I really couldn't pinpoint the sources of this family's angst beyond a seeming gulf between the parents.
Did you notice the song over the credits? Written by Hogg and sung by the actress who plays the sister, it's about the sister's love for her brother, how he's braver than she is, how she admires him for it. It helps explain her anger in terms of jealousy, maybe?
Thought Exhibition operated like a slow-motion farce, with a Tati-like appreciation of the silliness of their separation + deep affection for the architecture that separates them.
I watched both of these because of this thread, by the way. She's my favorite new discovery!
― Cherish, Saturday, 7 February 2015 02:15 (nine years ago) link
Great & surely intentional detail of Exhibition: both principal actors were in their first film acting role ever, both approaching 60
― pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Saturday, 7 February 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
not all that intentional
The budget was less than £1m – her biggest yet. She secured the house for six weeks. But she still had no leading actors.Panicked, she phoned Viv Albertine for ideas. Still best known as the guitarist in fabled all-girl punk band the Slits, she and Hogg had been friends since 1984. After quitting music, she too made films. Now, she suggested names."It was only when I hung up," Hogg says, "that Nick said 'What about Viv?'" She called straight back.
Panicked, she phoned Viv Albertine for ideas. Still best known as the guitarist in fabled all-girl punk band the Slits, she and Hogg had been friends since 1984. After quitting music, she too made films. Now, she suggested names.
"It was only when I hung up," Hogg says, "that Nick said 'What about Viv?'" She called straight back.
― anima corrective (nakhchivan), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link
Liam Gillick was only in his late 40s. He's 50 now. Viv Albertine looks really amazing for her age though.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link
that song was written by Hogg and Viv Albertine, i think? i did notice it. xxxp
rewatched Exhibition; liked the way her 'codependency' w/ the house was explicit w/out ever being diagnosed. V.A. (the ex-Slit) is this year's Mary Margaret O'Hara.
i would agree that Archipelago seems more inherently, inescapably British.
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
MMO'H was astonishing in Museum Hours. Imago should see that if he hasn't.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
I liked Archipelago a lot, thought Unrelated was not good. Exhibition was interesting but didn't really hang together for me. I really liked the scene where Liam G has an argument with the builder who was parked in front of his house.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
yeah
― anima corrective (nakhchivan), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
Nahkchivan, did you see Museum Hours?
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
no i just wikid it after you mentioned it, i was only vaguely aware of it
how much of it is in german? if its only a small bit i might try muddling through sans subtitles with my gcse german
― anima corrective (nakhchivan), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
hardly any of it. it's probably my favourite film of the past few years.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
cool, i shall watch it
― anima corrective (nakhchivan), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link
i started watching exhibition last night but i had to watch on my computer because maria wouldn't stop playing her zombie game. gonna watch the whole thing tonight or soon on the t.v. i really liked the ambient sounds from the street in the scenes where she is alone in her office room. i also like how the use of silence is completely different from the use of silence in that stray dogs movie i've been watching all week. silence is never the same! i do like seeing movies that remind me of why i like movies. or why i liked movies in the past. it's encouraging.
― scott seward, Saturday, 7 February 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
Joannna: painterly, modernish, Brit
― contenderizer, Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:18 (nine years ago) link
you shd watch exhibition!
archipelago to follow soon
― pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:32 (nine years ago) link
been dragging my heels on hogg catchup since ward bumped this thread in early december. what should i start with?
― contenderizer, Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:35 (nine years ago) link
nakhers stanned for the last two. reverse chronological order seems as good as any order tbh
will watch museum hours too, ty for the recommendation
― pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:37 (nine years ago) link
reverse chronological order
― pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:37 (14 minutes ago)
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:52 (nine years ago) link
What a brilliant film Exhibition is, comical but quietly devastating. Thought the two leads were excellent, both conveying this weird blank anxiety.
― ewar woowar (or something), Monday, 16 February 2015 23:52 (nine years ago) link
I just read Viv Albertine's bio (which is great btw)
the first time she met Liam Gillick they had a massive argument and he ended up quitting the film and told her "you're not intelligent enough to play my wife"
― Number None, Monday, 16 February 2015 23:59 (nine years ago) link
jesus
― no love deb weep (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:01 (nine years ago) link
Haha. He's clearly playing himself throughout, but he's good at it.
