get a lot of people aroused. A revolutionary machine is nothing if it does not acquire at least as much force as these coercive machines have for producing breaks and mobilizing flows. It is not through a desexualizing extension that the libido invests the large aggregates.

j., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 02:35 (one month ago) link

https://twitter.com/UnDeadspin

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 19:36 (one month ago) link

prefacing this by saying that the vulturing of journalism and media by private equity is bad.

that said, pieces like the new republic one above never sit right with me. in most pieces that make this argument -- and there are quite a lot of them -- a lot of things are conflated under the same category, in this case "rudeness." some of those things are actively good, like investigative journalism, challenging the powerful, etc.; some of which are neutral, like saying the word "fuck"; some of which are just unpleasantness without any particular moral imperative, not punching up so much as punching everything in punch radius; and some of which are actively bad, like toxic work environments, harassment (I'd say it's bad timing for this to run on literally the same day as an expose on the years-long sexual misconduct coverups of one of the rude media outlets mentioned therein, if that weren't, like, the fifteenth such expose of it), and other things that bring about the opposite of "a more just world. there's a flailing attempt in the last third to make a distinction between good rudeness and bad, supposedly in its relationship to power and privilege; but if your "endangered rude media" includes h. l. mencken and vice, maybe it's not all that distinct from the "anti-PC media" after all.

and then the whole thing is held up as an all-or-nothing binary, with a correct side: us vs. them, snark vs. smarm, "endangered rude media" vs. "bootlickers and civility police." any attempt to tease the components apart again puts you on Team Fuck You.

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 8 November 2019 02:10 (four weeks ago) link

which components need to be teased apart?

mookieproof, Friday, 8 November 2019 02:16 (four weeks ago) link

The truth is that sexuality is everywhere: the way a bureaucrat fondles his records, a judge administers justice... and so on

This apologia was singularly unconvincing to me. Its premise is asserted in several ways that attempt to be clever and even a bit dazzling, but its argument, when closely examined, is overwrought, superficial and weak. iow, it's a load of crap and also very bad writing.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 8 November 2019 02:19 (four weeks ago) link

Pareene seems to actively tease the components apart?

And even worse things have survived. Much as there is a parallel right-wing media that’s insulated from market forces by the ideological mission of its wealthy funders, there is another media that superficially resembles the endangered rude media, but effectively pursues the opposite agenda. It is the anti-P.C. media, where the audience’s vicarious thrill comes not from watching scrappy underdogs heckle their supposed betters, but from watching guys sitting comfortably atop social hierarchies belittle and dominate their lessers. The difference between a rude press and an anti-P.C. press is in each enterprise’s respective relationship to power. The anti-P.C. press certainly delights in titillating its audience, but it always, unfailingly, endorses a completely servile relationship to authority. The very idea of standing up to your boss is described as childish; the mature thing to do is accept domination and even abuse, unless and until you yourself manage to accrue some power over others.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 8 November 2019 02:27 (four weeks ago) link

seems pretty 'bootlickers/civility police'

mookieproof, Friday, 8 November 2019 02:31 (four weeks ago) link

i'd prefer 'fearlessness' to 'rudeness'

mookieproof, Friday, 8 November 2019 02:39 (four weeks ago) link

the whole section seems hastily tacked on to address the obvious counterargument that barstool, 8chan, donald trump, etc. are also known for being rude, but it doesn't explain how the likes of Mencken, who... does not have a particularly great or consistent record on relationships to power, or groups lower in the social hierarchy, and Vice, the incubator of Gavin McInnes and others like him, wouldn't fall into the non-"anti-PC" category. so why include them at all? those are just the obvious examples, but earlier the article mentions rolling stone with an aside about how wenner's friends were exempt from its rudeness -- how exactly does that square with "skepticism about power"?

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 8 November 2019 02:39 (four weeks ago) link

s/triple negative/something that isn't a triple negative, you know what I mean

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 8 November 2019 02:40 (four weeks ago) link

that's reasonable! i think it leads us into a punching up/down thing which pareene should have better addressed

mookieproof, Friday, 8 November 2019 02:45 (four weeks ago) link

He never says rudeness means inherently good/on the right side - but the existence of those publications gave a place to people who were good/on the right side but weren't going to have a voice at anything that had some kind of establishment credit. The dismantling of that means you're still going to get offensive media but not critical media.

Rolling Stone certainly published a great deal critical of those in power throughout the '70s and '80s. I never saw a Vice magazine in print, so I only know them from making fun of gentrifying creeps via Dos and Don'ts but yes they seem mostly terrible.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 8 November 2019 02:48 (four weeks ago) link

Annnnd...

