Meat for Millar (revised and/or explained)

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I thought it was time to bring back the rhythm and the rhyme
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(so to speak)

― oops (Oops), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:22 (twenty years ago) link

Ed, for your end of the argument, you are assuming people will exercise and eat in moderation and buy organic meat (in Europe where it really is organic, apparantly).

Meanwhile, my opening argument was, "Do you
have any idea how meat & dairy is produced? It is the root cause of most of western society's vast array of new sickness epidemics since WWII." That would be referring to nonorganic meat, obviously, for one thing. For another, in order to deal with the unnecessary cholesterol in your system, you need to limit the amount of meat you eat and exercise. Meanwhile, you can eat all the raw fruits and veggies you want all day long, with great big helpings of nuts and beans and you're never going to have dangerous levels of cholesterol. And you would have to eat A LOT to get fat on a diet like this. While you eat like this, you're also filling your body with fuel that actually makes you much less sedentary than a helping of meat, not to mention all the water, vitamins, minerals, antioxidants and fiber you're getting.

Cultures can go entirely without meat, but you can't go entirely without fruits and vegetables for too long before you develop some serious deficiencies.

But, anyway, I'm in the process of searching for a few things for both you and Oops about different cultures and large groups of people who were on and off meat for different reasons and the correllation to numerous diseases and death rates... These events are actually what got people looking into vegetarianism... So, let me get back to that search.

― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 20 June 2003 08:32 (twenty years ago) link

ed what is yr itinerary 2day?

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:35 (twenty years ago) link

It is the root cause of most of western society's vast array of new sickness epidemics since WWII

Even if this is true, it's impossible to prove--no matter how many tables you paste for us.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:38 (twenty years ago) link

'It is the root cause of most of western society's vast array of new sickness epidemics since WWII'

This is crazy talk. You might as well say that the root cause of western society's vast array of new sickness epidemics since WWII is proseperity, progress, health care, or the fact that people are living longer. Just because two things correlate does not mean that they are dependant.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:43 (twenty years ago) link

Though, it does sound ridiculous, a large amount of sick people in the world right now could be made healthier, in many cases, with a pure vegetarian diet in a matter of months, regardless of their exercise or smoking habits and most of these sick people have diseases related to high cholesterol.

― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 20 June 2003 08:53 (twenty years ago) link

Though, it does sound ridiculous, a large amount of sick people in the world right now could be made healthier, in many cases, with a pure vegetarian diet in a matter of months, regardless of their exercise or smoking habits and most of these sick people have diseases related to high cholesterol.

this is just the kind of wild claim that you need to provide strong evidence for.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:58 (twenty years ago) link

Rah, rise and shine. I just woke up here, but more lies to back me up are found here: Veg-eating smokers 'cheat illness'... I know, I know, BBC News isn't a public HTML research paper. I'll promptly look for such a thing... (actually, no I won't)...

― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 20 June 2003 12:04 (twenty years ago) link

It is suspected that genes may play a role, along with diet and other lifestyle factors.

Er..

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 20 June 2003 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

This thread also makes me want to renounce vegetarianism, skip past being a carnivore, and go straight to cannibalism so I can kill you all and eat your plump, juicy kidneys.

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 20 June 2003 12:20 (twenty years ago) link

A U.S. District Court judge ruled last week that the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) violated federal laws when they selected individuals with known financial ties to various food industries to serve as members to the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee. This group was in charge of drawing up the latest nutritional guidelines that comprise the USDA's "Food Pyramid".

― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 20 June 2003 12:26 (twenty years ago) link

Preventing Cancer, Beating Heart Disease, Lowering Blood Pressure, Preventing and Reversing Diabetes, Gallstones, Kidney Stones, and Osteoporosis, Asthma

― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 20 June 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

I wanna live forever, I wanna learn how to fly...

― hstencil, Friday, 20 June 2003 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, as far as I'm concerned, I just don't want to live in any sickly condition. That's it. If I can avoid a multitude of things that make prolonged existence miserable, I'm all for it (discounting this thread, of course!)

When I get a chance, I'll post some more stuff (stuff I've been looking for online for only a half-hour or so before I had to sleep, wake up and work).

― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 20 June 2003 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

Cool.

― Sam (chirombo), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

All of these threads have ended up being deeply strange.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

There's nothing strange about wanting to eat your kidneys.

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:23 (twenty years ago) link

Depends on the person, I guess.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

Why, do you know something about your kidneys that I don't?

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

I believe I'm closer to them than you are.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, BEHIND YOU!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

That's where I always want you, Dan, so I know you're there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

Feelin' on yo kidneys.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

With that 'special touch.'

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

He's just testing their plumpness.

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

One always has to make sure of that before braising them.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

I can't believe SC stayed up until 6am to argue about this, holy shit in a basket of apples

― Millar (Millar), Friday, 20 June 2003 19:52 (twenty years ago) link

Scaredy Cat has ridiculous energy since doing Qigong/Karate. I'm talking about myself in the 3rd person.... I have had less than 6 hours of sleep in the past 2 days and still I am not in need of coffee. Part of this is ... wait for it... the vegetarian diet.

― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 20 June 2003 19:54 (twenty years ago) link

Part of it also sleep-deprivation euphoria.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 June 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

(The rest is a key-lime pie.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 June 2003 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

wow SC I'm convinced now

― Millar (Millar), Friday, 20 June 2003 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

I figured that might do the trick, Millar. That's why I saved this secret weapon for last.

― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 20 June 2003 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

For what it's worth, I've gained 5lbs since I started eating bacon AND hamburgers at the same time, so maybe there's something to this.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:26 (twenty years ago) link

depends where the 5lbs went

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:29 (twenty years ago) link

I'm going to misspell words and then correct myslef afterward.

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 21 June 2003 08:23 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry, "myself"

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 21 June 2003 08:23 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...

omg, this thread rules! is scaredy cat still around?

― timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 12 October 2006 04:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 October 2006 04:06 (seventeen years ago) link

orrrrrrly

― am0n (am0n), Thursday, 12 October 2006 04:10 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, i almost wrote down nude spock as a guess, but didn't want to conjure him up. search function confirms my hunch. my bad.....

― timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 12 October 2006 04:38 (seventeen years ago) link

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