What, like the two cops shot this morning isn't being played up?
― Nhex, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
Cops being in danger is the crux of what they want people to think this is about, so of course its fair game for them. However if civilians get hurt as as a direct result of the tactics they're using to protest, then they've put the lives of the people they're meant to protect in harms way just to make a political point which is horrible PR.
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link
I was under the impression that it was about money. Less fines etc. = less money for city hall to play with.
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, January 6, 2015 2:43 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm, it's all about this afaik
― marcos, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
cities and states rake in a FUCK TON of money from fines/fees/penalties. years past boston brought in something like $70 million worth of parking ticket fees. i know that's not a police-enforced area but imagine if parking attendants stopped enforcing that shit?
― marcos, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link
doubt this will go anywhere but good on them for trying: http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Group-seeks-new-grand-jury-in-Ferguson-police-5997288.php
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:37 (nine years ago) link
exactly why that shit should not be counted on as a revenue source. xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
protect and serve the bottom line
juking the stats and all that
"givin' a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck", etc. etc.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 21:09 (nine years ago) link
wow. i guess it wasn't mentioned on this thread, but remember that story from a few days ago where the off-duty NYPD cop assaulted a MTA employee in the middle of the night and then walked away? look at how the story was covered by the New York Daily News, before and after they realized the assaulter was a cop:
The hilarious coda to this story is the treatment of this story in the news by the New York Daily News. Here’s the headline from the story they wrote before they knew that the culprit was a police officer:THUG ATTACKS FEMALE MTA EMPLOYEE AT BRONX TRAIN STATION: COPS (VIDEO)A hulking brute grabbed a 28-year-old MTA employee up in a bear hug at a Bronx train station, shoved her onto the platform and began choking her in an unprovoked attack – then ran away smiling, authorities said Wednesday.Here’s the story after they found out that the culprit was a police officer:NYPD COP TURNS HIMSELF IN FOR ATTACKING FEMALE MTA EMPLOYEEPolice Officer Mirjan Lolja, 37, was suspended after the assault in which the Metropolitan Transportation Authority worker — who was on-duty and in her uniform — was allegedly put into a bear hug, thrown to the floor and choked, cops said.
THUG ATTACKS FEMALE MTA EMPLOYEE AT BRONX TRAIN STATION: COPS (VIDEO)
A hulking brute grabbed a 28-year-old MTA employee up in a bear hug at a Bronx train station, shoved her onto the platform and began choking her in an unprovoked attack – then ran away smiling, authorities said Wednesday.
Here’s the story after they found out that the culprit was a police officer:
NYPD COP TURNS HIMSELF IN FOR ATTACKING FEMALE MTA EMPLOYEE
Police Officer Mirjan Lolja, 37, was suspended after the assault in which the Metropolitan Transportation Authority worker — who was on-duty and in her uniform — was allegedly put into a bear hug, thrown to the floor and choked, cops said.
http://wonkette.com/570758/smirking-thug-who-attacked-lady-subway-worker-was-an-nypd-cop-surprise
― ♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link
funny how the word "allegedly" materialised after they realised the perp was a cop
― Rallsballs@onelist.com (stevie), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
btw NYPD union head Pat Lynch says that December protestor chants of "What do we want? Dead cops" (certainly vile) should've been tamped down by deBlasio. Cuz obviously, ppl chanting such things take their orders from da mayor!
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link
xpost also the switch from active to passive voice.
― ♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link
― marcos, Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's about this and it's also a shot across the bow. The cops are saying "we can fuck up your administration, DiBlasio." You have to understand it in context of New York City's recent history with crime and the mayor's office, with Dinkins having been perceived as not having the city under control (probably wrongly) and then Giuliani and Bloomberg coming in and "cleaning up the city." The right has been stoking fears since DiBlasio first entered the mayor's race that the city would return to chaos under his administration. The cops are basically saying "get with our program, or else we can fuck things up for you." A lot of people right now are gloating about how it hasn't "made a difference" that cops aren't doing low level arrests, but given time believe me it would make a difference in the ways that your average complainy new yorker would complain about.
― man alive, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link
your average complainy new yorker
so, all of them?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
p much yeah, like if the perception in an election year were that there was more graffiti, more homeless guys sleeping on trains/pissing on sidewalks, more people blasting loud music, etc. that could definitely tip the scales against DiBlasio even if the homicide rate doesn't go up.
― man alive, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
The revenue is also something that is not going to be felt instantly, but would have an impact if prolonged.
― man alive, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
Do you really think, given the way this is playing out, that people would blame DiBlasio rather than the nonparticipant cops for the increased graffiti or loud music? I'm reminded of, like, Gingrich and company shutting down the government - to anybody on the fence the Republicans were transparently petty, childish and vindictive. Things like this will also not help the police's case here: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/nypd-rides-hood-patrol-car-brooklyn-article-1.2066644
What I'm missing in the articles I've read is a stronger cross-reading of the shutdown events with the issues this thread deals with. I'm probably talking out of my ass here, but I'd imagine at least some communities are thrilled the police aren't going around citing people for petty shit all the time. I mean, basically, if the police were pulling this stunt a few months ago, Eric Garner would still be alive, so, maybe they should stick with this thing, save some lives.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:02 (nine years ago) link
much of Queens and Staten Island in particular pretty damn pro-cop and pro-"QoL"
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link
also all these new Brooklynites who think bar patios should close by midnight on weekends
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link
I thought it was the old brooklynites who wanted that
― man alive, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
all the bars serving old people closed.
