Breaking -- The human race has waived Josh Smith: 2014-15 regular season thread part 2

Boson just went 1-11 from 3 on the 1st quarter

I predict many humorous vines of kyrie's fumble

if butler is out can we have brandon knight instead of kyle bloody korver

― micah, Wednesday, February 11, 2015 6:03 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

knight is not that good man come on. if we're clamoring for brandon knight then the choices are pretty sad

pouring one out for mase; loved that guy

Evan turner game winner beats the Hawks lol

Evan turner game winner beats the Hawks lol
--we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi)

wwwhhaaaaattttt

U heard me

man you skip one celtics game in favor of watching empire and shit like that happens

could it be that assertive turner is a clutch player? he did that like 2 weeks or so ago against the blaze

o god what am I saying no he's not

tream alert warriors/wolves 17 secs left wolves ball down one

oh man pekovic missed a chippy

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Another bummer: Hearing that the ailing Anthony Davis is being ruled out of All-Star Weekend

def not watching the bs farce

re: all the consternation for a new east all-star, they should just say fuck it and grab hassan whiteside, it'd be entertaining at least

dirk chosen to replace the brow in the ASG, kind of a lame choice

shoulda been draymond imo

lol no

karl 2 kings

king karl

can't believe lagoon is a draymond doubter smh

good interview with jared dudley on lowe's podcast http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-lowe-post-podcast-jared-dudley-on-the-bucks-surprising-season/

drays a nice player but pretty much defines complimentary u guys have warriors fever

heres a little thought experiment for all u draymond green truthers out there, visualize a team with him as its best player, lol

is he even the best warrior who didnt make the allstar team, no

the all star game is for stars you can tell from its name "all star game" which means a game comprised all of star players

this is like last year when ppl were saying lance had a case

dirk is a 12 time all-star future hof'er and this is probably his last appearance and he's representing the only 30 win team that would otherwise send no one to the game and he's spent most of this season leap frogging other hof'ers on the all time scoring list and he's still the canonical stretch 4 so basically there's a p good arg to be made for his being the third injury replacement

/homer

dirk is a great choice, still unguardble after all these years

heres a little thought experiment for all u draymond green truthers out there, visualize a team with him as its best player, lol

― lag∞n, Thursday, February 12, 2015 8:53 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sure but you could say the same thing about klay thompson

some players legit are more valuable when the talent around them is better, particularly guys like dray or korver who can't really create their own shot but do so many things well that don't show up in box scores

maybe we shd just renamed it the all guys who do little things that dont show up in the box score game

korver in the ASG is p much a joke but its the east so i understand the thinking

klays team wld be much better than dray or korvers btw cause hes a much better player than either of them

tho he is def obvs obvs benefiting from being in a team that is so majorly in the zone right now

i mean imagine him jacking up contested threes on the wolves right now

tho re korver at least he is doing something legendary that deserves some recognition

idk man that just seems like a very old fashioned way of looking at the game, defense matters and draymond is a beast on that end and every metric backs that up. he can't be a first option on offense but he does a lot of things well

he's basically what they wanted iggy to be when they signed him

guys he is not a star nba player this is not that difficult

hes a very good defender tho obvs currently overrated on that end, as he is just generally, this is what happens to role players on great teams, i watched paul milsap who is better than him btw own the hell out of him about a week ago, and milsap doesnt even have good size which is drays biggest weakness

when considering his D keep in mind that the warriors are a generally very good defensive team who in fact lead the league last year in that category while starting david lee

the warriors will max him out as they should all things considered, but id be very interesting to see some other team take a stab at him thinking hell put them over the top

i mean the thing about him is he has a very particular set of skills, hes a big man who can run defend shoot handle the ball and play two positions, those traits allow teams a lot of flexibility which is super valuable, but those skills are only valuable in the context of a team already having star players, which is why he is a role player, he is a star role player, nominate him to the ilh hof lmao

if the warriors meet the griz in the playoffs and cant find a way to run one of their big men off the floor dray cld be in trouble

hes a very good defender tho obvs currently overrated on that end, as he is just generally, this is what happens to role players on great teams, i watched paul milsap who is better than him btw own the hell out of him about a week ago, and milsap doesnt even have good size which is drays biggest weakness

― lag∞n, Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:59 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

when considering his D keep in mind that the warriors are a generally very good defensive team who in fact lead the league last year in that category while starting david lee

― lag∞n, Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:01 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i mean the overrating of role players on great teams is definitely a real phenomenon historically but at least theoretically the advantage of real plus minus is that it controls for quality of teammates, which is something old lineup stats like offensive rating didn't do which led to guys like tiago splitter leading the league in offense and david west being one of the best defensive players according to their system, when in fact these guys were just helped by playing with a bunch of killer lineups. with the new one that's supposed to be less of an issue tho multicollinearity i guess can't be ruled out as an explanation

imo defensive stats or just nba stats in general have to be contextualized, like how does the player fit into the scheme, if someone has great defensive stats and is single handedly protecting the rim with an inferior support cast ala orlando dwight then fine, or like prime lebron capable of shutting down derick rose at will

the warriors scheme seem particularly teamy, they start a bunch of long quick mid sized guys and switch like crazy, ive watched them a bunch and from what ive seen drays game looks much more competent than it does dominant defensively, hes not out there shutting people down or snuffing out plays single handedly or making up for teammates weaknesses, he moving his feet making the right rotations keeping his hands up and just playing very solid

like i dont think if you put him on a very weak defensive team he wld make too much differnce

basically he shd just stay on the warriors forever and grow rich

like hes shooting 33% from three this year which is preeety borderline (while taking 4 a game lol too many!), you can live with it from yr fifth option pf tho, but what wld he be shooting from there if he didnt have steph and clay drawing all the defenders

you guys I was being sarcastic about dreymond in that post lol

my actual feeling is probably monta deserves it over dirk but I am past the point of caring now that there's 40 all stars

literally glowering at this post