hes a very good defender tho obvs currently overrated on that end, as he is just generally, this is what happens to role players on great teams, i watched paul milsap who is better than him btw own the hell out of him about a week ago, and milsap doesnt even have good size which is drays biggest weakness
― lag∞n, Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:59 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
when considering his D keep in mind that the warriors are a generally very good defensive team who in fact lead the league last year in that category while starting david lee
― lag∞n, Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:01 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i mean the overrating of role players on great teams is definitely a real phenomenon historically but at least theoretically the advantage of real plus minus is that it controls for quality of teammates, which is something old lineup stats like offensive rating didn't do which led to guys like tiago splitter leading the league in offense and david west being one of the best defensive players according to their system, when in fact these guys were just helped by playing with a bunch of killer lineups. with the new one that's supposed to be less of an issue tho multicollinearity i guess can't be ruled out as an explanation
― sae nnwurd - throw sum mo ka (k3vin k.), Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link
imo defensive stats or just nba stats in general have to be contextualized, like how does the player fit into the scheme, if someone has great defensive stats and is single handedly protecting the rim with an inferior support cast ala orlando dwight then fine, or like prime lebron capable of shutting down derick rose at will
the warriors scheme seem particularly teamy, they start a bunch of long quick mid sized guys and switch like crazy, ive watched them a bunch and from what ive seen drays game looks much more competent than it does dominant defensively, hes not out there shutting people down or snuffing out plays single handedly or making up for teammates weaknesses, he moving his feet making the right rotations keeping his hands up and just playing very solid
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link
like i dont think if you put him on a very weak defensive team he wld make too much differnce
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
basically he shd just stay on the warriors forever and grow rich
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
like hes shooting 33% from three this year which is preeety borderline (while taking 4 a game lol too many!), you can live with it from yr fifth option pf tho, but what wld he be shooting from there if he didnt have steph and clay drawing all the defenders
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
you guys I was being sarcastic about dreymond in that post lol
my actual feeling is probably monta deserves it over dirk but I am past the point of caring now that there's 40 all stars
― Clay, Thursday, 12 February 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link
literally glowering at this post
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
; )
― Clay, Thursday, 12 February 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
i mean the thing about him is he has a very particular set of skills
― Nhex, Thursday, 12 February 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link
was worried for a while no one was gonna make the taken joke that goon inadvertently set up upthread
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 12 February 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
this naturally leads me to wonder who in the current NBA would be best equipped to hunt down their daughter's kidnappers
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 12 February 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link
it was advertent actually xp
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 19:25 (nine years ago) link
*narrows eyes dramatically* a likely story
in any case, i feel like i can see john wall as an action hero, and not just bc of the tv spot he did with liam neesons to promote the christmas games (altho thats definitely a factor)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 12 February 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
Lol ya nobody uses that phrase without hearing Liam Neesons say it in their heads dawgs
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Thursday, 12 February 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
Xp double Neesons that's my shiiiii*explodes*
Let's just admit that this all star game is totally ridiculous with the number of injuries and the only reason to watch it is gonna be to see the Gasol bros give each other dap at tip off and maybe watch curry korver and Dirk throw up some ridic threes from 30 feet out
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Thursday, 12 February 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
- Now, the next part is very important. They're going to take you ... to the Sprint NBA All-Star Celebrity Game.
- (screams)
― polyphonic, Thursday, 12 February 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
There's literally no reason to watch the all star game but i usually do anyway. Goon otm about draymond too despite being played like a fiddle by clay. I think he is a 10-12 mill a year guy but i bet they pay more. Cant pay him that Klay type money hell no way. I think he deserves what bogut is making http://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state.htm
His offensive numbers have come down to earth. He really is not a good shooter but has made improvements year to year and doesn't seem like the type of guy to rest on what skills he has. I like him cos outside of Bogut the warriors have been kinda soft and nice and he brings that manic edge and tenacity that teams need.
― Steph def def (Spottie), Friday, 13 February 2015 00:43 (nine years ago) link
Goon otm about draymond too despite being played like a fiddle by clay.
― Steph def def (Spottie), Thursday, February 12, 2015 7:43 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
um i was arguing w kevin
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 00:54 (nine years ago) link
Yah but clay started it as a joke
― Steph def def (Spottie), Friday, 13 February 2015 01:11 (nine years ago) link
tony snell: decent at basketball
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 13 February 2015 01:15 (nine years ago) link
convenient, all i gotta say, convenient, scuse me xp
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 01:16 (nine years ago) link
very evenly matched final game of the season's first half tonite
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 13 February 2015 01:16 (nine years ago) link
well, it was evenly matched, bulls seem in control rn & look good but momentum could easily swing other way
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 13 February 2015 01:21 (nine years ago) link
lebron has been more and more careless with the ball lately
― sae nnwurd - throw sum mo ka (k3vin k.), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:07 (nine years ago) link
bron lost the fire, only feels like himself on vacation
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:14 (nine years ago) link
fall out boy are playing but i turned the sound off your move tnt
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:16 (nine years ago) link
I like fall out boy just fine but not really this song
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:18 (nine years ago) link
this is also the song they apologized for being overplayed in ads for the college football playoff, adding to the ehhhh
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:19 (nine years ago) link
i have no idea what the music of fall out boy sounds like
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:19 (nine years ago) link
i mean i have an idea but its not based on hearing the music ever
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:20 (nine years ago) link
Haven't really watched the cavs since they got better but is their defense improved or are bron and uncdrew just being good on offense now? Is bron old bron on d now?
― Steph def def (Spottie), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:20 (nine years ago) link
bron playing better but also the trades made a big difference, they have an actual logical nba starting five now
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:21 (nine years ago) link
Figured mosgov would help and jr for spacing
― Steph def def (Spottie), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:22 (nine years ago) link
butler wearing a nice mini dot jacket
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:23 (nine years ago) link
Blatt looks like he practices his "serious coach face" in the mirror
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:23 (nine years ago) link
ha so many coaches do
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:24 (nine years ago) link
it's prob big component of interview process tbf
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:25 (nine years ago) link
Blatt v punchable to me
― Steph def def (Spottie), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:27 (nine years ago) link
6 quarters and counting without a TO for Rose
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:27 (nine years ago) link
rose, snell and pau having v good nights overall
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:28 (nine years ago) link
rose seems to have gotten a little more back into attack mode recently
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:30 (nine years ago) link
ya I think for someone like him who isn't the uh most cerebral player as I've said before, there's a lot of truth to all the "rhythm", "comfort", "reflex" clichés.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:33 (nine years ago) link
assume trusting his body must be huge at this point too
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:34 (nine years ago) link
yep. his hair is def back to an mvp level at least.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:36 (nine years ago) link
Face cleared up a bit too.
― Steph def def (Spottie), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:38 (nine years ago) link
wau rose just tore through the lane in vintage style
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:52 (nine years ago) link
that was nice
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:53 (nine years ago) link
he's not taking any of those inefficient 3s/long jumper 2s, seems to indicate he trusts himself to score in the paint
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:54 (nine years ago) link