drays a nice player but pretty much defines complimentary u guys have warriors fever
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:51 (nine years ago) link
heres a little thought experiment for all u draymond green truthers out there, visualize a team with him as its best player, lol
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:53 (nine years ago) link
is he even the best warrior who didnt make the allstar team, no
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:54 (nine years ago) link
the all star game is for stars you can tell from its name "all star game" which means a game comprised all of star players
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:56 (nine years ago) link
this is like last year when ppl were saying lance had a case
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:59 (nine years ago) link
dirk is a 12 time all-star future hof'er and this is probably his last appearance and he's representing the only 30 win team that would otherwise send no one to the game and he's spent most of this season leap frogging other hof'ers on the all time scoring list and he's still the canonical stretch 4 so basically there's a p good arg to be made for his being the third injury replacement
― pursuit of happiness (art), Thursday, 12 February 2015 14:02 (nine years ago) link
/homer
dirk is a great choice, still unguardble after all these years
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 14:03 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, February 12, 2015 8:53 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sure but you could say the same thing about klay thompson
some players legit are more valuable when the talent around them is better, particularly guys like dray or korver who can't really create their own shot but do so many things well that don't show up in box scores
― sae nnwurd - throw sum mo ka (k3vin k.), Thursday, 12 February 2015 15:51 (nine years ago) link
maybe we shd just renamed it the all guys who do little things that dont show up in the box score game
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link
korver in the ASG is p much a joke but its the east so i understand the thinking
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link
klays team wld be much better than dray or korvers btw cause hes a much better player than either of them
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 16:00 (nine years ago) link
tho he is def obvs obvs benefiting from being in a team that is so majorly in the zone right now
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link
i mean imagine him jacking up contested threes on the wolves right now
tho re korver at least he is doing something legendary that deserves some recognition
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
idk man that just seems like a very old fashioned way of looking at the game, defense matters and draymond is a beast on that end and every metric backs that up. he can't be a first option on offense but he does a lot of things well
― sae nnwurd - throw sum mo ka (k3vin k.), Thursday, 12 February 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
he's basically what they wanted iggy to be when they signed him
― Steph def def (Spottie), Thursday, 12 February 2015 16:49 (nine years ago) link
guys he is not a star nba player this is not that difficult
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 16:56 (nine years ago) link
hes a very good defender tho obvs currently overrated on that end, as he is just generally, this is what happens to role players on great teams, i watched paul milsap who is better than him btw own the hell out of him about a week ago, and milsap doesnt even have good size which is drays biggest weakness
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link
when considering his D keep in mind that the warriors are a generally very good defensive team who in fact lead the league last year in that category while starting david lee
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
the warriors will max him out as they should all things considered, but id be very interesting to see some other team take a stab at him thinking hell put them over the top
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link
i mean the thing about him is he has a very particular set of skills, hes a big man who can run defend shoot handle the ball and play two positions, those traits allow teams a lot of flexibility which is super valuable, but those skills are only valuable in the context of a team already having star players, which is why he is a role player, he is a star role player, nominate him to the ilh hof lmao
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:13 (nine years ago) link
if the warriors meet the griz in the playoffs and cant find a way to run one of their big men off the floor dray cld be in trouble
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:59 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:01 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i mean the overrating of role players on great teams is definitely a real phenomenon historically but at least theoretically the advantage of real plus minus is that it controls for quality of teammates, which is something old lineup stats like offensive rating didn't do which led to guys like tiago splitter leading the league in offense and david west being one of the best defensive players according to their system, when in fact these guys were just helped by playing with a bunch of killer lineups. with the new one that's supposed to be less of an issue tho multicollinearity i guess can't be ruled out as an explanation
― sae nnwurd - throw sum mo ka (k3vin k.), Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link
