― David Allen, Monday, 8 September 2003 15:21 (twenty years ago) link
er, have you actually read the threads on some of the 'left' wing bands round here keith?
jess: no I don't. But she has always been a pop star first.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Rabid Rob, Monday, 8 September 2003 15:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:35 (twenty years ago) link
she maybe wrong but an idiot?
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:36 (twenty years ago) link
That said, however, I still think "idiot" is applicable due to her adherence to supporting "EVERY decision" by the President. That doesn't show any deep understanding or concern about specific issues, but rather a voluntary decision to let someone else sweat the hard stuff and not get involved...or even informed...at all.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:42 (twenty years ago) link
Oh, and Gang of Four album covers to thread.
― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 September 2003 16:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Sam J. (samjeff), Monday, 8 September 2003 16:50 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 16:55 (twenty years ago) link
More pix of Bush throwing dogs!
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:00 (twenty years ago) link
its taken you three years to figure that out? you must be stupid ;)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:04 (twenty years ago) link
OTM.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:16 (twenty years ago) link
I like candy barsand He-manand motor carsSkeletor and the Milky Wayand a rat-tat hot-rod Chevrolet
― Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 8 September 2003 17:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:17 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:18 (twenty years ago) link
"STAND AND DELIVER!"
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:35 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link
I think the point is that she wasn't really thinking anything. She's letting that genius George W Bush do her thinking for her.
― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 8 September 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 20:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 20:40 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 8 September 2003 20:49 (twenty years ago) link
That said, surely you hope she's right in her adherence, though at $87 million and no international support, it's looking pretty f'n precarious.
― Chris O'Connor (Chris O'Connor), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:37 (twenty years ago) link
vs.
"I think Americans have the right to expect that our elected officials can handle situations and are more equipped to do the right things. Second-guessing is entirely an American thing, I understand. But we're also a republic, not an egalitarian society, and Britney at least understands that."
?????
ro otm
― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:46 (twenty years ago) link
― daria g (daria g), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:52 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 23:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris O'Connor (Chris O'Connor), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 01:07 (twenty years ago) link
― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 02:43 (twenty years ago) link
― David Allen, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 02:55 (twenty years ago) link
"Honestly, I think we should just trust our President in every decision that he makes, and we should just support that."
I don't see why this statement is idiotic. Bush was democratically elected, Florida chads or no Florida chads. That implies that for the period of his tenure in office the electorate have no alternative other than to trust him; otherwise they would not have elected him. If they do not trust him they have the opportunity to elect somebody else in next year's election. That's how democracy works. What problem does anyone have with this, exactly? What do any of you suggest should be done instead?
And I would incidentally point out that the virulent opinions expressed here about women, pop music and ordinary people in general are very much in keeping with extremist Republican thinking.
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 07:51 (twenty years ago) link
"it is more intelligent to distrust the machineries of democracy as they currently function"
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:17 (twenty years ago) link
(sorry, i wrote my question in the most contorted order possible, i haven't had enough coffee yet)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:25 (twenty years ago) link
That's bullshit. Any elected official needs to get feedback from the public. We don't just elect them and forget about it until the next election.
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:51 (twenty years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:57 (twenty years ago) link
the mechanism of feedback is the threat of not being re-electedthe sanction (should they break the rules) is not being re-elected
it's up to them whether they slavishly chase public opinion or ignore it
marcello is quite correct in stating that absolute trust in the elected official is no more ridiculous than absolute trust in the system: the alternative — this is probably actually happening on a widespread scale in the US and actually has done on and off since it was founded — is a practice of "i only have to obey the laws set in place by the officials *i* have voted for"
once this practice reaches a certain critical mass, the result will be civil war => britney's statement *in itself* is no more absurd than the statement "i prefer the system as it stands to civil war"
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:11 (twenty years ago) link
i. "i trust [x]" meaning "i believe [x] has no anti-democratic hidden agenda"ii. "i trust [x]" meaning "whatever [x]'s hidden agenda, i trust that the checks and balances within the system will either neutralise them , or exploit/detourne them to the benefit of the polity"
the problem with i. is that for a democracy to operate, it requires that all participants be angels at all time ii. is certainly a lot closer to the beliefs held by those who set the US system running
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:13 (twenty years ago) link