Joannna: painterly, modernish, Brit
― contenderizer, Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:18 (nine years ago) link
you shd watch exhibition!
archipelago to follow soon
― pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:32 (nine years ago) link
been dragging my heels on hogg catchup since ward bumped this thread in early december. what should i start with?
― contenderizer, Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:35 (nine years ago) link
nakhers stanned for the last two. reverse chronological order seems as good as any order tbh
will watch museum hours too, ty for the recommendation
― pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:37 (nine years ago) link
reverse chronological order
― pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:37 (14 minutes ago)
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:52 (nine years ago) link
What a brilliant film Exhibition is, comical but quietly devastating. Thought the two leads were excellent, both conveying this weird blank anxiety.
― ewar woowar (or something), Monday, 16 February 2015 23:52 (nine years ago) link
I just read Viv Albertine's bio (which is great btw)
the first time she met Liam Gillick they had a massive argument and he ended up quitting the film and told her "you're not intelligent enough to play my wife"
― Number None, Monday, 16 February 2015 23:59 (nine years ago) link
jesus
― no love deb weep (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:01 (nine years ago) link
Haha. He's clearly playing himself throughout, but he's good at it.
― ewar woowar (or something), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:05 (nine years ago) link
I arrive at the location at 8 p.m. with all my bags, an assistant helps me unload the taxi and then leaves me and Liam alone. Tomorrow we start filming. I’m going to stay the night in someone else’s empty house, with a man I just met. How weird. He suggests we go to the pub. We sit outside under an electric heater and discuss life, art, having children. As we talk, I realise that an old friend of mine went to Goldsmiths art school with him. I text her to ask what he was like. She texts back: VERY ambitious. Meanwhile Liam is telling me what a lovely big cuddly socialist he is. I don’t care that he’s ambitious, lives in a fancy penthouse and has round-the-clock nannies for his child, I just think it’s funny. I start to I arrive at the location at 8 p.m. with all my bags, an assistant helps me unload the taxi and then leaves me and Liam alone. Tomorrow we start filming. I’m going to stay the night in someone else’s empty house, with a man I just met. How weird. He suggests we go to the pub. We sit outside under an electric heater and discuss life, art, having children. As we talk, I realise that an old friend of mine went to Goldsmiths art school with him. I text her to ask what he was like. She texts back: VERY ambitious. Meanwhile Liam is telling me what a lovely big cuddly socialist he is. I don’t care that he’s ambitious, lives in a fancy penthouse and has round-the-clock nannies for his child, I just think it’s funny. I start to tease him about it but he explodes. He’s not at all amused. I think I’m being quite flirty calling him a Thatcher’s child and a careerist. (I have been off the dating scene for seventeen years.) I thought we’d got to a place during the evening where we could say stuff like that to each other, wind each other up with a smile, but I’ve hit a raw nerve. He goes mental, jumps up off the bench, practically turns over the table, grabs his (designer) coat – face bulldog angry and red, chest puffed out – and says he’s not doing the film, it’s not going to work, he’s going to pack his bags and fuck off back to New York.As I watch Liam scurry off up the street in a huff, my mouth in an O shape, I dimly recall Joanna saying something like ‘Be gentle with him’ the last time I saw her. She knows me only too well. I’d better sort this out or the film isn’t going to happen. I run after Liam and try to placate him; I explain that I was only teasing and I really like him. I put my hand on his arm, he shakes it off like I’m a leper and hisses, ‘Don’t touch me.’ He looks disgusted by me. Wow. I go back to the house and watch him pack. He’s still snarling and hissing, ‘You’re not smart enough to play my wife,’ and, ‘You’re lazy and unprofessional.’ (Because I haven’t Googled him yet.) ‘I don’t want to be in this bourgeois film anyway.’ It seems to matter very much to him how he is perceived in the ‘art world’. On and on he rants. I give up trying to pacify him and say, ‘I understand if you think the film’s not right for you and I’m not the right person to play your wife, you have to do what’s best for you and your image.’ His expression softens, he stops packing, says he’s not going to leave the film after all, he’s going back to the pub and he’ll see me later.
As I watch Liam scurry off up the street in a huff, my mouth in an O shape, I dimly recall Joanna saying something like ‘Be gentle with him’ the last time I saw her. She knows me only too well. I’d better sort this out or the film isn’t going to happen. I run after Liam and try to placate him; I explain that I was only teasing and I really like him. I put my hand on his arm, he shakes it off like I’m a leper and hisses, ‘Don’t touch me.’ He looks disgusted by me. Wow. I go back to the house and watch him pack. He’s still snarling and hissing, ‘You’re not smart enough to play my wife,’ and, ‘You’re lazy and unprofessional.’ (Because I haven’t Googled him yet.) ‘I don’t want to be in this bourgeois film anyway.’ It seems to matter very much to him how he is perceived in the ‘art world’. On and on he rants. I give up trying to pacify him and say, ‘I understand if you think the film’s not right for you and I’m not the right person to play your wife, you have to do what’s best for you and your image.’ His expression softens, he stops packing, says he’s not going to leave the film after all, he’s going back to the pub and he’ll see me later.
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:07 (nine years ago) link
#0
― not that sort of birdwatcher (imago), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:13 (nine years ago) link
I could have watched the shot of D at the front of the bus for the full hour and a half btw.
