ILM's Top 77 Albums of 2014

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the greatest trick the devil ever played was teaching indies to be sexy (hipsters)

there's a class element to indie / hipster imo

ur a class element

i am it's true

it def requires less money to be indie than hipster

indie defensive hipster offensive

tru

just tryin out words

I'm very confused. I thought that hipsters could only be defined by what they're not.

no u can tell by how the pants are slim cut

sexy pants

major faction of non hipster indies in 2015 is like ppl who got into indie circa cute woodsy bearded lumbersexual picnic in a meadow animal-themed band names circa mid 00's but couldn't get down with the ensuing trends. my roommates bf is like that, all the music he listens to sounds like arcade fire mixd with kind of triumphant lion king soundtrack epic group vocals on the chorus, they play twee songs to each other on guitars in the living room and bake their own bread. glad i made it out of that aesthetic intact

indies just wear some like brown pants, theyre not sure where even got them

If you guys are going to start dissing wearing brown clothes, I'm gonna be mad.

class is a dumb way to talk about something so hairsplitting but plenty of poor hipsters on the grind, asking u for bumps, asking to get onto the guestlist. "indie" is more a college thing atp so it probably correlates more with fam income. also more of a white thing.

i have brown cords but i know *exactly* where i got them

hahaha I was waiting for you to reply to that. Quick work emil.y

Non-hipster indies are the worst imo. Like the woman I met who named her dog Wilco.

o god

the non-hipster indies western us version i'm thinking of are over 40, worked in a record store or were in a industrial / neo folk / post punk band in the 90s, love the stooges and nick cave, opposed to hippies and prob. can now just be described as "conservative, eccentric"

Music and cultural "taste" is backed up with correct arguments and facts, not "digging".

― Banaka™ (banaka), Thursday, 16 August 2012 01:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

working-class parents, may or may not be kinda racist, etc. xp

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― flopson, Friday, January 30, 2015 3:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Is anyone else seeing this?

"indie" is more a college thing atp so it probably correlates more with fam income.

Naw, most of the non-hipster indie types I know are 25-45 well-off post-collegiates. That may be reflective of my own age, iirc you're a bit younger?

I find a lot of people ay they're into "80s indie " or "90s indie" they dont want anyone to think they like "pitchfork or nme music" (depending on whether they are US or UK based.
Pretty sure the whole im into 80s indie was around in 1991 though.

Weirdly I see just as many people posting about being into 80s or 90s rap. That really is a thing ive seen watching the reverend arguing with those people on twitter.

hm so much history how time moves along

is emo still a thing with the teenagers?

xp rev- i'm 23. i think we're in agreement though. by "a college thing" i meant something norms get into during college so well off post-collegiates fits that

matt i think we're talking about a different thing. or your example is just getting lil too specif and you're just describing one person you know irl lol. "may or may not be kinda racist" applies to all groups we are talking about evenly. hipsters def less racist than 10 years ago though, reading gawker/jez instead of vice

I'm into 80s and 90s rap, especially 90s rap tbrrwu.

im into music

a few people but indicative of a type i think.

maybe more "tru kvlt alt" then "indie"

90s are involved

alternative rock is back in 2015 baby...oh yahhhhh

xp rev- i'm 23. i think we're in agreement though. by "a college thing" i meant something norms get into during college so well off post-collegiates fits that

OK word. I'm 28 and pretty much disconnected from the college crowd. I work with teenagers and DJ for and party with 21+ crowds on the reg, so I know what those sets like but college taste is p much a mystery to me at this point. Seems like they like middlebrow rappers and MGMT knockoffs a lot afaict.

and they stream legend by bob marley rather than have it onmp3/cd/lp ?

I find a lot of people ay they're into "80s indie " or "90s indie" they dont want anyone to think they like "pitchfork or nme music" (depending on whether they are US or UK based.
Pretty sure the whole im into 80s indie was around in 1991 though.

Weirdly I see just as many people posting about being into 80s or 90s rap. That really is a thing ive seen watching the reverend arguing with those people on twitter.

― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, January 30, 2015 3:50 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I do this because in general indie rock stylistically started to shift away from my liking in about 96-97. Though I like plenty of newer artists too.

whos an example of a 'middlebrow rapper'?

Seems like they like middlebrow rappers and MGMT knockoffs a lot afaict.

― aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Friday, January 30, 2015 3:58 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is also what ppl liked 10-ish years ago when i graduated

o god

― flopson, Friday, January 30, 2015 3:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAWdc9haQcA

I started to turn on indie rock when postrock became a thing, but I began to antagonize indie rock and indie rock fans when Death Cab and Rilo Kiley and Sufjan and Oberst became the inescapable leaders. There's nothing I hate worse in music of any style than unchecked preciousness.

all i remember music-trend-wise from college was a lot of kanye and a bit of vampire weekend

this was 6-9 years ago tho

i know a handful of people who match each of the descriptions of "types" itt, but in general i'm not really into sorting living breathing human beings into genres and making sweeping ideological assumptions about people i don't know based on my anecdotal experiences. tho i've definitely done it before and still slip into it again occasionally. i guess this is part of the reason why i don't think i should be a pop music critic.

I loved post-rock and math-rock but it did end up becoming formulaic and with diminishing returns but what doesn't

i'm not really into sorting living breathing human beings into genres and making sweeping ideological assumptions about people i don't know based on my anecdotal experiences

― example (crüt), Friday, January 30, 2015 4:05 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

one of my fav things to do tbh

don't be afraid of types it's ok everyone is still unique in miniscule amts

i dont like physically sort them

i think it's a natural tendency for people & a sign of intelligent thought process! but it's stereotyping & therefore not really accurate/honest/fair to anyone