Oink Invites

yes, it has a funny name, but seriously I'm not too big of a fan of Cat Power so I just found the goofiest picture I could.

IS THAT BUNNYBRAINS DOOD WITH CAT POWER

hell no thats devondra banheart

) requested username Adambedge17
b) first name (no surnames) Adam
c) age 26
d) gender male
e) geographic location Jacksonville, fl.


1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week
1) Bright Eyes- Cassadaga
2) Arcade Fire- Neon Bible
3) Stars- Do you Trust Your Friends

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
Rockism is knowing that Incubus sucks. Rockism is being excited about the new Bjork record. Rockism is buying CDs you have already downloaded because you love having the physical copy. Rockism is not doing your grad school homework done because there are just so damn many good music blogs. Rockism is about going to shows by yourself if you can't get any of your friends to go. Rockism is writing out this paragraph even though I even tons of other stuff to do because I always want to hear new good music. Rockism is being able to tell someone how Sebadoh's 'Bakesale' seriously made 8th grade so much more tolerable. Rockism is not caring about what is being played on the radio or MTV.
3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
I'll take Sufjan. At the end of the day, his music is so much more accessible. If I am feeling a certain way, I put on Sufjan to either make me feel better or make me feel worse. While I really like Deerhoof, especially Runners Four, i just can't emotionally realte to some girl singing about a midnight bicycle thief mystery...or something. Plus, when you listen to Sufjan in the Fall, as the weather is changing, and all those horn start going, and the wind chimes kick in, try to tell me you aren't totally high on life. And Sufjan's use of so many different musical instruments always impresses me. Plus, anyone endeavoring to do 50 albums about all 50 states, in the days of disappearing albums, is admirable. And when I saw Sufjan live, he was a lot better than Deerhoof was.

5) How many invites do you require?
1

Dear Admin. You lost my application first time around, which was approved. I was asked to reapply, so I reapplied, but through an incorrect and bad cut and paste of my original submission I was asked to reapply next year as my surfjan eight sentence minimum was lacking the cut and paste.

Next year?

Um, through no fault of my own, my application was first lost, then even though my original eight sentence minimum on surfjan was here on this board I was asked to wait a whole year.

So being a proactive kinda guy and thinking this was a reasonable request, I posted the application for a third time.

The response?

"Nicholas = we said next year.

Your IP now has a permanent ban placed on it.

-- Oink Administrator, Friday, 16 March 2007 17:02"

Thanks Admin, my tears are still falling, my heart is split in two, the trees seem much colder, my face seems much older and the blue sky is the blue day of misery that pervades my life.

Dear Admin. You lost my application first time around, which was approved. I was asked to reapply, so I reapplied, but through an incorrect and bad cut and paste of my original submission I was asked to reapply next year as my surfjan eight sentence minimum was lacking the cut and paste.

Next year?

Um, through no fault of my own, my application was first lost, then even though my original eight sentence minimum on surfjan was here on this board I was asked to wait a whole year.

So being a proactive kinda guy and thinking this was a reasonable request, I posted the application for a third time.

The response?

"Nicholas = we said next year.

Your IP now has a permanent ban placed on it.

-- Oink Administrator, Friday, 16 March 2007 17:02"

Thanks Admin, my tears are still falling, my heart is split in two, the trees seem much colder, my face seems much older and the blue sky is the blue day of misery that pervades my life.

Sorry, I didn't mean to post twice, just in case you think I did. Thank you and Goodnight.

hey, don't know why my cat power link did not post. It is:
http://www.newcenter.com/tastefest/2006/media/photos/MOTORCITY_CASINO_MAIN_STAGE/CAT%20POWER%20&%20THE%20MEMPHIS%20RHYTHM%20BAND.jpg

Dear "nictric,"

There are a lot of people on this thread asking for invites, and you're the only one pulling childish pranks. How do you think that influences the decision that's before us?

Thank you.

i've lost my account due to inactivity during a holiday

a. hgi
b. Hristo
c. 23
d. male
e. Bulgaria/Sofia

1) The New Mastersounds - 102% [One Note]-2007
[JMANCD.015] VA-Good Things (The Story of Saadia Records) (2007)
[SOCIALCD05] Solo Moderna - Boogalookalikes (2007)

2) Sorry my english isn't good enough to exprees my own thoughts freely so it could seem more like copy-paste in some parts but i will try to write something descent.

