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No love for Fannie Farmer on this thread? It's my go-to book, not that I cook much these days...

also my go-to book. and since i'm the only one of my roommates who brought a basic cookbook, it gets used in our house probably every other day.

i ordered this tassajara recipe book, or some variant of it, through interlibrary loan a few days ago because i've heard good things. i'm pretty excited.

i've had pretty mixed luck with the georgian feast, i'm not sure what to make of it. georgian food is just so good, but i can't ever get the khinkali to not fall apart (maybe my fault, but still!), and the khachapouri tastes like pizza without the sauce.

Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

This book isn't just recipes, it really teaches you how to cook

this is the best part. it's great for the whole "what's in my fridge/cupboard?" dilemma. just find the section of the book that deals with your particular ingredient (green peppers), and find a recipe.

too many cookbooks assume that ppl know how to cook. they don't.

also: the tassajara bread book is double-awesome.

gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I've been a lazy cook lately, just relying on what I know and cooking whatever. I really wanna cook some Indian food really bad but my girlfriend is a little asian-phobic and I've been breaking her in slowly with phad thai and vietnamese stir fry. I remember a particular sweet potato fritter from that Lord Krishna book that was a-may-zing.

pj (Henry), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 00:20 (seventeen years ago) link

And behold, said recipe I mentioned:

http://static.flickr.com/109/272723017_fff3708919.jpg

The importance with this and anything else from Bittman is that it is easy to do, teaches you something about how to put a dish together, and is infinitely protean -- the possibilities of additional seasonings or ingredients to taste is obvious in a dish like this. This is only half, the rest I've set aside to work with tomorrow in terms of other seasonings.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 00:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Man, that's making me want pasta right now, and I've already eaten dinner!

One thing that I think would be handy for a cookbook to do, if one hasn't already, is to make an appendix of spice combinations that work well together and work well with certain foods, like just a quick reference guide, i.e., I want to grill lamb, give me some ideas.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

mint!

your daughter is one (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 02:17 (seventeen years ago) link

(for real, you could make a tzatziki w/ plain yogurt, mint, dill, parsley, garlic, lemon juice, and maybe some cucumber)

your daughter is one (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 02:19 (seventeen years ago) link

a balsamic marinade is also good with lamb.

I am very fond of my Charmaine Solomon's Vegetarian cookbook. Also, the classic aussie bible A Cooks Companion by Stephanie Alexander.

I tend to read cookbooks for inspiration though. I dont follow recepies for anything except exacting stuff like baked goods (bread, cakes etc).

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 02:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I just meant the lamb thing as an example.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd like that too. i hate bland food, so i tend to overdo spices sometimes to overcompensate, which ruins a dish in its own way.

Maria (Maria), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 03:27 (seventeen years ago) link

not sure how good it is as a cookbook (I've barely made a dent in my Bittman), but she ran a really great noodle shop back in the day...

Marnie Henricksson, Everyday Asian: From Soups to Noodles, From Barbecues to Curries, Your Favorite Asian Recipes Made Easy

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 04:06 (seventeen years ago) link

seconding some one up thread the river cottage meat book, if i had to choose a religious text that would be it

secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 08:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Also it is heavy enough to humanely stun the beast of your choice.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 08:36 (seventeen years ago) link

What do people do for web sites? Do any of them stick out as being great? I used to use Epicurious a lot, but there are so many recipes on there that it started overwhelming me - I had no way to winnow out the wheat from the chaff.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 08:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I signed up for a free trial at http://www.cooksillustrated.com/ but it's a bit too soon to say how good it is. I love the magazine though. Yeah, some bits are really annoying, but I love the fact that they try all sorts of different things perfecting recipes and share the results with you.

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 08:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes I find that difficult as well, I have found a million fried chicken recipes but no idea as to which is good; I have anthony easton's grandfrather's fried chicken recipe though so I think I am on the right track. (Hand , we should do a peer reviewing social networking type foodie site, we will mint it when we get bought by google.)