― ewar woowar (or something), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:05 (nine years ago) link
I arrive at the location at 8 p.m. with all my bags, an assistant helps me unload the taxi and then leaves me and Liam alone. Tomorrow we start filming. I’m going to stay the night in someone else’s empty house, with a man I just met. How weird. He suggests we go to the pub. We sit outside under an electric heater and discuss life, art, having children. As we talk, I realise that an old friend of mine went to Goldsmiths art school with him. I text her to ask what he was like. She texts back: VERY ambitious. Meanwhile Liam is telling me what a lovely big cuddly socialist he is. I don’t care that he’s ambitious, lives in a fancy penthouse and has round-the-clock nannies for his child, I just think it’s funny. I start to I arrive at the location at 8 p.m. with all my bags, an assistant helps me unload the taxi and then leaves me and Liam alone. Tomorrow we start filming. I’m going to stay the night in someone else’s empty house, with a man I just met. How weird. He suggests we go to the pub. We sit outside under an electric heater and discuss life, art, having children. As we talk, I realise that an old friend of mine went to Goldsmiths art school with him. I text her to ask what he was like. She texts back: VERY ambitious. Meanwhile Liam is telling me what a lovely big cuddly socialist he is. I don’t care that he’s ambitious, lives in a fancy penthouse and has round-the-clock nannies for his child, I just think it’s funny. I start to tease him about it but he explodes. He’s not at all amused. I think I’m being quite flirty calling him a Thatcher’s child and a careerist. (I have been off the dating scene for seventeen years.) I thought we’d got to a place during the evening where we could say stuff like that to each other, wind each other up with a smile, but I’ve hit a raw nerve. He goes mental, jumps up off the bench, practically turns over the table, grabs his (designer) coat – face bulldog angry and red, chest puffed out – and says he’s not doing the film, it’s not going to work, he’s going to pack his bags and fuck off back to New York.As I watch Liam scurry off up the street in a huff, my mouth in an O shape, I dimly recall Joanna saying something like ‘Be gentle with him’ the last time I saw her. She knows me only too well. I’d better sort this out or the film isn’t going to happen. I run after Liam and try to placate him; I explain that I was only teasing and I really like him. I put my hand on his arm, he shakes it off like I’m a leper and hisses, ‘Don’t touch me.’ He looks disgusted by me. Wow. I go back to the house and watch him pack. He’s still snarling and hissing, ‘You’re not smart enough to play my wife,’ and, ‘You’re lazy and unprofessional.’ (Because I haven’t Googled him yet.) ‘I don’t want to be in this bourgeois film anyway.’ It seems to matter very much to him how he is perceived in the ‘art world’. On and on he rants. I give up trying to pacify him and say, ‘I understand if you think the film’s not right for you and I’m not the right person to play your wife, you have to do what’s best for you and your image.’ His expression softens, he stops packing, says he’s not going to leave the film after all, he’s going back to the pub and he’ll see me later.
As I watch Liam scurry off up the street in a huff, my mouth in an O shape, I dimly recall Joanna saying something like ‘Be gentle with him’ the last time I saw her. She knows me only too well. I’d better sort this out or the film isn’t going to happen. I run after Liam and try to placate him; I explain that I was only teasing and I really like him. I put my hand on his arm, he shakes it off like I’m a leper and hisses, ‘Don’t touch me.’ He looks disgusted by me. Wow. I go back to the house and watch him pack. He’s still snarling and hissing, ‘You’re not smart enough to play my wife,’ and, ‘You’re lazy and unprofessional.’ (Because I haven’t Googled him yet.) ‘I don’t want to be in this bourgeois film anyway.’ It seems to matter very much to him how he is perceived in the ‘art world’. On and on he rants. I give up trying to pacify him and say, ‘I understand if you think the film’s not right for you and I’m not the right person to play your wife, you have to do what’s best for you and your image.’ His expression softens, he stops packing, says he’s not going to leave the film after all, he’s going back to the pub and he’ll see me later.
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:07 (nine years ago) link
#0
― not that sort of birdwatcher (imago), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:13 (nine years ago) link
I could have watched the shot of D at the front of the bus for the full hour and a half btw.
― ewar woowar (or something), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:27 (nine years ago) link
It's like TS Eliot's A Cooking Egg in cinematic form.
sold
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:33 (nine years ago) link
I thought Exhibition was striking, in a muted way. (Can something be mutedly striking?) Want to see the others.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 02:29 (nine years ago) link
and distinctly un-British, closer to Taiwanese cinema.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 02:38 (nine years ago) link
For sure. Some midpoint between Hou and Haneke.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 02:50 (nine years ago) link
and distinctly un-British
There are lots of things in Hogg's style that connect her to earlier British avant-garde filmmakers like Laura Mulvey and Sally Potter, without even addressing the distinctly British concerns - class, social hierarchy - that are embedded in the films themselves.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 09:49 (nine years ago) link
I was thinking of the tradition of late twentieth century loquacious British cinema, but Potter's a good call.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 11:48 (nine years ago) link
yeah there are all kinds of Brit cinema no matter what Eric H sez
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 12:06 (nine years ago) link
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, February 7, 2015 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Was this based on Bernhard's Old Masters?
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link
Or not based...as its from the pov of the guard but some googling says no although this rev mentions both.
http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/museum-hours
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 22:14 (nine years ago) link
Yes, watch it!