Rockism is an ideology originating in the bristish music press from the late 70s. It's a loaded word, partly because it means a bunch of different things in practice. Generally, the rockism's tenet is that the composser is an author who expresses himself not driven by commercial purpose and he usually is the performer also. Rockism oposes the manufactured pop music created by hired producers and performed by pop stars, designed to satisfy the mass market and make profits rather than express authentic sentiments. The use of technology like synthesizers and computer-based production systems isn't respected. Rockist's prefer the using of the basic rock instrumentation of guitars, bass guitars and drums which fits the structures of a rock and roll song.
Kelefa Sanneh writes it in a NY Times article: rockism is "idolizing the authentic old legend (or underground hero) while mocking the latest pop star; lionizing punk while barely tolerating disco; loving the live show and hating the music video."
According to Robert Christgau rockism means putting stock in rock's "capacity to change lives or express truth"—as opposed to the kinds of pop that (a rockist would say) have more of a capacity to express pretty lies. To be a rockist, then and there, was to demand a perception of honesty in pop music, no matter how much artifice that honesty involved.
Some people say that rockism is bad becouse it puts music into limits - some really good music can be called bad only couse it doesn't fit in the rockist's standard for quality music.

3)http://wendylynchphotography.com/CatPower_2.jpg

4)I really find it difficult to give an answer couse i'm not familiar with these artists (i'm mostly into funk, soul, jazz, latin, broken beat etc.) I think that it's also incorrect to say which is better couse all depends on the musical taste. That's why i won't say which is better but will try to answer which i prefer from what i've found in the net.
I definitely have liked Deerhoof more than Sufjan Stevens couse the drums are harder there and i like drums a lot. It's dificult to explain (my english is poor) simply they are closer to my taste. I can write more to fit in the 8 sentences term but it will be empty words so i won't.

5) one ivite and i will be very happy

just to prove that i'm not a leecher

http://filemp3.org/userdetails.php?id=402000

http://themixingbowl.org/userdetails.php?id=125893

a) RidanKrad
b) Jonathan
c) 23
d) Male
e) California

1) Stars - Nightsongs
She Wants Revenge - She Wants Revenge
Metric - Old World Underground, Where Are You Now

2) Rockism is to music what Minimalism is to visual art. It rejects the excesses and reduces the art down to its core features. While the name implies a traditional rock and roll style, it extends further. Artists in other genres that have successfully captured the essence of the genre in their work are also an embodiment of Rockism. In that sense, then, Rockism is less about "rock", per say, and more about cutting off excess material from music that seeks only to artificially inflate it. In other words, Rockism is about killing "filler" material, i.e. music that is music only on a technical level, lacking the creative inspiration that enlivens the artform. Thus, while it may be tempting to criticize Rockism for rejecting creativity towards trying new ideas, in actuality the opposite is true. It encourages new ideas be tried, yet it disdains feigned attempts at originality that merely serve to fill up the allotted time on an album.

3) http://www.newcenter.com/tastefest/2006/media/photos/MOTORCITY_CASINO_MAIN_STAGE/CAT%20POWER%20&%20THE%20MEMPHIS%20RHYTHM%20BAND.jpg

4) I enjoy Deerhoof its creative style that reminds me somewhat of Metric and Broken Social Scene. However, that said, I must admit that I like Sufjan Stevens more. Deerhoof's vocal work, while it's good, sometimes sounds a little too unpolished. While to some degree that is just the style that is being sought, it can get somewhat grating at times, to the point of prompting me to skip to the next track. In contrast, Sufjan Steven's seems more melodic in its style which, at least when comparing these two artists, appeals to me more. Of course, there are some exceptions. For instance, track 4 on The Avalanche, "The Vivian Girls Are Visited In the Night By Saint Dargarius and His Squadron of Benevolent Butterflies", isn't really enjoyable for me and breaks the mood that the other tracks capture so well. Still, in spite of this, on the whole, while I enjoy both artists, if forced to choose one over the other, I enjoy Sufjan Stevens more.