― ewar woowar (or something), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:27 (nine years ago) link
It's like TS Eliot's A Cooking Egg in cinematic form.
sold
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:33 (nine years ago) link
I thought Exhibition was striking, in a muted way. (Can something be mutedly striking?) Want to see the others.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 02:29 (nine years ago) link
and distinctly un-British, closer to Taiwanese cinema.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 02:38 (nine years ago) link
For sure. Some midpoint between Hou and Haneke.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 02:50 (nine years ago) link
and distinctly un-British
There are lots of things in Hogg's style that connect her to earlier British avant-garde filmmakers like Laura Mulvey and Sally Potter, without even addressing the distinctly British concerns - class, social hierarchy - that are embedded in the films themselves.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 09:49 (nine years ago) link
I was thinking of the tradition of late twentieth century loquacious British cinema, but Potter's a good call.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 11:48 (nine years ago) link
yeah there are all kinds of Brit cinema no matter what Eric H sez
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 12:06 (nine years ago) link
Nahkchivan, did you see Museum Hours?
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, February 7, 2015 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Was this based on Bernhard's Old Masters?
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link
Or not based...as its from the pov of the guard but some googling says no although this rev mentions both.
http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/museum-hours
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 22:14 (nine years ago) link
Yes, watch it!
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 09:49 (12 hours ago
quite
saw museum hours the other day, very good
― no love deb weep (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 22:41 (nine years ago) link
That slant review is excellent. And I'm interested in reading that Bernhard too.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 22:47 (nine years ago) link
i think the non-sex scene in exhibition might be the greatest non-sex scene i've ever seen in a movie. hilarious/horrible is so hard to pull off.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:11 (nine years ago) link
also, i think that house should have been nominated for a best supporting actor oscar.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
^^^^^^^^
― vacuum head tree disease (imago), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
yes, i'd like to swing by there on a visit
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link
That house gave great stair!
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:25 (nine years ago) link
has anyone feigned illness at dinner parties after seeing this?
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:27 (nine years ago) link
The snot/snob sister in Archipelago is my favorite recently viewed movie villain.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:28 (nine years ago) link
unfortunately, it's now a sainsbury's local
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:32 (nine years ago) link
lol
― vacuum head tree disease (imago), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:33 (nine years ago) link
sequel imo
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:02 (nine years ago) link
fuck me, archipelago might be even better
― vacuum head tree disease (imago), Sunday, 15 March 2015 02:30 (nine years ago) link
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 09:49 (3 weeks ago)
have you seen 'riddles of the sphinx'
― pom /via/ chi (nakhchivan), Sunday, 15 March 2015 02:34 (nine years ago) link
― vacuum head tree disease (imago)
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 March 2015 02:36 (nine years ago) link
thx for the dn
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Sunday, 15 March 2015 02:55 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I've got the BFI blu - thought the 'performance' sequence in Exhibition was especially similar to the acrobatic sequence in Sphinx, and that both films used a long take aesthetic to explore gendered domestic spaces
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 15 March 2015 08:19 (nine years ago) link
no, Archipelago is not better
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2015 08:42 (nine years ago) link
https://whatson.bfi.org.uk/Online/default.asp?BOparam::WScontent::loadArticle::permalink=cinemabornagain
Laura Mulvey talk on the 21st April. Seen her speak in discussions before, she is awesome.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 March 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
Have now seen Museum Hours - it's astonishing and the two protagonists are superb characters (also, the visiting lecturer bit is great) - could listen to Johann opine on art and its spectators for hours
a beautiful well-composed conjecture on art, survival and the search for context with one of the lightest dramatic touches I've seen - it felt accidental at times, as if a documentary, even though it was clearly complex and thought-out
makes me want to spend more time in art galleries, which will have pleased the person I watched it with
― to pump a bit of lye (imago), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 23:19 (nine years ago) link
excellent!
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 23:56 (nine years ago) link
yeah ty! even more amazing is that it was a debut feature film (i think) by an admittedly seasoned documentarian & music video maker
― to pump a bit of lye (imago), Thursday, 19 March 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link
it felt accidental at times
^ lovely
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Thursday, 19 March 2015 00:33 (nine years ago) link
I'm really glad you watched Museum Hours. It's a small project of mine to get people to watch it -very pleased! When MMO'H sings alone in her room "there is a crying in my heart..." - tears every time.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 19 March 2015 03:06 (nine years ago) link
I've watched the whole thing 4 times I think.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 19 March 2015 03:07 (nine years ago) link
I think this is key, really. The whole thing is about how accidental, or incidental, things shape our lives. Chance encounters lead to deep experiences etc. so beautiful. Deft.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 19 March 2015 03:15 (nine years ago) link
loved archipelago, thought exhibition was far more predictable, less interesting, and more prone to art house cliche, and also just had far less sympathetic characters. but her films are more notable for the milieu they feature and how she brings european arthouse style/formalism to middle class britishness than for anything all that stylistically novel. though i do love her.
― StillAdvance, Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:48 (nine years ago) link
http://www.whitechapelgallery.org/learn/jem-cohen-compass-magnet/
^screening on Thursday with director.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 April 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link
idk I like the sass. American actors are reluctant to show it.
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 December 2023 20:48 (four months ago) link
Thanks for that link plax, understand your bf's reaction.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 December 2023 21:42 (four months ago) link
This film added up to less than the sum of its parts, other than the aforementioned Carly-Sophia Davies. Maybe it needed more heaving bosoms, if it is indeed "two parts Hammer"? SPOILERSPOILERSPOILERTilda seemed to be cured of her psychotic episode quite sharpish at the conclusion!
― Fizzles, Sunday, 17 December 2023 12:25 (four months ago) link
Great comment.. Did the film need that malevolent detachment? Is that mode even Hogg's specialty?
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 December 2023 12:29 (four months ago) link
right. it’s an interesting decision. i like that she tried it. not sure it worked.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 17 December 2023 18:47 (four months ago) link