imo defensive stats or just nba stats in general have to be contextualized, like how does the player fit into the scheme, if someone has great defensive stats and is single handedly protecting the rim with an inferior support cast ala orlando dwight then fine, or like prime lebron capable of shutting down derick rose at will
the warriors scheme seem particularly teamy, they start a bunch of long quick mid sized guys and switch like crazy, ive watched them a bunch and from what ive seen drays game looks much more competent than it does dominant defensively, hes not out there shutting people down or snuffing out plays single handedly or making up for teammates weaknesses, he moving his feet making the right rotations keeping his hands up and just playing very solid
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link
like i dont think if you put him on a very weak defensive team he wld make too much differnce
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
basically he shd just stay on the warriors forever and grow rich
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
like hes shooting 33% from three this year which is preeety borderline (while taking 4 a game lol too many!), you can live with it from yr fifth option pf tho, but what wld he be shooting from there if he didnt have steph and clay drawing all the defenders
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
you guys I was being sarcastic about dreymond in that post lol
my actual feeling is probably monta deserves it over dirk but I am past the point of caring now that there's 40 all stars
― Clay, Thursday, 12 February 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link
literally glowering at this post
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
; )
― Clay, Thursday, 12 February 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
i mean the thing about him is he has a very particular set of skills
― Nhex, Thursday, 12 February 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link
was worried for a while no one was gonna make the taken joke that goon inadvertently set up upthread
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 12 February 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
this naturally leads me to wonder who in the current NBA would be best equipped to hunt down their daughter's kidnappers
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 12 February 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link
it was advertent actually xp
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 19:25 (nine years ago) link
*narrows eyes dramatically* a likely story
in any case, i feel like i can see john wall as an action hero, and not just bc of the tv spot he did with liam neesons to promote the christmas games (altho thats definitely a factor)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 12 February 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
Lol ya nobody uses that phrase without hearing Liam Neesons say it in their heads dawgs
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Thursday, 12 February 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
Xp double Neesons that's my shiiiii*explodes*
Let's just admit that this all star game is totally ridiculous with the number of injuries and the only reason to watch it is gonna be to see the Gasol bros give each other dap at tip off and maybe watch curry korver and Dirk throw up some ridic threes from 30 feet out
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Thursday, 12 February 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
- Now, the next part is very important. They're going to take you ... to the Sprint NBA All-Star Celebrity Game.
- (screams)
― polyphonic, Thursday, 12 February 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 February 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
There's literally no reason to watch the all star game but i usually do anyway. Goon otm about draymond too despite being played like a fiddle by clay. I think he is a 10-12 mill a year guy but i bet they pay more. Cant pay him that Klay type money hell no way. I think he deserves what bogut is making http://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state.htm
His offensive numbers have come down to earth. He really is not a good shooter but has made improvements year to year and doesn't seem like the type of guy to rest on what skills he has. I like him cos outside of Bogut the warriors have been kinda soft and nice and he brings that manic edge and tenacity that teams need.
― Steph def def (Spottie), Friday, 13 February 2015 00:43 (nine years ago) link
Goon otm about draymond too despite being played like a fiddle by clay.
― Steph def def (Spottie), Thursday, February 12, 2015 7:43 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
um i was arguing w kevin
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 00:54 (nine years ago) link
Yah but clay started it as a joke
― Steph def def (Spottie), Friday, 13 February 2015 01:11 (nine years ago) link
tony snell: decent at basketball
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 13 February 2015 01:15 (nine years ago) link
convenient, all i gotta say, convenient, scuse me xp
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 01:16 (nine years ago) link
very evenly matched final game of the season's first half tonite
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 13 February 2015 01:16 (nine years ago) link
well, it was evenly matched, bulls seem in control rn & look good but momentum could easily swing other way
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 13 February 2015 01:21 (nine years ago) link
lebron has been more and more careless with the ball lately
― sae nnwurd - throw sum mo ka (k3vin k.), Friday, 13 February 2015 02:07 (nine years ago) link
bron lost the fire, only feels like himself on vacation
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 February 2015 02:14 (nine years ago) link