5) One, please.

a) Bazur121
b) Grig
c) 20
d) Male
e) Moscow

1)Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures (1979) [FLAC]
Univers Zero - Heresie (1979) [FLAC]
Blind Guardian - A Night At The Opera (2002) [FLAC]

2)Rockism is an ideology of popular music criticism, originating in the British music press in the late 1970s or early 1980s.The fundamental tenet of rockism is that some forms of popular music, and some musical artists, are more authentic than others. More specifically, authentic popular music fits the rock and roll paradigm; it is made using the basic rock instrumentation of guitars, bass guitars and drums, and fits the structures of a rock and roll song.

3)http://www.spin.com/vegoose06/images/2006/10/061028_catpowercoup_3.jpg

5)one

a) desertonfire
b) Nick
c) 19
d) Male
e) Bloomington, IN


1) Destroyer – Destroyer’s Rubies
of Montreal - Coquelicot Asleep in the Poppies: A Variety of Whimsical Verse
Voxtrot – Raised By Wolves

2) Essentially, rockism is a musical worldview (musicview?) or way of interpreting music that uses the archetypical image of rock and roll as the basis for its interpretation of all other music. Of course, “rock and roll” is a complex term itself, but however you slice it, rockism views its origins as sacred and authentic, while condemning the artificiality of mass-produced pop music as well as music that strays from the traditional sound/band structure of “rock and roll,” (e.g. music heavily relying on computerized elements instead of artist-created elements). Although rockism in its purest form is more or less non-existent and widely regarded as myopic, there are ways in which a “rockist” mentality often creeps into the mind of the average music listener unbeknownst to him. We often judge new music or sounds based on what we already know and reject unfamiliar or “weird” timbres. While I feel that rockism is somewhat of a laughable ideology and to belittle it is a bit redundant, I could use a few more sentences, so what the hell. To classify all things not “rock and roll” (again, I’m referring to the definition a rockist would use, however amorphous and contradictory it might be) as artificial and trite is a gross generalization that countless modern artists have proven wrong. Not all music using loops is commercial and reproachable. For example, I consider Gregg Gillis of Girl Talk just as much a creator or artist as any “rock and roller.” In any case, I feel that I’ve written enough now.

3) Cat Power

4) Interesting that you’ve chosen two artists who seem to defy the traditional “rockist” worldview, each in their own way. Sufjan, with his banjo and discordant, sometimes unlistenable, tinkering with song structure (see: Enjoy Your Rabbit, or just see him live… he likes to end songs with what appears to be every horn player puffing his cheeks to maximum capacity, each in a different key signature), and Deerhoof with what can only be called daring instrumental experimentation. But moving right along, a subjective question like this can really only be answered subjectively. While I enjoy both bands, I prefer Sufjan because, frankly, I’ve been listening to him longer and I’ve really formed an emotional connection to his music. Deerhoof can be entertaining depending on my state of mind, but Sufjan’s voice always seems to waft out of the speakers and stir something inside of me. Sure, some of it starts to sound the same, but if you consider the enormous body of work he’s put out in such a short time, you really can’t blame him for a few less-than-stellar efforts when there are so many good ones out there. After listening to a particularly beautiful track of his, it haunts me all day, and it really affects me. I know it’s become cool to hate on Sufjan lately, but I just won’t do it. I guess that’s what makes me fan.

5) 1

Hello OiNK,

Sorry if I sound like a tool, I was just wondering if the lack of a reply to my application is an implied rejection. The form states an answer will be given 1-3 days after posting and it's been a week since I applied and I'm just interested in knowing if I was accepted or not because not knowing is almost torture. Thank you.

-Grandepois

Well you're are not alone on that:P but as far as I understand they're having some problems with the invite system..

tobb would be correct.

We're doing the best we can. In the meantime, we appreciate your patience- keep the great applications coming!

:) :) :)

Patience has its rewards!

“He that can have Patience, can have what he will”

B. Franklin

:D

Can I reapply then? My views have changed on the deerhoof/sufjan subject.:)

I refuse to take part in this fad held by the common forum junkie. If you want to refuse me access based strictly upon this refusal, well you're entitled to that and I'll accept the rejection, but analyze it for a minute.

Dear "grandepois",

I can't say I think this attitude would translate well into our supportive pink community.

Thank you.

Hmm, you have a point there. I suppose it goes both ways though... I wasn't aware I was applying for a group of people so close minded that they would discriminate against others because an obsession with an artist isn't shared. I thought it was filled with open minded people who didn't force their beliefs upon one another. If I knew I was applying to the musical equivalent of the KKK I wouldn't have bothered. Sorry for being an asshole, keep segregating yourselves, you're good at it.

