ILX Gonna Shine in My Backdoor Someday (new post-Fahey folk for ppl posting in Takoma/Tompkins Square threads Pt II)

Could be a great thread focused on music that shows this influence. As Neal astutely points out: "The entire dhrupad facet of raga playing is probably the most referenced style in the experimental community". There are whole bands who kind of sit in that territory for large chunks of time, Pelt certainly being one of them.

ILX Nu-Raga 2015

are we talking about the kidn of thing that's happening on pelt's road to catawba?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5GS9dule1o

aw shit sorry for the embed...

No big deal, and yeah, that whole searching lead-up thing is pretty much it.

how do you just post a youtube link again? i thought having the s in the https did it ...?

haha i know i feel like it took be so long to figure out how to embed but now i just want to link and i can't remember how to do it

Hit the "Show Formatting Help" link below, but you can simply bookend the links with ... to provide them directly.

Hah! It didn't display the text/code, just the ellipsis representing "content", sorry. There are url tags that allow you to post a linkable url in the text, so yeah, hit the "Show Formatting Help" link and it'll show you the options.

you can also test yr posts out over on the HTML Playground board, or here:

I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT THIS SO I'M PUTTING IT HERE

Nathan Bowles live on WTJU right now (with Elisa Ambrogio as well). Show will be archived for a couple weeks but tune in now if you can:

http://www.wtju.net/

thx for the heads up. tuning in...

Man, so psyched for the Elisa/Nathan/Chris Forsyth & Solar Motel Band show tonight. Holy crap.

have fun, totally jealous

Oh man, should be a blast. Hopefully my taping buddy will be there with his A+ game in tow!

ohh yes please

I will report back and try to get the relevant parties to pony up any recordings if they happen, there is a pretty high probability it'll happen.

u wouldn't happen to have a recording of the Michael Hurley show at Twisted Branch, would you? it was a while ago...

Nah, I do not. When was it? It is possible my buddy was there, but the only Hurley I remember was in like 1999 at The Prism. I must have been out of town (or living somewhere else) when that happened. I can check with my buddy though.

thanks! always looking for Hurley boots

fyi on embedding

HTTP: will embed video
HTTPS: will embed video

WWW (without http): will not embed video
NO URL PREFIX AT ALL (youtube.com/x): will not embed video

Based on some testing I did a few weeks back, these were the results. Best bet for me was to not any reference http(s) at all.

Sorry that I slept on those responses, gonna head back to the raga talk real quick --

Sleeve got it down in regards to what the alap of a raga is. The improvised 'intro' that is explored before to the performer heads into the 'composed' section of the piece. I put composed in quotes bc the latter half of a raga is still a variation of improvisation. An alap is much more clear in instrumental pieces. If percussion is used, the alap ends when the tabla starts to kick in. Dhrupad is all vocal, and is known for being incredibly slow. So slow that it was kinda lauded. Which I didn't see until reading that ZM Dagar wiki marcos posted above. ZM's son said "Dhrupad? Who'll listen? Rudra veena? Play something else. Long alaaps? So boring!"

The Dagar family's alap performances feel pretty monochromatic, there isn't tons of drastic changes in pitch. Slightly down a half note, slight up a half note, over and over. There's a couple instances where Jack Rose references loving the Dagar's, so that style of raga seems particularly influential to the direction of Pelt and similar groups.

There is quite a variation in how ragas are played, I didn't really discover the Dagar type stuff until after listening to Ali Akbar Khan and similar instrumental performers. I uploaded to YouTube a Dagar alap from this really great comprehensive overview of 1950's classical Indian music. This 3LP boxset that is apparently the first official release to reach serious western audiences, was first put out in 1955.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=unpzOat1JsA
The rest of the boxset is here:
http://broadcastsfrompoorfarm.tumblr.com/post/32723337445

Oh wait :)
I thought "to laud" meant to disapprove of.

That's very informative and thorough -- thank you!!

Defiantly, I by no means know much beyond the basics, but all it takes is a person who can slowing introduce the components of a raga and anyone should be able to understand. They say most beginners start out with the raga called yaman, it's a good introductory raga. IE Jack Rose's "Yaman Blues"

This English guy here that I found on youtube is really good at communicating the intentions of playing raga yaman for guitar; clear and subdued.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUBvPtCSMI0

Promo vid for Seasonal Hire is sounding hot, I can't wait for this.

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Even though the press release warns us about the changes I really didn't expect this to sound like that. Tbh I'm not 100% ruling out the possibility that I'm listening to someone else's album.

yah i don't know how to feel about that

one good thing about this type of music (this thread's type of music) is man, writing lyrics is tough, or writing good lyrics is tough

Yeah, writing lyrics is definitely not in the cards for everyone. Gunn pretty impressive in how well he incorporated them.

Show last night was great. Gotta say the highlight for me was Nathan Bowles, his stuff from the new record all translated incredibly well live (much of which I had heard him nail before) and the final track on the record was so transportive I started grinning goofily at the majesty of it. Primo stuff. The song Tom Carter joins in with on the record was augmented by Elisa live, which was very cool. I imagne as the tour goes on that song will continue to expand and get pretty righteous.

Elisa was really good, but this was the first show of the tour and I think she is still figuring out how to inhabit the songs live a bit. Nathan played drums on pretty much all of them, but the songs themselves were pretty straight, not much of the usual Elisa/Magik Markers style guitar throwdowns, but nice to hear the songs work as songs. I imagine her sets will open up a bit down the line as well, as they are touring together for 3 weeks. Would definitely like to see where they end up by the end of the tour.