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 08:47 (seventeen years ago) link

BBC Food's a really handy cooking resource.

scotstvo (scotstvo), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 08:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I second the Good Housekeeping cookbook.

In addition these are the ones I use most often.

Gary Rhodes New British Classics
Prue Leith Cookery Bible
Debra Mayhew The Soup Bible
Martha Lomask The American Cookbook
Anna Thomas The Vegetarian Epicure

Nearly bought a 1912 copy of Escoffier's cookbook at a book fair last weekend but was a little out my price range.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 09:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I tend to read cookbooks for inspiration though. I dont follow recepies for anything except exacting stuff like baked goods (bread, cakes etc).

Trayce is OTM here. I have a ridiculous pile of cookbooks, including many listed upthread such as Hugh F-W's books, Slater, European Peasant Cooking, Prue Leith, Tamasin Day-Lewis, Mary Berry - even Larousse, which I'd argue is actually probably most useful for the butchery diagrams. Despite all this, however, the book I actually refer to most is Modern Practical Cookery which my Gran got with a new cooker just after the war. It's the only one I look at when I need to know how to do something specific.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Marcella Hazan - Essentials of Classic Italian Cooking is a great one!

pauls00 (pauls00), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I've written about this but I don't know where. I don't generally like cookbooks. I've read a couple hundred, own less than ten -- though there are four or five others I'll eventually pick up, plus the good subset of the ones I don't know about yet.

Good reference: Bittman (I've heard a lot of complaints about his non-Everything books, but they might be mostly "it's not as good as the other one" complaints), Nigella Lawson's How to Eat, The Joy of Cooking, any of the Betty Crocker/Better Home and Gardens type books that are handy when you can't remember how many minutes per pound to cook a top round roast or what temperature to put a yellow cake in at. Rosengarten's Dean & Deluca cookbook is a surprisingly good general book, too, and one of the ones I gave to my ex instead of a used bookstore. I'm sure it's remaindered somewhere.

Anything by Damon Fowler or Edna Lewis is good. I use Fergus Henderson's Nose to Tail a lot but most won't. Marcella for Italian, Madhur Jaffrey for Indian. Bill Smith's Seasoned in the South is worth it just for the corned ham, and as much as I hate everything about "food porn," his honeysuckle sorbet recipe is the best example of it I've read.

Destroy most books by celebrity restaurant owners, for a million reasons -- the recipes often aren't intended to be used, the chef often doesn't have much involvement with it, it's a window shopping book. Thomas Keller and Mario Batali are notable exceptions, though the only people I know who cook from the French Laundry Cookbook are people who own lab-grade water baths to do sous vide at home.

Read eGullet.org, blogs, menus, and the restaurant reviews in Food & Wine. Mario and Giada's shows are pretty good, and Paula Dean's can be -- the benefit to food TV is that if it's shot right, you know what it's supposed to look like. Steingarten's books of essays are good if you skip everything that smacks at all of science, which he's absolutely shitty at -- there's no instruction there, but knowing how to eat informs knowing how to cook. Bourdain's A Cook's Tour, likewise.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I like Cooking Light's website, and for the most part, their magazine although I wish they'd cram their women's lifestyle tips up their asses and just stick with the recipes. I'm really not interested in eye cream recommendations from a cooking magazine.

My favorite cook books are the Joy of Cooking, Cook's Illustrated The Best New Recipes, and Edna Lewis's The Taste of Country Cooking. I had a Moosewood cookbook that I liked a lot but I can't find it and I can't remember which one.

xpost - Ha! We have the French Laundry Cookbook and have never used it.

Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Marcella Hazan - Essentials of Classic Italian Cooking is a great one!

Yeah, Stripey lent this and Laurel's Kitchen to me as well. I haven't used them yet as much as Bittman but what I've checked out is really great.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Ed, I like this Indian-style "fried" chicken recipe, even though it's made in the oven (I s'ppose you could actually fry it instead). Rilly good.

