so you didn't know a few of the bits he was comparing it to - are you even going to start thinking before you type this stuff.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
Place naming has always incited ire in my heart I guess since I heard some Canucks try and do it "she blew like a Chinook down Yonge Street" or something
If you like the raga guitar of Richard, search Eric Chenaux "Worm and Gear", it's on Soundcloud. Stompy vibe? "Sweetie" from the Cerberus Shoal split w Herman Dune (no Herman on it don't worry). Deep Dark United is my favourite band ever, seek "Zut".
― fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:53 (nine years ago) link
Hey, I like Herman Dune. Grrrr.
― emil.y, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:53 (nine years ago) link
omg I did not know about that Cerebus Shoal split, I love them, thank you!
― ilx polls with striking imago (sleeve), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
I like Herman Dune too tbh! But for different reasons, different moods
― fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
Weirdly that CS/HD split is imo the best thing the Cerberus camp would do til Big Blood
― fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:57 (nine years ago) link
yh cheers, stoked to hear these. micachu mixtape was gr8 btw so ty doubly
― my shoes are deception (imago), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link
I agree that place naming can be irksome - claiming a sort of rootsy kinship in a play for perceived authenticity - but Dawson is playing with memory and its trappings, also he likes & revels in the sounds of the names a lot. Hogwhistle Hospital!
― my shoes are deception (imago), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
Didn't hear much Harry Pussy in the Dawson tracks I listened to; solo Orcutt is a different matter.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link
oh for sure, was just bringing up the HP albums is response to Orcutt's perceived "academic" qualities
― ilx polls with striking imago (sleeve), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:14 (nine years ago) link
Yeah they are pretty much the antithesis of academic albs (unless the Centre for Advanced Bill Harkelroad Studies has really taken off recently)
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
Hogwhistle?
― ewar woowar (or something), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
OMG, it has been a long time since I listened to anything by Chenaux or Deep Dark United! Should dig some up. Has Dawson ever mentioned being aware of them?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
For the record, the only Orcutt I've heard is 'A History Of Every One'. I will check out Harry Pussy. But yeah, IIRC that was an album of deconstructed standards and reminded me very much of Derek Bailey. I mean, I love and respect Bailey. He's a revolutionary and his ideas are incredible, but I listen to Dawson for very different reasons.
― quinoa: how's it spelt? (dog latin), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link
Respec' to Del
― A trumpet growing in a garden (Tom D.), Friday, 23 January 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
A gentleman and a scholar.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 January 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
Not much of a singer though
― A trumpet growing in a garden (Tom D.), Friday, 23 January 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
Nobody's perfect.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 January 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link
It's okay when Stomping Tom does it though, right?
― everything, Friday, 23 January 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link
we used to live there on vine st
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 19:21 (nine years ago) link
feel like street names should be exempt bc there are so many repeats
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
Stompin' Tom does it just fineAmericans can get away with it usually but if you hear "Dayton, Ohio 1903" and get what I mean then good
― fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
I choose to take "Dayton, Ohio 1903" as a reference to first powered flight so that I can laugh at the narrator tbh
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
think I got that interpretation from a comment on songmeanings.com, though.
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
actually, I laugh with Randy at the person that asked Randy to write that type of song, i.e. "Sing a song of long ago"
― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
listen not to belabor this orcutt stuff but listen to "judas iscariot" off the dawson album and not think of orcutt is pretty ridiculous imo
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:11 (nine years ago) link
also i really do like this album good job richard dawson ilx poll season makes me combative for no good reason i'm glad this album exists and ppl are digging it
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 January 2015 21:17 (nine years ago) link
Yes we're on the same page
― fgti, Friday, 23 January 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link
"Robert Wyatt doing George Benson" is a wonderful observation.