Forsyth and band were really good, started off super hot then maintained a pretty good energy throughout. "Ballad of Free Hollow" and "Intensity Ghost" both highlights, but the "Calvary Cross" cover probably was my favorite moment. The new guitarist fit right in and played some cool stuff (definitely more varied rhythm work, taking the jams in some new territories), but for some reason I still miss the Paul touch, he and Chris had really complimentary styles. Nick was definitely a good foil though, I am sure they are gonna be a good tandem too. The rhythm section was super good throughout, really is a pleasure seeing them play. Peter Kerlin especially played some really amazing passages, might be my favorite part of the band.

All of these sets were recorded, but not sure when I'll get em or how well the recordings will come out. We'll see.

thx for the report! dug hearing bowles and ambrogio play together on the radio together, an interesting combo for sure.
and yeah as you know, i hope a tape surfaces....
more 2015 steve gunn news -- a split LP on three lobed w/ kurt vile
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B62P2xqCYAA-OgH.jpg

me & global's show w/paul metzger is tonight! pretty excited, have practiced to the all-important point of being totally sick of all my songs

Hah, good luck man! Wish I could make that.

another guy from minneapolis, sounds like he's been around, opened for peter lang, kottke apparently had him open a whole tour...phil heywood

real pretty stuff on the kottke end of the spectrum, love the melodies on this

....www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsTvw7CkoRs....

global and i had our show with paul metzger last night, super fun night, global had made some nice fliers and hung them up (btw one person i know was there because of that flier just so you know global they were worth it)

but yeah really good crowd, basement lounge of the turf club was really full. i felt like i played a pretty good set, did a couple new ones that went well, global was great...but maaaaan metzger really floored me, the crowd was dead silent just rapt at attention....i capture a bit of it with my phone, not the best quality and i reached my file limit right before it got super great, this is a more mellow part of the set (he played about 45 minutes straight no breaks) - the percussive part he starts at about the 4 minute mark is really fantastic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ0DEKTKo0s

haha ok honestly this embed thing i put those [url] tags in...

metzger is incredible, three improvisations on modified banjo is one of my favorite records in this type of music

Last night he just blew me away I would love to have a good recording of it

he was insane, my favorite was the microtonal shit he was doing in tandem with the bow, coaxing out all kinds of harmonic frequencies up and down the neck. so good. probably the best set i've seen him do

May not be totally appropriate for this thread, but since W Tyler produced it and it's out on PoB, thought I'd mention that the Jake Xerxes Fussell album is really strong. Been listening to that one on repeat. Great guitar playing, natch, but more blues-derived than anything mentioned here lately.

i see he's on paradise of bachelors which that label is pretty much gold in terms of this thread, had not heard of him, thanks

gotta check out metzger -- where should I start?
and yeah digging that xerxes fussell record. feels like a grower.

q: when you guys perform, i gather that you have songs and practice. when you get up there, what does it feel like when you start playing? do you get to a point where you feel you're in a/the zone or are you fully conscious of your movements? other?

global and ums -- you're both relatively new at this iirc, and i am curious about the experience for personal and professional reasons. if you don't want to post for privacy or crap up the thread, pm is a-ok.
any responses (esp from beginners) appreciated. it's for work lol!

i'm generally pretty nervous performing, i guess sometimes i feel like i'm playing better than others, but not really "in the zone" or unselfconscious sadly

i used to feel more in the zone playing bass in a band though, more people onstage with you and the loudness and drums cover up a lot of sins, doing straight acoustic fingerpicking is pretty high on the list of live music where fuckups are totally glaring

but overall i do enjoy it and i feel like the process of practicing and then performing in front of a crowd no matter how small is worth weeks or months of practice at home IMO

gotta check out metzger -- where should I start?

i'd start with three improvisations (2005) and go to deliverance (2007)

also in a way, actually searching youtube for metzger, you can find some decent filming and sound quality concerts from europe and stuff, but he's kind of amazing to watch as well as listen to and i honestly didn't get in to him nearly as much before i saw him live

thanks! interesting variations in the answers i'm getting too!

just posted a new recording. I hope to get serious about recording an album this year and so i bought a new recording set up.

***jimmywine avert your eyes***

this is the bundle I bought from B&H Photo, it's got pretty much everything you need for $259 -- mic, stand, Focusrite USB mic interface, DAW, XLR cable.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=869051&gclid=CjwKEAiAxNilBRD88r2azcqB2zsSJABy2B96YTyYG44sxmgJZ_5nOMYMwwGgMIiMS3WQLxHwvWM2-hoCYOvw_wcB&is=REG&Q=&A=details

****gear talk over*****

but anyway this is a song I've always felt really good about it, it just flowed very easily when I was writing it, almost felt like it wrote itself and it's just a very simple melody that I like. I posted this in the old thread but I listened to that version and was a phone recording and I was playing it way too quickly and rushed feeling. This is slower and the sound quality is better, though I'm still working out the new equipment etc.

anyway as always any feedback welcome esp as this was more a recording test (this is probably my easiest song to play so it's good for doing as a recording test song when i'm figuring out mic placement, how all this software and hardware works, etc)

http://soundcloud.com/matthew-lee-helgeson/new-setup-test-compressed

Sounding really good UMS, pacing nice and relaxed and recording is crystal clear. This kinda thing works really well for me, keep rolling em out like this and I am fully on board.