Didn't hear much Harry Pussy in the Dawson tracks I listened to; solo Orcutt is a different matter.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link
oh for sure, was just bringing up the HP albums is response to Orcutt's perceived "academic" qualities
― ilx polls with striking imago (sleeve), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:14 (nine years ago) link
Yeah they are pretty much the antithesis of academic albs (unless the Centre for Advanced Bill Harkelroad Studies has really taken off recently)
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
Hogwhistle?
― ewar woowar (or something), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
OMG, it has been a long time since I listened to anything by Chenaux or Deep Dark United! Should dig some up. Has Dawson ever mentioned being aware of them?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
For the record, the only Orcutt I've heard is 'A History Of Every One'. I will check out Harry Pussy. But yeah, IIRC that was an album of deconstructed standards and reminded me very much of Derek Bailey. I mean, I love and respect Bailey. He's a revolutionary and his ideas are incredible, but I listen to Dawson for very different reasons.
― quinoa: how's it spelt? (dog latin), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link
Respec' to Del
― A trumpet growing in a garden (Tom D.), Friday, 23 January 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
A gentleman and a scholar.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 January 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
Not much of a singer though
― A trumpet growing in a garden (Tom D.), Friday, 23 January 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
Nobody's perfect.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 January 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link
Place naming has always incited ire in my heart I guess since I heard some Canucks try and do it "she blew like a Chinook down Yonge Street" or something
It's okay when Stomping Tom does it though, right?
― everything, Friday, 23 January 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link
we used to live there on vine st
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 19:21 (nine years ago) link
feel like street names should be exempt bc there are so many repeats
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
Stompin' Tom does it just fineAmericans can get away with it usually but if you hear "Dayton, Ohio 1903" and get what I mean then good
― fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
I choose to take "Dayton, Ohio 1903" as a reference to first powered flight so that I can laugh at the narrator tbh
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
think I got that interpretation from a comment on songmeanings.com, though.
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
actually, I laugh with Randy at the person that asked Randy to write that type of song, i.e. "Sing a song of long ago"
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
listen not to belabor this orcutt stuff but listen to "judas iscariot" off the dawson album and not think of orcutt is pretty ridiculous imo
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:11 (nine years ago) link
also i really do like this album good job richard dawson ilx poll season makes me combative for no good reason i'm glad this album exists and ppl are digging it
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:17 (nine years ago) link
Yes we're on the same page
― fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link
"Robert Wyatt doing George Benson" is a wonderful observation.
― charlie h, Saturday, 31 January 2015 01:33 (nine years ago) link
yeah the first thing my wife compared "The Vile Stuff" to was Wyatt
― parakeetal pancreasface (sleeve), Saturday, 31 January 2015 01:59 (nine years ago) link
An over-reliance on locations and names in lyrics is not to my taste. But: Dawson does it so much and so arrogantly I feel he's doing it deliberately to mock American songwriters who have interstates and national parks they'll namedrop without thinking about it. I mean, I think he's "taking the piss"
I think more specifically, the apocalyptic content of The Vile Stuff, wouldn't be as apparent if he didn't name all of the apostles [Thadeus, James and James Solicitors = James Son Of James, Miss Bartholemew…] so whether he's mocking or not, the list of names is kind of what the song's all about and it wouldn't work without them.
― Doran, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 10:26 (nine years ago) link
I dig this and I love the place-naming. His lyrics remind me of Nigel Blackwell although straining for a darkly surreal and wild poetic quality rather than Blackwell's comedy of the mundane.
― tayto fan (Michael B), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 10:50 (nine years ago) link
amazing detail about the apostles - I totally missed that
― Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 10:52 (nine years ago) link
well i'll be...
― rem remrum (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 14:04 (nine years ago) link
^
― pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 14:05 (nine years ago) link
Listening to this record with a bit of a wobble on this morning, s'got me all over the place, am a mess
― ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Saturday, 7 February 2015 11:59 (nine years ago) link
:)
think this might be my favourite music of the last few years. Nigel Blackwell gone art-folk makes sense as a comparison bit there's something more wide-eyed and Romantic about Dawson's outlook (not that Blackwell lacks these qualities entirely). I don't think Dawson would be overly given to snipe at things he disapproves of.
― pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Saturday, 7 February 2015 12:08 (nine years ago) link
I like the press of accumulating, involuntary and unwelcome minutiae vs. and I don't care about these thingsWhy do they remain so clear while the faces of my loved ones disappear? That's life, kid, more and more: the memories you have vs. the ones you *should* have, even want to have. But there can be a liberation or release, relief, in submitting to that, in art, at least.
― dow, Saturday, 7 February 2015 14:43 (nine years ago) link
Although he doesn't sound relieved yet. Letting it spew, though.
― dow, Saturday, 7 February 2015 14:45 (nine years ago) link
The delivery and placement of that line is so great
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 7 February 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
Olllld karate trophies
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 7 February 2015 16:04 (nine years ago) link
just listening to The Ice-Breaker Baikal on the way home, magnificent
― woof, Saturday, 7 February 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
The theme of the apostles - and other religious matters - came up in an interview I carried out with Richard Dawson last week if anyone's interested.
― Doran, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 13:53 (nine years ago) link
god's work, doran
― Josh Whitehurst the endowed drummer and backing vocalist (imago), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
He knocked on the door and my brother answered. I was frightened so I hid behind the door. I peeped around and saw that he had come in a big old dragster car (we actually had a little dragster racing board game at the time). It was parked at the end of the drive and the engine was still growling. I remember I was really scared. The Easter Bunny understood this and leaned around the door to look squarely at me. He was very serious and not like a cartoon bunny. He was a very realistic looking rabbit, but human sized and wearing quite simple clothes. He looked at me and was very solemn. Then he slowly nodded and handed me a chocolate egg. I cannot stress how melancholy an air this giant rabbit had about him. Then he got back in his dragster and roared off.
brb going to create a sort of cultish wallchart with dawson, julian cope, cardiacs, oliver postgate, dylan thomas and some others until british pastoralia leaps forth connected as a sort of salvation
dawson on religion is as close to my own position as anyone i've read
he is beyond, a marvel
― Josh Whitehurst the endowed drummer and backing vocalist (imago), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
great great interview, thanks doran
― woof, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
cheers, i've 'pocketed' this for later reading.
― oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:31 (nine years ago) link
Excellent interview, that.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 22:22 (nine years ago) link
yes, thanks
― sleeve, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 22:25 (nine years ago) link
That's great.
― ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 22:44 (nine years ago) link
Great interview. Fascinating that he works on the lyrics for so long. Apart from maybe Leonard Cohen, I don't think I've heard someone talk about working on a lyric to a single song in that way.
― Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 23:50 (nine years ago) link
Fucking hell, that's an amazing interview.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 08:56 (nine years ago) link
just broke open a coconut and because of the cautionary tale on this album all I could think of was not to use a screwdriver under any circumstances
ftr I hit it with a big wrench and did not injure myself
― hot takes: audit in progress (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 20:37 (nine years ago) link
Who's going to the Lexington tonight?
― Unsettled defender (ithappens), Thursday, 12 February 2015 10:43 (nine years ago) link
sold out by the time I found out - but hunting a spare ticket today & strongly tempted to go along and see if can get one there
― woof, Thursday, 12 February 2015 10:52 (nine years ago) link
Ruth Flecknell We did go on a ghost hunt at featherstone but the real spirit was definitely in that bottle and the trip to haltwhistle was in my car- a helicopter would have been much more well driven! It was definitely a weird experience for the adults as well as the youngsters we took. The genius is in the way you narrate the event and from the adult perspective looking back I can see how bizarre it was on so many levels for some of the children on the periphery of events. Good luck with your tour, I will catch your next one, the tickets were sold out this time before I woke up to how in vogue you are Like · Reply · 1 · 10 February at 15:05
RICHARD DAWSON Mrs Flecknell - there will always be room for you at a gig, please remember this!Like · Reply · 10 February at 15:15
Ruth Flecknell I will. Thanks richard. You deserve your success.Like · Reply · 1 · 10 February at 15:16
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:16 (nine years ago) link
the best person. 'Mrs Flecknell'!!!
didn't get a ticket for tonight :( and scarletmist is gone :(:(
― not that sort of birdwatcher (imago), Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:27 (nine years ago) link
thinking there's no great hardship sitting in a pub for a couple of hours and keeping an ear open for spares & returns.
― woof, Thursday, 12 February 2015 13:47 (nine years ago) link