Our statement on the recent lawsuits involving G/O Media CEO Jim Spanfeller. pic.twitter.com/ZiuhXunUKS

— GMG Union (@gmgunion) November 8, 2019

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 November 2019 19:28 (four weeks ago) link

When pressed about diversity during a town hall meeting in April, Spanfeller allegedly said, “Haven’t thought about it, but I hear you guys. Obviously, diversity is important, I get it.”

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/zmj9ve/lawsuits-go-media-ceo-jim-spanfeller-fostered-hostile-work-environment-for-women

mookieproof, Friday, 8 November 2019 20:56 (four weeks ago) link

this thread put it better than I did, probably:

i think there has to be a way we can mourn the eroding of "rude press" that interrogates power, while also remembering that the people in power at those bastions of bravado and rudeness were often men who let stuff like eric sundermann and other shitty media men run unchecked

— jgz (@jennygzhang) November 8, 2019

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 8 November 2019 22:20 (four weeks ago) link

specifically the "maybe the only difference now is that only the top dogs are allowed to be shitty to their subordinates" part

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 8 November 2019 22:20 (four weeks ago) link

Someone linked to this David Roth interview on the politics thread, but I thought this was an important point about Spanfeller's intentions:

I don’t even think he’s a Republican. I think he’s like an As the father of daughters… type Dem. Initially when we were trying to see if we could still figure this shit out… We thought that they were mad about the Trump stories like getting booed at the World Series. Dan McQuade did a blog that night with the video and a few paragraphs and it did like 750,00 uniques. It was fine, it was perfectly amusing, it didn’t have any editorializing in it. Then I wrote the next day, it had a lot of editorializing, but I made sure to get World Series in the headline. They were like both of those are fine, it’s not a Trump thing. He doesn’t like Trump. The stuff that made him mad were silly posts. I think the idea was if you want us to sell this to advertisers they want to know they can go look at the front page of the site and they’d understand it and get why it’s sports.

Even Barry Petschesky's NYT op-ed took this righteous, high-minded "Sports is about more than just the game" angle, and I'm not sure that Spanfeller and Maidment actually objected to that? They just didn't get the idea that the site had a ~personality~ that was a huge basis for the audience it attracted.

jaymc, Friday, 15 November 2019 16:03 (three weeks ago) link

More:

I think some of it too was the types of sites that he wants, and the extent I’m able to figure out any business justification for what he did is this: It’s that he is not a reader. He doesn’t have a very advanced idea of why people would read websites. What he’s trying to do is get these mushy, normal, middle websites. And you’re allowed to write them as well as you want. He’s not mad if you do a good job on a blog post. But he doesn’t care if you do a good one either. You just have to stick within that. He’s trying to sell this stuff to advertisers that he imagines that are even more conservative than him. So with politics I guess a Splinter headline that’s really sharp-edged or any of the stuff that he would actually see, because I really don’t think he read any stories on any sites -- if he saw that he was like you’re fucking it up because the people I’m trying to sell ads to are like banks or insurance companies. If you have a post that’s like health insurance is a fucking racket and it should be Medicare for All immediately, then in his mind, and this is the closest I can come to figuring it out, he’s like well how am I going to sell that to Etna?

jaymc, Friday, 15 November 2019 16:09 (three weeks ago) link

i think that any venture capital owner who doesn't get the spirit or purpose of a thing they own (which is to say all of them) is perfectly capable of literally meaning they want the writers to stick to sports, literally.

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:11 (three weeks ago) link

I guess that's true, but I feel like the perspective it's coming from is this dumb, weak "Let's just make this easier for all of us."

jaymc, Friday, 15 November 2019 16:15 (three weeks ago) link

i get what yr getting at but he has a bunch of ideas in there re: management that make me think he's working thru it still/is still too close to it.

there's the "make life easier by not doing dorky posts about cats,"

there's the literal "stick to sports you chuds,"

there's "stick to sports so we can monetize you for the algorithm better you chuds"

there's the "BECAUSE I SAID SO" angle that Greenwell showed in her exit piece & everyone else kinds of hints at

there's the fact that they are big stupid venture capital shitlords who never deserve the benefit of the doubt

If I wan't invested in GMG or the people who write for it I would always assume some combination of the last three, probably in reverse order, before i assumed there was any grey area in "stick to sports"

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:30 (three weeks ago) link

the intersection of sports and culture at large was 100% their brand. Deadspin didn't really care much about the actual analysis of sports, like why is this particular offensive formation suddenly very popular or how does this college prospect's game translate to the pro level. The Ringer and ESPN among others are much better at that. but every day basically there's some sports story that crosses over into larger issues of race, gender, class, etc. and that was Deadspin's bread and butter. I would've loved to see what they had to say about the response to the Myles Garrett-Mason Rudolph brawl last night, for instance.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:48 (three weeks ago) link


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