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it is completely darker than it lets on too. the dream-scenes with dead lilly kane in sickly green tint are disturbing. but the rest too.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 14 February 2005 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I keep trying to convince everyone I know to watch this show but I've had little luck. It's like dawsons creek/twin peaks/ nancy drew all in one. Also, it seems like my favorite character is the big asshole (logan). Therefore it MUST be good.

― gunther heartymeal (Homosexual II), Monday, 14 February 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

and it better get a second season. maybe the appearance of allyson hannigan will get all the buffy fans on the bandwagon.

― gunther heartymeal (Homosexual II), Monday, 14 February 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay! More converts!

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 14 February 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

yay! I watched the first episode not knowing what to expect and I was so pleasantly surprised. Super good. I love the way it's filmed too, something about the camera angles. when logan told off his dad in the school we could practically see up his NOSTRILS. I was also happy during the episode "clash of the tritons" because I suddenly realized that harry hamlin was in CLASH OF THE TITANS. ok, i'm done.

― gunther heartymeal, Monday, 14 February 2005 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"dude, where's your car?" haha!

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 14 February 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how they've managed finally, by chipping away, to make me believe in veronica's transition from pep squad valley girl to crime fighting PI assassin. there was an episode where I was completely bamboozled as to what was going on near the end (I figured it ws just bad (= rad) editing) (the episode where wanda & duncan run fr class president.)

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 14 February 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

i feel like it is never too late to reference that movie. or actually, it's just late enough to be FUNNY. kind of like being austin powers for halloween.

― gunther heartymeal, Monday, 14 February 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

titans or dude?

story of my life.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 14 February 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah...I like how veronica kind of mourns the loss of her pep squad persona but realizes that she could never be that girl again. the use of flashbacks are great. i want more from the character of DUNCAN though -- he is kind of wooden, definitely my least favorite. he needs to go off his pills and start seeing his dead sister again.

― gunther heartymeal, Monday, 14 February 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

oh -- never too late to reference DUDE.

― gunther heartymeal, Monday, 14 February 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

and can I say paris hilton as 'dead eyes, at the window above': classic cameo.

yeah it ws awesome when duncan starting hallucinating and backflip head-hitting leg-breaking sky diving off the bleachers because he WASN'T on pills rather than yknow on them.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 14 February 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

haha. he should have entered into the world of EXTREME SPORTS. paris is always a hilarious treat, i can't wait to see what her singing career brings. I also really liked the cult episode -- who can resist a veggie eating COMMUNE?

i actually am really excited for the allyson hannigan appearance. oh and logan and veronica working together -- yes.

― gunther heartymeal, Monday, 14 February 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I really like veronica mars you guys!!!

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 14 February 2005 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

hey, me too! i might even love it. oh wait, i said that already. i think maybe you're just trying to keep this post alive. i can't wait to see her go head to head with her dad (who is just the best).

― gunther heartymeal, Monday, 14 February 2005 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm just trying to bait melissa into posting more.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 14 February 2005 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

enrico pantolinioni is the best YEAH!

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 14 February 2005 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

the wrong person grabbed your bait.

so THE BEST!!!

― gunther heartymeal, Monday, 14 February 2005 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

this show ate my hamster. it is very good indeed.

― qbomb (Danny), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

agreeing with the flashbacking being incredible too.

― qbert (Danny), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I only saw one episode, but it looked very cheaply produced and ugly, like they couldn't afford to hire any lighting guys (and not in a stylized way, just reminiscent of a '70s sitcom like Three's Company). Is it always like that?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

It is usually in a stylized way. They are lighting crazy, mostly i think the visuals are incredible but they sometimes overdo it with darkness or saturated colours. So, no.

― qbert (Danny), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

one yay fr the wrong person! two yays fr VERONICA!

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry, someone I didn't want to just tried to kiss me. I'm kinda distraught.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry

― qbert (Danny), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know what else to say...

I'm a bad proselytizer.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Remember to watch tonight, everyone!

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

how many eps are in season one? I think I've watched it all (12) now. I want to know who murdered lilly kane!

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

There will be 22, and I think there have been either 12 or 13 so far.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

SPOILERS

the last one I saw (as I say, 12) was the one where mrs. echolls jumped from the bridge, logan told his dad off at school and veronica was, once again, pesky.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, okay, there's been another one since then.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

my sister is making me watch this tonight.