Oh and I'm well aware how immature this follow up post is. Have fun complaining about me to each other.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Disposablehero9/catpowersucks.gif
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Disposablehero9/catpowersucks.gif

Cat power sucks and really isn't hot. In every picture I've seen of her she either looks like a crack whore or looks extremely young. So that must mean all of you have disgusting fetishes, whether it be liking the anorexic type or being a pedophile, that's you're deal though and I hope you can cope with it. I just hope you all eventually kick your disgusting obsessions. Good luck.

tru

2 tru

Dear "grandepois",

Congratulations! You've passed the Oink adversity test, which probes how much musical independence you truly have!

Your invite should arrive in the next day or two.

Thank you.

First there was Gandhi, then there was Martin Luther King JR. Now a new hero emerges...grandepois. I can see it all now, "grandepois paving the way for indie kids everywhere." Yeah, I like that. Good stuff.

dont get ahead of yourself.

Dear "grandepois",

I almost feel bad now. I was just jerking your chain.

Thank you.

oh, grandepois

I was well aware of that...You were sarcastic so I thought I would play off of that, sorry I assumed you were able to sense when someone wasn't being serious. Who would seriously compare themselves to Gandhi and Martin Luther King?

grandepois, this is an A to B conversation, and you need to C your way out. Oink is not for you. Our community does not want you.

Hello Oink,
I have returned from my fishing trip...I am quite disappointed with the writhing fish at the end of my fishing line. We couldn't go to Lake Tahoe because it was snowing so we ended up in Lake Berryessa. My family only caught tiny babies and since it's Spring I'm guessing that there aren't many big fishes around.

Here's one of the fellas we caught:
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9683/apr9003ru2.jpg

And then there's Glory Hole:
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6201/apr9012xs0.jpg

better luck next time, CC.

if you have never heard of the Glory Hole before crabcigar's post and want to see more photos of it, doing a google image search for "glory hole" will not help you.

LOOOL

Oh come on, I didn't mean that Glory Hole!

haha, your unfortunate google search literally made me LOL. now the people at the table across from me are giving me strange looks. anyway, a search for "glory hole lake berryessa" yielded slightly less shocking results: http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Rk4&q=glory+hole+lake+berryessa&btnG=Search+Images

hope that helps.

crabcigar, did you eat that fish?

Nope.

did you catch and release it?

Pretty much; they were too small.

a) horselover_fat
b) ryan
c) 26
d) male
e) toronto


1) small brown bike - our own wars [1999/No Idea/mp3/256]
minisystem - madingley [2006/Noise Factory/mp3/256]
jenny piccolo - discography [2006/31G/mp3/320]

2) Rockism is a movement that was founded in the early eighties in a small suburb of toronto called oshawa. Unknowingly, as they tussled their frizzy locks cut to fit just right under their hockey helmets, blared '2 minutes to midnight' and 'rime of the ancient mariner' from their camaro's, and smoked copius amounts of shitty biker hash oil, the blue collar workers of this small burb were starting a movement. This paradigm shift in musical appreciation would echo throughout audiences worldwide, breaking down walls set up by prejudice and ignorance. Finally, it would be ok to be into dudes who dressed like chicks, and sing in falsetto with 'the guys'. It would reach so far as to influence guitar design itself, where companies such as Ibanez now designed the guitar to be as dandy as the star playing it. Some attribute this freak occurrence of cross-cultural suburban influence to, uh, bears. But it is undeniable that rockism can be seen even today throughout popular culture. It is an inevitability that once the no-wave fashionistas are tired of ripping on that, the next style to take on the dance party will be Rockism.

3) http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/030129/18144__catpower_l.jpg

4) It can be stated with pure scientific fact that sufjan stevens is indeed the second coming of Jesus Christ. One needs only to look at the sexy people that accompany him to play, pure Disciple material indeed. However, much like the first Christ, it’s pretty easy to get behind someone that says their the son of god. Sympathizing with the down-trodden American worker (‘with a pair of payless shoes’) in the lonely peninsula’s and isthmus’ of the northeast with delicate picks of a banjo and vocal harmonies is like shooting indie fish in a barrel for unit sales. And for awhile, I believed that Sufjan was my saviour, too. But album after album of that familiar formula that packs in the crystal cathedrals and concert halls began to wear thin. While harkening from the pulpit can indeed sway the congregation, once you’ve ascended to that place, whose shoes do you wear now? Mayhaps we need a Luther to bring Sufjan back to reality. Deerhoof, on the other hand, sings about the milkman. Who doesn’t like milk?