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
in places like Carroll Gardens it was usually the old Italian Catholics trying to tamp down on bars, not the newcomer yuppies, but IDK maybe now there's a wave of more conservative yuppies.
― man alive, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
Do you really think, given the way this is playing out, that people would blame DiBlasio rather than the nonparticipant cops for the increased graffiti or loud music?
I guess the best I could say is, maybe? He came in already with the perception that he was weak on crime, that's the whole reason he even hired Bratton in the first place. So it could stick to him.
― man alive, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
except you can't blame him for being "weak on crime" when cops are refusing to make arrests of their own volition.
nyt had a good editorial about all this.
for "tough guys" cops seem to have the thinnest skin imaginable. i've never seen "professionals" behave so childishly en masse over what is largely a perceived greivance. (i'm not talking about the assassination of two cops, which was all too real, but the supposed lack of support from City Hall.)
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
i should say, largely an imagined greivance
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/12/us/albuquerque-police-murder-charges/index.html
― how's life, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 12:59 (nine years ago) link
It's unclear if Perez is still on the force.
haha ok um really well oiled machine they're running there....
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/15/1357973/-Undercover-officers-infiltrate-BlackLivesMatter-protest-movement-in-Minnesota-charge-leaders
― goole, Thursday, 15 January 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
"The cost to the taxpayers of Bloomington for the police overtime and additional police resources of other communities currently exceeds $25,000," it says. "The cost to the MOA for the additional security needed to maintain public safety during the demonstration currently exceeds $8,000."
this is basically extortion. having been on the receiving end of just such a notice myself, it's totally infuriating. they just tell you you owe them money, even though you have not been ordered by a court to do so, or been convicted of a crime.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 January 2015 20:37 (nine years ago) link
"aiding and abetting an unlawful assembly"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 15 January 2015 21:35 (nine years ago) link
jfc
http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2015/01/police-use-video-as-sympathy-propaganda-media-bait/
― 龜, Monday, 19 January 2015 12:13 (nine years ago) link
Do the police behave this way with any demonstration? Of course not.
I'm coming to the conclusion that a lot of police are just morons. When you pull shit like this, you're essentially saying you, the police, ought to run the community. And you have a national audience doing this. We should all feel threatened by the bad behavior we've seen from police across the country.
― SCOTTISH PEOPLE ONLY (I M Losted), Monday, 19 January 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ex-nypd-made-life-living-heil-article-1.2086167
― how's life, Thursday, 22 January 2015 15:17 (nine years ago) link
they were probably just angry about gaza
― Mordy, Thursday, 22 January 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
Terrible pun in the url there
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Thursday, 22 January 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link
goys will be goys
― Sounds like a forks display name (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 22 January 2015 15:38 (nine years ago) link
not US, but http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/22/met-police-warren-luke-cleared-kicking-mother-child-hospital
― #Research (stevie), Friday, 23 January 2015 13:48 (nine years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/16/us/florida-black-male-sniper-targets/
― 龜, Friday, 23 January 2015 14:27 (nine years ago) link
Wow, that NYPD article. Do they engage in hazing and justify this stuff as part of that?
Once again, NYPD: your behavior affects how police are regarded across the country. If you can't recognize that, you shouldn't have a job.
― SCOTTISH PEOPLE ONLY (I M Losted), Friday, 23 January 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link
This is hardcore
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/25/florida-police-used-mugshots-of-black-men-for-target-practice-clergy-responded-usemeinstead/?hpid=z5
― how's life, Sunday, 25 January 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
This is a wonderful response.
― Let me help you out Charlie XCX fan (DJP), Sunday, 25 January 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link
Good for the clergy, and holy shit on that practice. I'm also kind of boggled at the odds of one of the mugshots being the brother of the National Guardswoman who discovered this, but that's a secondary-level shock/putting myself in her shoes.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 25 January 2015 18:57 (nine years ago) link
That should tell you more about the criminalization of black life than anything else
― Let me help you out Charlie XCX fan (DJP), Sunday, 25 January 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link
nice
― Sounds like a forks display name (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 January 2015 05:30 (nine years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/26/opinion/charles-blow-at-yale-the-police-detained-my-son.html
― Andy K, Monday, 26 January 2015 13:21 (nine years ago) link
How could a Yale student "fit the description" of a burglary suspect? I'll bet he doesn't. What horseshit, I hope the ACLU gets involved or they sue. It's not likely that a white Yale student would have a DEADLY WEAPON pointed at them.
― SCOTTISH PEOPLE ONLY (I M Losted), Monday, 26 January 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link
How could a Yale student "fit the description" of a burglary suspect?
one guess
― A Severus of Snapes (contenderizer), Monday, 26 January 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
going with "ascot"
― Sounds like a forks display name (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 January 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link