Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young: C/D, S/D

Ah damn! Rick Rojas recently, and now this:

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RIP Dallas Taylor, classic CSNY (and Manassas) drummer. From MUSIC SCENE, 1970: http://youtu.be/F0NjZrPX-l0

Sorry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0NjZrPX-l0&feature=youtu.be

Tim Drummond too. Rule of three.

RIP

"Dallas couldn't play my shit for crap."--Neil Young, on why Taylor was fired from CSNY

He and Stills must have been tight, since he was back for Manassas, and remember too that like 90% of the instrumentation on the 1st CSN album is Taylor & Stills.

Prior to that, Taylor was in Clear Light with Cliff DeYoung, later of Shock Treatment fame.

oh yeah, Doug Lubahn, who played bass on some Doors tracks, was in Clear Light too. Interesting anecdotes in their Wiki(which also says Dallas was in a band with Lowell George), although it does refer to Danny "Kootch" Kortchmar, of The Section (James Taylor/Carole King/etc/ backing band), as an "ex-Fug," which is---news.

Anybody heard Clear Light? I only knew of their existence via Lubahn mentions in Doors coverage.

I have the Clear Light album on CD. There's some good stuff on it, and some not so good stuff on it. one of their better songs was a non-lp b-side that ended up (along with the band) in The President's Analyst.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTSf94gmmrY

Action-packed! I'll have to keep an eye out for that whole flick on TCM. Thanks.

kortchmar was a fug for pretty much all their reprise era lps, from memory (most surprising fug member: stefan grossman). i understood taylor got kicked out of csny due to his wanting his compositions included on their albums... need to check out the clear light lp sometime.

Wow! When Taylor, King and The Section got back together a few years ago, celebrating the anniversary of their early epochal tours, Rolling Stone did a big piece, with lots about the Section (incl. getting physically assaulted by Carole's terminally druggie husband, esp. after especially well-received shows: he was crazy jealous of their success, let alone Carole's). Don't think it mentioned DK's work with the Fugs (though may have); did indicate that he was more open-minded than many of his fellow mellow mafiosi. He liked punk and new wave, and I think even made some recordings (albums?) along those lines, or intended to be.

(should have edited that, sorry) Didn't Dallas also sue for royalties on Deja Vu, maybe others as well? Claiming that some of his contributions should be considered co-composing, or at least as important components of the arrangements?

In one account (the one in Shakey), Greg Reeves (the bass player on Deja Vu) was dismissed because he'd written a song he lobbied the band to record; Young was in favor, but Crosby felt he was just a sideman would overstepped his bounds. Another report (the one in his wiki says Stills fired him because Reeves flipped out on drugs and thought himself to be an Apache witch doctor.

Only room for ONE drug casualty who thinks he's an apache witch doctor, eh Stills?

"That guy's eatin my lunch!"

I never thought of this until looking at that 'river' clip but Neil Young and David Byrne share a certain facial resemblance when they sing, although the haircuts obscure it.

Somebody's gotta be an Apache witch doctor: bottom line.

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/rolling-stone/168-1.jpg

"We got a lot of little teenage blue eyed groupies
Who do anything we say
We got a genu-wine Indian Guru
Who's teaching us a better way
We got all the friends that money can buy
So we never have to be alone
And we keep gettin' richer but we can't get our picture
On the cover of the Rollin' Stone"

Just remembered another weird thing--Taylor, seen below on the back cover of the CSN debut, was photoshopped off said cover when it was given the expanded remaster treatment in the mid-2000's.

http://www.lpvinylmusic.com/images/csn.jpg

I got this box for my dad for Xmas and after he burned it to his computer he gave the physical thing back to me and I listened to the whole thing over the long wknd and man...as much as I love Neil, I cannot hang with CSN.

And speaking of Stills ego-gems: I also rewatched the Neil "American Masters" ep (it is up on YouTube) and Stills is talking about "Ohio" as being "almost as good as "For It What's Worth", Neil basically tried to do the same thing I did...I always thought it needed another verse to be great but what do I know?"