― jill schoelen is the queen of my dreams! (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

do it.

― qbert (Danny), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

P2P places now have amateur kylie - veronica mars lookalike as the very top search fr veronica mars. Ban the internet, or do something with it.

― qbert (Danny), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Only 2 hours until the episode! Set your VCRs or Tivos or whatever.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link

just waiting for tonight's episode. so who do you guys think killed LILY? The eternal laura palmer question, except without tshirts.

― gunther heartymeal, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I killed lillie! BUT this show + twin peaks, pretty similar. though me + drink, pretty unlucid!

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

twin peaks = better (season one of twin peaks anyway)

― qbar (Danny), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 02:13 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.upn.com/shows/veronica_mars/.

yr loving 'ask veronica'

― qbert (Danny), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I stand by it: VERONICA MARS is so goddarned pesky < /insight, huh?>.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link

you love her.

― qbert (Danny), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 02:22 (nineteen years ago) link

this show + twin peaks, pretty similar.

As long as you ignore their genre, plot structure, and the fact that one has an ensemble cast and the other doesn't. They do both take place in towns where crimes are committed and are filmed in front of a live camera crew.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link

both have the investigation of a young exuberant popular teenage girl as a main factor tho and they use the death as a catalyst fr plot and character. twin peaks has the whole small town thing going on which v. mars doesn't have but veronica mars has class wars and paris hilton.

― qbert (Danny), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 02:52 (nineteen years ago) link

The exuberant popular girl is dead in Twin Peaks! The Fugitive starts with a death, too -- so did The Incredible Hulk, Murder One, etc. Hamlet, for that matter, and Sunset Boulevard (both of which would be crappy TV shows).

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 02:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, they both use some very common tools from the freeware toolbox, but that's what makes it a toolbox. Focusing on those commonalities is like finding Who's The Boss similar to Cheers because they both have "when will they do it" ongoing tension, or Scrubs and Dragnet because they have narrators.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 02:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Tonight's episode with the pervo teacher totally reminded me of a certain ilxor.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 03:50 (nineteen years ago) link

The sweater was distractingly bad, but a decent episode.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

there really wasn't enough mars vs. mars action. and I agree that veronica is SUCH a pest! I guess that's what it takes to find out the TRUTH. um what is up with all the sick people?

twin peaks was way more dramatic. what with the "DOOO doooo" music that played everytime a scene ended.

― gunther heartymeal, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link

okay the exuberant popular girl was poor longhand fr lilly kane and laura palmer are similar in a number of ways. So i agree with the freeware toolkit thing to an extent but the similarities aren't just of setting or background or of just a similar storyline, the hunt fr the killer of a girl.

Twin peaks is 'something + detective genre' in the same way Mars is 'something + teen drama + detective genre'. They both focus on the place and characters within the place rather than just the murder yet the investigation is used as a catalyst fr character development and insight into place which again promotes the influence of things outside the detective plot.

A marlowe movie like the big sleep couldn't carry on after the plot is unravelled (obv that's bad because it's a film and they're supposed to end.), twin peaks did because it had strongly established other elements but this establishing was done through the investigation of laura palmers murder just like v. mars non-detective elements are being established through the investigation to a large/some extent.

Okay a lot of that is rub but i think the way the detective elements are used and blah and lilly kane = laura palmer means that they're pretty similar.

― qbert (Danny), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Twin Peaks was much more of a soap opera than a detective show, though -- the clues were all but irrelevant to the solving of the crime, and the audience was never led to believe otherwise, what with Coop's mystical Tibetan bottle-knocking method of suspect identification.

And it was much more about the town than the one dead girl -- she provided a focus for the first slightly-less-than-half of the show, but the bulk of even that half dealt with other things. Her murder was the equivalent of the hospital in General Hospital; the investigation was a setting as much as it was a plot element, like Mulder's ongoing quest in The X-Files. (There are bigger differences than this, but they boil down to "Twin Peaks is a take on the traditional night-time soap opera, Veronica Mars isn't," with the plot structures, the lack of episodic closure, the roaming focus on different characters, etc.)

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:00 (nineteen years ago) link

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