― charlie h, Saturday, 31 January 2015 01:33 (nine years ago) link
yeah the first thing my wife compared "The Vile Stuff" to was Wyatt
― parakeetal pancreasface (sleeve), Saturday, 31 January 2015 01:59 (nine years ago) link
An over-reliance on locations and names in lyrics is not to my taste. But: Dawson does it so much and so arrogantly I feel he's doing it deliberately to mock American songwriters who have interstates and national parks they'll namedrop without thinking about it. I mean, I think he's "taking the piss"
I think more specifically, the apocalyptic content of The Vile Stuff, wouldn't be as apparent if he didn't name all of the apostles [Thadeus, James and James Solicitors = James Son Of James, Miss Bartholemew…] so whether he's mocking or not, the list of names is kind of what the song's all about and it wouldn't work without them.
― Doran, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 10:26 (nine years ago) link
I dig this and I love the place-naming. His lyrics remind me of Nigel Blackwell although straining for a darkly surreal and wild poetic quality rather than Blackwell's comedy of the mundane.
― tayto fan (Michael B), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 10:50 (nine years ago) link
amazing detail about the apostles - I totally missed that
― Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 10:52 (nine years ago) link
well i'll be...
― rem remrum (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 14:04 (nine years ago) link
^
― pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 14:05 (nine years ago) link
Listening to this record with a bit of a wobble on this morning, s'got me all over the place, am a mess
― ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Saturday, 7 February 2015 11:59 (nine years ago) link
:)
think this might be my favourite music of the last few years. Nigel Blackwell gone art-folk makes sense as a comparison bit there's something more wide-eyed and Romantic about Dawson's outlook (not that Blackwell lacks these qualities entirely). I don't think Dawson would be overly given to snipe at things he disapproves of.
― pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Saturday, 7 February 2015 12:08 (nine years ago) link
I like the press of accumulating, involuntary and unwelcome minutiae vs. and I don't care about these thingsWhy do they remain so clear while the faces of my loved ones disappear? That's life, kid, more and more: the memories you have vs. the ones you *should* have, even want to have. But there can be a liberation or release, relief, in submitting to that, in art, at least.
― dow, Saturday, 7 February 2015 14:43 (nine years ago) link
Although he doesn't sound relieved yet. Letting it spew, though.
― dow, Saturday, 7 February 2015 14:45 (nine years ago) link
The delivery and placement of that line is so great
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 7 February 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
Olllld karate trophies
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 7 February 2015 16:04 (nine years ago) link
just listening to The Ice-Breaker Baikal on the way home, magnificent
― woof, Saturday, 7 February 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
The theme of the apostles - and other religious matters - came up in an interview I carried out with Richard Dawson last week if anyone's interested.
― Doran, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 13:53 (nine years ago) link
god's work, doran
― Josh Whitehurst the endowed drummer and backing vocalist (imago), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
He knocked on the door and my brother answered. I was frightened so I hid behind the door. I peeped around and saw that he had come in a big old dragster car (we actually had a little dragster racing board game at the time). It was parked at the end of the drive and the engine was still growling. I remember I was really scared. The Easter Bunny understood this and leaned around the door to look squarely at me. He was very serious and not like a cartoon bunny. He was a very realistic looking rabbit, but human sized and wearing quite simple clothes. He looked at me and was very solemn. Then he slowly nodded and handed me a chocolate egg. I cannot stress how melancholy an air this giant rabbit had about him. Then he got back in his dragster and roared off.
brb going to create a sort of cultish wallchart with dawson, julian cope, cardiacs, oliver postgate, dylan thomas and some others until british pastoralia leaps forth connected as a sort of salvation
dawson on religion is as close to my own position as anyone i've read
he is beyond, a marvel
― Josh Whitehurst the endowed drummer and backing vocalist (imago), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
great great interview, thanks doran
― woof, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
cheers, i've 'pocketed' this for later reading.
― oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:31 (nine years ago) link
Excellent interview, that.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 22:22 (nine years ago) link
yes, thanks
― sleeve, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 22:25 (nine years ago) link
That's great.
― ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 22:44 (nine years ago) link