NIN -- _Year Zero_

This describes almost any NIN song. Dude's lyrics are atrocious, but I'm not going to fault the guy. They sound like the bad diary-entry monosyllabics that a 13-year-old would find amazing. And--guess what--that's who the target audience is! So, more ["YOU KNOW ME... I HATE EVERYONE!] power to him. (PS, I found his lyrics amazing when I was 13)

I don't get the lyrics issue at all. What do you think about vocals in a language you don't understand?

Seriously, would you want a whole album about how you're too busy playing Halo 3 to go score with models?

WAHT

I'm by no means a NIN fan, haven't even heard all of With Teeth, but "Only" fucking rules. It's like Trent's version of LCD Soundsystem.

Who else would?

I'd say it's more like Trent's version of "New Sensation" but it does fucking rule (if he ever made a whole album of pottymouth INXS I'd kiss him on the lips).

OTM! he really needs to just let his death-disco muse go nuts!

Stepping gingerly around the steaming pile of Fergie you left over there, this is is OTM all the way. But it ain't just the lyrics. It's the whole vibe/sound/aesthetic. Gives me tooth-hurty art-pain in extremis.

I don't want to own the black velvet painting of the sad 'n' sexy goff girl hanging on a cross (mechanical unicorn in the background?).

I don't want the black rubber recliner with chrome stirrups for my living room.

I don't have any abiding interest in serial killer memerobilia or black 52.

So, why would I relate to this band? Agree that Reznor's productions usually sound FANTASTIC, and not-so-secretly love a few tunes.

I find it weird people have a problem with Reznor because his lyrics are bad. Especially with some of the other shit people here seem to listen to.

ps: hardly any of the people that i know that like NIN, myself included (or at least, it's been a while), self-identify as "goth". and even so, so what? i totally love my chemical romance, but i sure as hell ain't gonna start wearing black wristbands and cutting myself.

Just pointing out that the defining aesthetic bugs. (And I was so hoping that NIN != goth thing wouldn't pop up. Silly me.)

On the other hand, I like Motorhead and I like the Motorhead aesthetic.* Not the same thing, of course, but mysteriously related? You be the judge...

* In my shame I have to admit that I passed on the offical demon-dog-head throw pillows (LEMME) last time I was at Ikea.

Even if Trent was secretly listening to the New Riders of the Purple Sage and collecting Monkees bobbleheads all along.

So, carry on.

But then to me, thats all really irrelevant anyway. I like some of his stuff. "A Warm Place" is a beautiful song. I wish he'd do more of that kind of ambient sountrack work instead of blasty shit for DOOM 25 or something.

The hilarious thing is, most "proper goffs" I know can't stand NIN. They're not goth.

Most "proper goffs" can't stand 99.999999% of music that is supposed to be goth, which is why most "proper goffs" are insufferable people. I'm really starting to subscribe to Ned's "everything turns into goth in the end" theory, which is far more inclusive and inviting.

I like the LCD Soundsystem singles, but didn't care for the first album at all (I haven't heard the most recent one). Also, James Murphy should take a hint and become Quincy Jones 2007 -- turning knobs in the studio while others do all the singing for him. This should clarify my position on "Only".

Oh ok, I'll admit I hadn't heard it no. So fair play.