defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

what the hell is that?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41mDjRVwzBL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

I love the way Mordy keeps doubling down on the stupid long after his little gee-ha-ha-had on Greenwald has utterly gone wrong-side-of-history.

From the "awesome" url posted:

"A Paris jihadist spoke of turning to terror after seeing Americans torturing Iraqi prisoners on television. It is not to defend such barbarities to say they were but one side of a savage conflict. They too had a past."

defend the indefensible: torture. Right man, there was probably a really good reason for that stuff. Let's hear what it was.

"They did not express the immutable will or character of the American people."

No it wasn't "immutable." After falling all over themselves to support it and freaking out at all dissent, the American people then comfortably blamed it on Bush as soon as they realized it was a stupid move, and all talk of the overwhelming support of 2003 went bye-bye.

"A half-truth is a half-lie."

This is just too brilliant for me to mess with. Go on.

"The invasion of Iraq, however botched, had a past we falsify if we see it only as a story of Western skulduggery."

Right, there was some "good way" to do the "invasion of Iraq".

"It is a false tale, falsely told, that Israelis wantonly butcher children in Gaza."

Right "wantonly" is unfair. Buh-bye now.

"wrong-side-of-history" < i love this phrase on the left. just keep repeating it over and over and you start to feel like everyone agrees w/ you, or if they don't, at least history will vindicate yr beliefs after yr death

i don't think that greenwald is beyond criticism but that article is pretty damned stupid.

also and fuck the guy who wrote this forever:

A Paris jihadist spoke of turning to terror after seeing Americans torturing Iraqi prisoners on television. It is not to defend such barbarities to say they were but one side of a savage conflict. They too had a past. They did not express the immutable will or character of the American people. A half-truth is a half-lie. The invasion of Iraq, however botched, had a past we falsify if we see it only as a story of Western skulduggery.

yeah god forbid we have any nuance in politics, it might obscure our agenda

"vidicate yr beliefs after yr death"???? Mordy, believe it or not I don't have any ill will for you....nah, that's too steep of a belief curve to try to pitch.

So. You are a couple of years past the wrong side of history, at least, with this thread title and continued provocations. Wrong side of history chosen not by the "left", much less by me personally, but by establishment media figures: Pulitzer Prize, great reviews for the book, Oscar nomination for the movie related to the work, you get the picture. Warm relations with Steven Colbert, Rachel Maddow, Bill Moyers, Ta-Nehesi Coates, too name a few. New York Times doing cute story about his dogs. You get the picture.

You wanted to portray Greenwald as a hateful fringe figure. You lost ages ago. If you are right about him, know that you are occupying a much more lonely place than you probably imagined. Go all Nietzsche on the mountaintop (or Moses on the mountaintop, or Julie Andrews on the mountaintop) if you need to, but don't try to act like you speak for some kind of average sensible position anymore.

i think the world's had enough 'nuanced' takes on the most destructive and inexcusable act of u.s. foreign policy of the last 50 years, thx very much

vic perry, believe it or not i have no idea who you are (maybe an old poster w/ a new dn) but you have yet to offer anything interesting enough to be worth responding to so if u forgive me i'll leave you to start your own glenn greenwald thread and stay off mine.

believe it or not I don't have any ill will for you....nah, that's too steep of a belief curve to try to pitch.

like what kind of nonsense is this? sub-morbius ilx poster has ill will for me? god get over yourself.

Nope, I don't believe it, since you attacked me by name just a couple of weeks ago. Presumably you have so many fights you can't actually remember to whom you are responding anymore?

oh wow i totally know who you are now the guy who said something stupid a couple of weeks ago

Yeah I'm that guy, the vaguely anti-somethingorother blur you flail at before losing consciousness.

that was sarcasm bro.

It's okay, the internet remembers everything for you.

Anyway, is this "your" thread? You have some kind of say over who posts here, and what they say?

"You are a couple of years past the wrong side of history, at least, with this thread title and continued provocations."

i was just trying to say if it bothers you so much you don't have to hang out here

woah, i just noticed -- "continued provocations" who knows what to do w/ that. are you glenn greenwald?

