http://news.com.com/2100-1025-1023629.html
We're not really profiting from posting Mr. Evil Stevem's pictures though, so I think we're more likely to fall under fair use.
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:13 (twenty years ago) link
No worries, Allyl. Somethingawful.com, UNLIKE THE ABOVE STEVEM, knows the way of the .htaccess issue, and has a very clever way of dealing with it.
They just replace external image links to a link to a huge pic of a swollen cumming cock-head. Thee best way to teach a lesson, and come out look K-COOL (if not K-CRUEL)
Just ask Chris V.
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris V (Chris V), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:30 (twenty years ago) link
"And take your sucky Jr. High photogirl pictures with you you skinny white Ho."
― ModJ (ModJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:35 (twenty years ago) link
Isn't the problem here that he pays for bandwidth, so if we use his bandwidth then it's costing him money? Or do I misunderstand?
Yeah, but I use his bandwidth by looking at the picture in its original setting too. Much more of it, in fact.
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link
― ModJ (ModJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.wasteoftechnology.com/motw/williamatherton/peck.jpg
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/peck.jpg
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago) link
ilx in a nutshell
― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link
Actually he stated numerous times that he didn't give a shit about that so honestly I'm not 100% sure what his issue is besides people seeing his picture without him getting a counter hit on his website. I'd understand more if it was the bandwidth thing, though not really why he was dealing with it in such a fashion (the same shit happens to me all the time and I just don't even give a fuck to be honest, like as been pointed out it's really easy to fix if I cared about it).
― Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 20:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 20:46 (twenty years ago) link
On the one hand the "other" stevem says he complained when the found out somone was leeching (his word not mine, but mighty appropriate) from their site. And the reason that the he was upset? Because he wasn't getting CREDIT for his work. And you guys say you don't understand what my issue is. I want credit for my work! DAMNIT! I want control of how my artistic output is used. It's my right to have both of those! But then the other stevem goes on to say that rather than leeching now he copies the images and serves them off his web server, and that he *might* (though likely not) stop using the image if the owner comlained. So he's willing to ask someone to stop using his work or give him credit, buy may not afford somone else that same courtesy? Internally inconsistent.
Regarding the bandwidth issue. Just because your message board didn't tax my bandwidth means it is okay to "leech" some of it? By this (failed) logic the next time you go to the ATM and take out a hundred bucks from your overflowing bank account, you won't mind if I reach into your wallet and extract a 20 dollar bill?
It is precisely this attitude of entitlement and open flouting of legal and ethical behavior that I find so offensive. The hypocritical element is just frosting on your cake of moral turpitude. Have you people never heard of the Golden Rule? Did your mommy fail to teach you that it's wrong to take something from somone (even if they have plenty) without their permission? Did your daddy somehow forget to teach you that stealing is wrong? Someone absolutely forgot to impart empathy or responsibility upon you... But judging by your moral development, you're only 10 years old, so there's still hope.
― Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:00 (twenty years ago) link
It's the WORLD WIDE WEB. If you don't want people linking to your images, this is a bad place to keep them.
To paraphrase Chuck D, it's like dropping a whole bunch of M&Ms and freaking out when people pick them up.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:04 (twenty years ago) link
When Julia Child and The People's Court combine efforts.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago) link
― kephm, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago) link
As it is, I now *strongly* wonder if he tries this same sort of tactic every time for every potential link he's gotten.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:20 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.deansabatino.com/images/portfolio/portfolio_richard.gif
― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link
But no, you guys can't take a hint. You've collectively downloaded that big ass file more than 1200 times since August. at a toal bandwidth utilization of about 3.3GB. My site generally pushes about 4 or 5gb+ a day... That's why it's colocated. Regardles of your bandwidth consumption (which would have been significantly lower if you had got the little 640x480 image you were requesting), you are not entitled and have not been granted permission to use my images or bandwidth... Yes, it really is the principle of the matter.
Then when I started looking around and saw how casually and OFTEN you guys steal images, I couldn't believe my eyes! And then there was this "fuck you" attitude of "it's our right to take from you whatever we want" that just amazed me!
So check this shit out... I know you all think I'm whacked outta my gourd... Even if I am whacked outta my gourd, What I'm saying about copyright and usage is real. So here's the real deal:
if you are interested in understanding copyright laws/issues:
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
pay special attention to the section on inlining in this link:
http://www.templetons.com/brad/linkright.html
It really is a good idea for your guys to responsibly address this issue. Add a link to the front page of the site that says "click here to protest the use of your content" or some such thing. And then nicely remove any protested content. Instead of inlining images, post links to html pages so the owner, creator, person doing the work, gets credit. Ask permission if you want to use an image. Probably 98% of the time, the owner will say, fine. I've only turned down one request for using one of my images, and that guy was a stock broker! Grow up be responsible, put money in a savings account, use condoms when bumping uglies, Don't run with scissors in your hand, don't play leapfrog with unicorns. stop and smell the kine buds... Live love and prosper...
Just don't steal my fucking shit! ;\
― Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:33 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:36 (twenty years ago) link
fitter, better, happier....etc
and to quote A Fistful of Yen, "Visit a dairy, and learn how milk is made!"
― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:39 (twenty years ago) link
Your objections/position/suggestions have been noted.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:41 (twenty years ago) link
This is also regardless of it happening on thousands of other web forums, its wrong there also i would say. Though this does raise the following issue. if the boardowner is to be held responsible for this, does that mean that i, if i so wish, could i post a million of steves pictures to a board i didnt like, in order to get them into trouble? (i dont wish to do this, but it interests me how much responsibility the siteowners must take (of course yahoo ran into a similar problem with their groups thing)
also, i think the majority of the pictures here (not on this thread, which i havent seen until now, but on the board in general) are actually taken from members own sites (there are a lot of people on this board, a tiny minority of which are on this thread).
― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:48 (twenty years ago) link
― NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:04 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.shooter.net/folsom%20street%20fair%202003/source/17.html
― Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:10 (twenty years ago) link
i've found alt-stevem's lecturing on copyright and ownership dull, familiar, predicatble and patronising as i suspect we all have. as if we were not aware of the 'rules' when posting images on here (stealing/sharing copyright material)...does he not realise many people just don't care about that even though they're aware of the law. okay so the issue is settled now and the complaint was only made on a matter of (petty imo) principle but i hope i at least clarified my position, however wrong you may deem it to be - though i reserve my right to change my mind obv. - maybe this should've been a new thread already.
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:14 (twenty years ago) link