"Almost as good"

what does he know indeed

There was a piece on CSN cover photographer Henry Diltz on TV yesterday where he told this story:

On the cover the members are, left to right, Nash, Stills, and Crosby, for no particular reason, the reverse of the order of the album title. The photo was taken by their friend and photographer Henry Diltz before they came up with a name for the group. They found an abandoned house at 815 Palm Avenue, West Hollywood, across from the Santa Palm car wash that they thought would be a perfect fit for their image. A few days later they decided on the name “Crosby, Stills, and Nash”. To prevent confusion, they went back to the house a day or so later to re-shoot the cover in the correct order, but when they got there they found the house had been reduced to a pile of timber.

but when they got there they found the house had been reduced to a pile of timber.

taylor had to be the prime suspect

Croz fell asleep with lit cigarette iirc

haha i love the idea that everyone's been listening to "Ohio" all these years and being like, man song's okay but you know another verse that would really put it over the top

"coulda used a bridge that was all nash n me going 'dee dee doo deeeeeee!'"

this is the dude who said McCartney should stop using the Hofner bass or some shit

think i said it elsewhere, but listening to some of that buffalo springfield stuff you can see why stills could get away with his insane braggadocio. though i don't think he actually delivered on it, at the time he must've seemed wildly talented -- guitar hero, versatile singer, skilled producer, songwriter, etc. not sure who else was quite the entire package -- maybe mccartney is the only real comparison!

In Stills world that's probably high praise!

"Hey Neil you did something that was almost as good as something I already did!"

as opposed to "Bob's no musician"

Xxpost, speaking of which you practically feel Stills thinking "man finally doing this song right!" when they do "Blackbird"

this is the dude who said McCartney should stop using the Hofner bass or some shit

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, July 6, 2015 11:46 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha yeah that's as great one, i think he said "we need to get you a real bass" or something lol

Internet killed Dallas Taylor again today.

think this is the first time he's died?

The rock drummer was a key sideman for Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. He played at Woodstock, appeared on seven top-selling albums and bought three Ferraris. He also stabbed himself in the stomach with a butcher knife and drank so heavily that he required a liver transplant in 1990, five years after becoming sober.

http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-dallas-taylor-20150119-story.html

oh lol, you're right, 2015...

welp

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/graham-nash-i-dont-want-anything-to-do-with-david-crosby-20160308

"I don't like David Crosby right now. He's been awful for me the last two years, just fucking awful," Nash said. "I've been there and saved his fucking ass for 45 years, and he treated me like shit. You can't do that to me. You can do it for a day or so, until I think you're going to come around. When it goes on longer, and I keep getting nasty emails from him, I'm done. Fuck you. David has ripped the heart out of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young."

"The truth is, after being totally immersed in me and David and Stephen and Neil's music, I'm done. I've had 10 years of it. Leave me the fuck alone. I need to concentrate on me now."

...he said as he put on a robe and prepared himself for a House Hunters binge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOnZXeHRl40

sad

I'm sure he's had his moments given what a massive drama queen that band collectively is. But Nash seems like a genuinely good guy. Any sense of what he's mad at Crosby for? It sounds like the Croz did something directly to Nash.

According to Ultimate Classic Rock: "Passages that Crosby says were fabricated from Nash’s 2013 memoir Wild Tales: A Rock & Roll Life appear to have soured their relationship. “Graham’s book is full of inaccuracies and chock-full of misinformation,” Crosby said. “When he handed an advance copy to me, he said, ‘It’s too late to change anything, but here it is.’ I was very unhappy about it. It’s a very shallow, very self-serving book, and full of BS."

Apparently Nash was angry at Crosby's harsh words about Neil Young's relationship with Daryl Hannah, whom Crosby termed a gold-digger.

Well, he said that it was something personal beyond the Hannah stuff. But, over a memoir? I find that almost hard to believe. Yet at the same time, so very CSN(and sometimes Y).

He said something nasty? He did something nasty? He said something about something nasty he did?

It's Mr. Crosby if you're nasty...

Lol

Just heard "Carrie Anne" and was inspired to come back to thread to see if there were any new, just breaking developments.

One bar of "Carrie-Anne" or "Look through Any Window" is worth the entire run of CSN.

One note of "Bus Stop" or even "On a Carousel."

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