You don't have any arguments, do you. Just ad hominem, not particularly clever ad hominem.

it's that time where I quote myself for levity

never got around to posting about this:
my friend who has visited brazil a couple times in the last year said that there's a local news roundtable show that greenwald appears on, but he caters his commentary and a lot of it is him strongly implying the united states is very interested in brazil's going-ons and is probably heavily spying on them

― mh, Monday, August 4, 2014 8:58 AM (5 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dude works it for his perceived audience

Brazil is the world's 5th largest country in size and population. I think I'm missing the joke.

I love the way Mordy keeps doubling down on the stupid long after his little gee-ha-ha-had on Greenwald has utterly gone wrong-side-of-history.

plenty of people find GG to be a shitty journalist, an asshole, and a self-promoting sack'o'shit but yeah, let's let history judge

Oh no, the dreaded "plenty of people". They should probably pool their resources. Or maybe they should pee in a pool.

he'd prob say the same if he lived in Tuvalu xxp

Undoubtedly I'm a troll for pointing out that you have to go speculative with that claim.

xp instead of "plenty of people" I should have said "me and my buddies"

Fair enough.

mordy, there's plenty to criticize about GG, but that thinkpiece you posted is really dumb. stop posting dumb thinkpieces. :(

as if there are smart thinkpieces

i'll leave you to start your own glenn greenwald thread and stay off mine.

Mordy occupying the thread

he'd prob say the same if he lived in Tuvalu xxp

― valleys of your mind (mh), Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:16 PM (Yesterday)

i'd be more surprised if the US govt weren't spying on brazil than if they were

as if there are smart thinkpieces

― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

once upon a blue moon...

http://gawker.com/reporter-fabricated-quotes-invented-sources-at-the-int-1756672849

there's not an intercept thread, figured this was the best place. yikes

It's the editor's fault p.s. i have cancer.

yikes, apparently the journalist sent out emails impersonating his own boss?

weirdly, this scenario kind of resonated with me as a teacher. sometimes students will get themselves in a heap of trouble and then blame some unspecified medical condition or family emergency for it, long after the fact.

Why is this in a thread about Glenn Greenwald?

there's not an intercept thread, figured this was the best place. yikes

― k3vin k., Wednesday, February 3, 2016 4:02 PM (2 hours ago)

ha ha I just discovered that one of my posts in this thread was quoted in an academic book:

https://books.google.com/books?id=ed9GAwAAQBAJ&pg=PR22&lpg=PR22&dq=digital+rhetoric+and+global+literacies&source=bl&ots=5DnuAhyso3&sig=2JadX9qlxk0Xoy7XcJx_BN8dvjw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipztatkOLKAhWG2RoKHeK2C6UQ6AEIPjAF#v=onepage&q=digital%20rhetoric%20and%20global%20literacies&f=false

THEY ARE WATCHING US

maybe this will work:

https://books.google.com/books?id=ed9GAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA300&lpg=PA300&dq=president+keyes+i+love+music&source=bl&ots=5DnuAhuli2&sig=DB7JVVtRb3WdkLMY8wl3gf-qCiQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_9cHP_uHKAhWD5BoKHT-5CtgQ6AEIQTAJ#v=onepage&q=president%20keyes%20i%20love%20music&f=false

wow lol

not sure if the author knew I was doing an interpolation of the famous Karl Rove (?) quote

you, always with the arch theorizing.

DISEMBODIED EXHIBITIONISM (President Keyes)

memoir title suggestion

I don't regularly read him or The Intercept and hadn't even realized he was based in Brazil. I thought this was a pretty good and fair-minded piece:

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/3/24/glenn_greenwald_brazils_democracy_is_under

Yep. The article is linked in that Democracy Now story

yes, i heard that on the radio yesterday.

G.G. is very smart and i like what he has to say, but i have to admit i can barely stand his iteration of the valley-girl whine/vocal fry. he sounds like cher horowitz with a lisp. :(

this guy is pretty much a trump partisan at this point

Trump's a fascist. Trump is Hitler. Trump is setting up camps. "Nothing is more disgusting" than people who throw things in protest.Glenn Greenwald added,
Claire McCaskill @clairecmc
Nothing is more unAmerican than protesters who are not peaceful. Disgusting.
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