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 09:49 (12 hours ago
quite
saw museum hours the other day, very good
― no love deb weep (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 22:41 (nine years ago) link
That slant review is excellent. And I'm interested in reading that Bernhard too.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 22:47 (nine years ago) link
i think the non-sex scene in exhibition might be the greatest non-sex scene i've ever seen in a movie. hilarious/horrible is so hard to pull off.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:11 (nine years ago) link
also, i think that house should have been nominated for a best supporting actor oscar.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
^^^^^^^^
― vacuum head tree disease (imago), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
yes, i'd like to swing by there on a visit
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link
That house gave great stair!
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:25 (nine years ago) link
has anyone feigned illness at dinner parties after seeing this?
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:27 (nine years ago) link
The snot/snob sister in Archipelago is my favorite recently viewed movie villain.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:28 (nine years ago) link
unfortunately, it's now a sainsbury's local
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:32 (nine years ago) link
lol
― vacuum head tree disease (imago), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:33 (nine years ago) link
sequel imo
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:02 (nine years ago) link
fuck me, archipelago might be even better
― vacuum head tree disease (imago), Sunday, 15 March 2015 02:30 (nine years ago) link
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 09:49 (3 weeks ago)
have you seen 'riddles of the sphinx'
― pom /via/ chi (nakhchivan), Sunday, 15 March 2015 02:34 (nine years ago) link
― vacuum head tree disease (imago)
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 March 2015 02:36 (nine years ago) link
In a strong month for dogs in movies (the mutts in Fallen Leaves and Anatomy of a Fall are v good too), Tilda’s springer spaniel may be the best.
― Piedie Gimbel, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 12:42 (four months ago) link
iirc Kaurismaki was a good director of woofers in the other side of hope as well
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 13:32 (four months ago) link
have been quietly stewing all afternoon over the level of critical idiocy reflected in that guardian quote, calz.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 18:05 (four months ago) link
I haven't seen the movie yet but I thought that either is an absolute clunker of a headline quote or a radical departure for J Hogg, the former being the odds on fav!
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 18:22 (four months ago) link
Upthread I called it her slightest film, but I think of it a little more kindly now. It's audacious to do the third part of an autobiographical trilogy as a gothic ghost story, and it pays off nicely at the end.
The privilege discussion upthread puts me in mind of Sofia Coppola, who I think has a similarly ambiguous posture toward her privilege and the world she occupies.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 30 November 2023 03:29 (four months ago) link
Mentions of 'Hammer Horror' are almost always a sign of critical carelessness, especially in the Guardian.
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 30 November 2023 09:48 (four months ago) link
my bf was so infuriated by an interview with tilda swinton's daughter that he now refuses to watch any movies by j hogg
― plax (ico), Friday, 15 December 2023 15:04 (four months ago) link
Lol, got a link?
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 December 2023 15:07 (four months ago) link
I read a graun interview with HSB and was bristling a fair bit at the smugness and nepo-brat quotient and all the usual shit (private school education, idyllic country house) but lol, despite this I'd still watch a Hogg movie!
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 15 December 2023 17:31 (four months ago) link
This film added up to less than the sum of its parts, other than the aforementioned Carly-Sophia Davies. Maybe it needed more heaving bosoms, if it is indeed "two parts Hammer"?
SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER
Tilda seemed to be cured of her psychotic episode quite sharpish at the conclusion!
― You have already voted in this poll and cannot vote again (Matt #2), Friday, 15 December 2023 17:46 (four months ago) link
I think this was it: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jan/23/honor-swinton-byrne-interview-souvenir-tilda-joanna-hogg
"“From what I understand, she couldn’t find Julie in these posey professional actresses who were very comfortable in front of a camera. She just said they’re all too pretty. And then she cast me. Which, you know, I took as a compliment,” says Swinton Byrne. She lets out a throaty laugh, wriggles her feet out of a pair of sparkly stilettos and snuggles herself more comfortably into a sofa at the upmarket central London hotel that is the base for her first solo publicity round, for the sequel to that first film."
― plax (ico), Friday, 15 December 2023 20:02 (four months ago) link
Yer faither wid be proud
― Free Ass Ange (Tom D.), Friday, 15 December 2023 20:05 (four months ago) link
that quote nails it!
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 15 December 2023 20:35 (four months ago) link
idk I like the sass. American actors are reluctant to show it.
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 December 2023 20:48 (four months ago) link
Thanks for that link plax, understand your bf's reaction.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 December 2023 21:42 (four months ago) link
This film added up to less than the sum of its parts, other than the aforementioned Carly-Sophia Davies. Maybe it needed more heaving bosoms, if it is indeed "two parts Hammer"? SPOILERSPOILERSPOILERTilda seemed to be cured of her psychotic episode quite sharpish at the conclusion!
― Fizzles, Sunday, 17 December 2023 12:25 (four months ago) link
Great comment.. Did the film need that malevolent detachment? Is that mode even Hogg's specialty?
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 December 2023 12:29 (four months ago) link
right. it’s an interesting decision. i like that she tried it. not sure it worked.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 17 December 2023 18:47 (four months ago) link