Bittman is king; Slater's latest (Kitchen Diaries) is fantastic. I just got Rick Stein's new seafood book--it looks fantastic as a guide to buying and preparing fish (extensive info on fish families, tons of pictures, tons of techniques), but I'm not sold on the recipes yet, which have the drawback of having no introductory text at all (I know it's silly, but I like it when a cookbook writer tells me shit like, "this is the best dish ever! Make it!").

g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Ruhlman's Charcuterie is good if you

a) incline towards the baking/confectionery/chemistry approach to cooking;

b) have a variety of airy places in your home, of varying temperatures, where your spouse and pets won't interfere with meat hanging around;

c) like meat.

Me, I cure meat a lot, but I don't make sausage, I'm not about to try hot dogs -- to make a hot dog you need approximate temperature control during grinding, or it won't emulsify, and I'm just not that guy -- and I'm down with just making homemade corned beef, pastrami, bacon, lamb ham. You know. But it's a really good book if you're up for that whole trip.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Ed, just asked Pearline (who says her sis' Shacklewell Lane take away, Finger Lickin', is now open following its refurb) and she says this is what you should do:

"Mix two teaspoons of spicy paprika with each half-cup of flour you're using, and then some pepper. Whisk an egg RIGHT up to dip your chicken in. If you are mad at anyone, take it out on the chicken. Make sure your chicken pieces are perfectly dry, then stab them over and over again with a fork before dipping them in the egg wash and then the paprika flour. Deep fry them until they're golden and then let them sit awhile in a 200C oven - that lets most of the oil run off the chicken."

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Which edition of Joy of Cooking? I have the one from 1997, and I don't like it. They got rid of the instructions on how to skin and prepare squirrel!

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

doesn't proper fried chjicken need a good bath in buttermilk? I'm sure there's a good eats on makling perfect fried chicken, In fact I've got it somewhere...

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Argue with the Jamaican lady, not me!

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Tons of ways to make proper fried chicken, to put it mildly, even in the South. Mine usually sits overnight in undiluted Louisiana-brand hot sauce.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link

True. Having tasted Pearline's goat curry, I'm pretty sure of her ability to cook a good ANYTHING in the Jamaican/soul food category.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Who is Pearline and does she deliver to Jersey City?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Pearline is a nice Jamaican lady who lives in London, and thus does not deliver to NJ. Truly sorry about that.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Tep did you ever post your Christmas cookbook PDF from a few years ago anywhere? I've lost it and I would love to have it again.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

(I made your famous vinegar chicken SEVERAL times to great acclaim, which I gathered as my own, naturally.)

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Oi. Hand.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I know, but what was I supposed to say?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh hrm. I don't have the password to that ftp directory anymore, so I'm not sure what the direct link is! I don't actually even have a PDF copy myself, just the hard copy -- but if anyone has it, they're welcome to upload it to sendspace or what have you.

What I do have is the 2004 one, formatted for an odd page size -- I don't think it's quite as good (typical sophomore syndrome, I had to cull just from stuff I'd done that year), but it's something.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/0y6a5c

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha I bet it is. Thank you!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Stuff in there -- talky crap, chicken, sandwich, sloppy joes, vaca frita, other sandwich, other sandwich, chili, potato salad, pie, chicken basil dirty rice, dak galbi, platonic fish, lamb, Burmese chicken, sancocho, manchamantel, pie, blondies, other pie, blueberry truffles, fruitcake, and a promise to make the best lobster roll ever. Which I think I wound up doing, at least within my constraints (had to be recognizably a lobster roll without a bunch of odd ingredients): smoked lobster, warm, with a little mayo and hot sauce.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

C'est tout que j'aime!*

*(c) McDonald's France; means either "It's everything that I love!" or, more sinisterly, "It's all that I love!"

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for re-upping that file, Tep -- I had lost it too.

The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I tend to drift toward "technique"-focused books. Julia Child's "The Way to Cook" (tasty stuff), James Peterson's "Essentials of Cooking" (sort of like an illustrated Bittman - takes nothing for granted), and most recently, been wrestling with Madeleine Kamman's gargantuan "The New Making of a Cook: The Art, Techniques, and Science of Good Cooking". It's like a whole culinary university sitting in your lap. I almost want to build a whole room around this book, it's that solid.