5) 1

Do you have any invites left? I'll type up an application if you give me an ok.

I was just typing the same question as RichyG....

Ender,
I am quite shocked by the fact that you mention Sufjan an equal to Christ. I am curious; would you care to elaborate further?

RichyG, belljaf:

we have plenty!

a.) Anthony
b.) Anthony
c.) 18
d.) Male
e.) Mansfield, OH, US

1) a. The Fall of Troy- Doppelganar
b. Protest the Hero- Kezia
c. +44 - When Your Heart Stops Beating
2) Rockism is an ideology about real authentic music. Many people think that "pop" music is not a true artisic expression because of the mess of recording professionals and censors that water down the music. It is merely played by the performer. Rockism is wary of the use of technology, such as synthesizers and computer programs, used in the production of pop music. Rockism is based on the notion that real music is concieved from an artist and perfomed as a form of self expression, not a public display of music for the sole purpose of monetary gain.
3) <a href=http://www.celluloidandvinyl.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/_smoking_cat_power.jpg"></a>

4) I believe that both Deerhoof and Surfjan Stevens are exceptional artists. They both creat and compose music that does not fit the mainstraim pop structure. Deerhoof has extremely erroneous song structures and Surfjan Stevens has an ambient awe about it. Both of these fine artists represent what the music scene is all about; self expression. Music as an art is a practice kept alive by creative, non-molded projects like Deerhoof and Surfjan Stevens.
5) I only require one invite.

a) whipit
b) Dan
c) 29
d) Male
e) Sydney, Australia


1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week
Umek - Monoid
Mr. Scruff - Keep It Unreal
The Crystal Method - Tweekend

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
The concept of rockism is truly unique to music. The idea of a critical discourse warped by the values of one genre or school would be more difficult to imagine in film, for example, when asked “Do you take big studio ‘popcorn movies’ more seriously than other critics?” movie critic Roger Ebert responded: “I take all movies seriously. The term ‘popcorn movie’ is the kind of journalese that one would try to avoid. Movies are either good or bad, within their genres and spheres of intention, regardless of who makes them.”
Rockism doesn’t mean much to anyone outside of the small circles of music critics, the pseudo-critics, like yours truly, and those who populate the weblogs and chatrooms of the Internet. As a term, “rockism” is as much a buzzword to the music community as “meta,” “neo-liberalism,” and “heteronormism” are to academia. In the most simple of terms, rockism is the unofficial theory that popular music of the rock ’n’ roll persuasion is inherently more authentic, worthwhile and better than others. It’s the mindset that whatever is recorded on a primitive eight track is inherently more valid and worth of serious criticism than the lip-synching pop star supported by a corporation.Rockism is essentially a prejudiced attitude to any form of popular music that doesn't conform to the values of rock music (in the most narrow and conventional sense of the term.) The most obvious example of this is the tendency of middle-aged fans of 'classic rock' to describe any music that involves the overt use of electronic instruments as not 'real music'.



3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power
Pussy Power. Guaranteed to get you what you want, every time.


4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
Not being familiar with either of these artists, i'm just going to flip a coin to decide. Best of three. Heads is Stevens, tails and it's Deerhoof. First flip, heads. Second flip, tails. Third and deciding flip, tails. So there you have it. Deerhoof is better, by a tail.

5) How many invites do you require?
One please.

Well, I wouldnt say that I said he's an equal to christ. my analogy was merely to shed light on notions of idol worship and personality cults that de facto rise out of "indie" culture...just using some free literary license yo...but if i could pander down that same road again, i'd say that what happens in indie rock is kinda similar to organized religion....people put out records, people then freak out and blog and write articles about what they think the artist was doing & meaning, and whether or not it should be played backwards or forwards, etc.. when really, people should buy music based on if they individually like it, rather than aquiesce to whomever particular publications have decided is going to sell them the most ad revenue. as if there is some sort of quantitative objective truth in opinion, as if there was one true religion. nah mean?