I also love Hazan's "Essentials of Classic Italian Cooking" esp. that pasta with a sauce of sausage w/ red & yellow peppers.

Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I have this prejudice against Italian cooking, which is basically that it's all more or less the same, pasta and tomato or cream sauces. Tell me how I'm wrong.

Maria (Maria), Thursday, 19 October 2006 04:03 (seventeen years ago) link

You are very very wrong. Cream sauces aren't much of a feature in italian cooking and pasta is only meant to be the second course (know as a primo piatto but go figure) but many Italians would feel hard done by if the their primo piatto did not contain pasta or rice (or polenta in the north). italian cookery is very varied but very conservative and it is, first and foremost home cooking.

Take this lovely Braised beef redcipe:

Brasato alla Barolo

1kg Topside, Brisket or similar
oil
butter
25g Proscuitto fat or lardo, chopped
pinch of coccoa powder
a teaspoon of rum

For the marinade

1 bottle of barolo
2 carrots sliced
2 onions
1 celery stalk
4 fresh sage leaves
1 small fresh rosemary sprig
1 bay leaf
10 black peppercorns
salt

Tie up the meat and leave in the marinade for 6 or 7 hours. Drain the meat keeping the marinade. In a hevay bottomed pan heat the fats and add the meat and brown over a high heat. Pour in the marinade, deglaze the pan and cook over a low heat for 1 and a half hours. Discard the herbs, blend the stock vegetables into the sauce and add the cocoa and rum. Pour the sauce over the meat and serve.

I'd use grappa or brandy in place of the rum as I hate rum and don't hacve it in the house.

As a vegetable course with that I'd have porcini, Cavolini (brussel sprouts), Cavolo Verza alla Cappucina (savoy Cabbage) or Finocchi alla diavola (Fennel)

Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 October 2006 05:59 (seventeen years ago) link

A really good italian home cookbook is Antonio Carluccio's first (AFAIK): An Introduction to Italian cooking. Full of helpful advice as where you can skimp on the quality of ingredients and where you can't. A really decent manual in a way that his later (post opening a chain of Delis) books aren't.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:07 (seventeen years ago) link

For the pleasure of reading: Jane Grigson, Simon Hopkinson, Elizabeth David, MFK Fisher - that last one especially: her prose is like Nabokov, but most of her recipes sound unpleasant, or not worth the bother. Also Nigella Lawson's How to Eat.

Nigel Slater I used to love: his early books were geared towards making the best from things you could pick up easily from the shops on the way home from work, & he changed the way I thought about food. These days it's for well-off childless people who live within easy reach of Borough Market.

Also his prose style makes me feel queasy, he is irritatingly twee & there is a disingenuousness that gets on my nerves - "the blushing aubergines that found their way into my shopping bag etc".

And I have found that I have sometimes almost to double his cooking times, especially for meat: I like rare beef & lamb, but not chicken & pork.

bham (bham), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah italian cooking is totally about more than just pasta. My ex's italian family used to serve up the most MASSIVE weekend dinners, and they usually went a little like this:

first course: lentil soup with garlic
Second (or sometimes first instead): pasta of some kind. Usually fresh pasta such as strozzapreti, with a wonderful slowcooked ragu, or maybe just plain fresh spaghetti tossed with fried breadcrumbs and garlic/chilli
main course: veal scallopine, or involtinis, or chicken fillets, something along those lines - with hot chips and peas simmered in tons of onions
afters: figs and chest-hair-making espressos. Max's dad would always have a shot of brandy in his.

I would always be BURSTING after sunday dinners at theirs. God. I dont know how people can eat like that more than once or twice a week without DYING.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 19 October 2006 07:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh man, I wish I was Italian - one of my best friends has a family like that and he's always telling me about the meals they eat. I know his cousin too, and every time they get together his cousin says "So what did you make lately?" They claim to even mark dates by what they ate "Oh, that was the time Uncle Paulie made the stuffed artichokes," etc.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought How to Cook Everything last night because of this thread.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link


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