James Franco and his LIPS !!!

an extremely untrustworthy group of people

wait, reversed course from what to what? seems like NK has been the consensus culprit all along

idk from what i could tell there was a growing consensus of "it was probably not north korea" with the wired article being the crest of that wave

...the hack against Sony Pictures was carried out by a "sophisticated actor"...

...a hacker who identified as "lena"...

and we know the hacker's are in contact with entertainment news websites...

is there no end to her crimes

i support sony's decision to cancel the movie. didn't it already almost fuck up some diplomatic negotiation with japan involving the return of political prisoners?

Hackers connected to the Sony break in released a new statement on Thursday morning: ITS ABOUT ETHICS IN GAMES JOURNALISM

cryptic..

guys I just loaded the D.I. Go Pop CD into my discman and pressed play and "never gonna give you up" started playing??

Not That Kind of Jihad

He's Just Not That Into Jihad

@DennisThePerrin
When they came for Seth Rogen, I said nothing for I'm not Seth Rogen. When they came for Larry The Cable Guy, I said "He lives over there."

so dennis perrin is larry the cable guy?

it's official:
http://www.sfgate.com/business/technology/article/FBI-conclusively-links-North-Korea-to-Sony-hack-5968501.php

Clooney otm imo

from the guys that brought you the link between iraq and al qaeda comes the link between north korea and hackers who give channing tatum's e-mails to mashable

FBI did not link iraq to al qaeda but thx for playing

haha sorry if i'm being too macro

Obama slams Sony for "making a mistake"

obv i have no more of a clue than anybody but if this is the biggest smoking gun

the FBI discovered that computer Internet addresses known to be operated by North Korea were communicating directly with other computers used to deploy and control the hacking tools and collect the stolen Sony files.

there's still a lot of grey area

the smoking gun is the american govt being like "believe us this is what happened" which.... do you, i guess, if you wanna believe it

which isn't to say it's not what happened but, you know

unlike all the Iraq bullshit, I'm not really sure what ulterior motive the Obama administration would have for blaming NK for this

I wish I had not started this discussion in the Franco LIPS thread but i did not foresee presidential press conferences

the government is saying there is a "link" to nk. that they are responsible for the malware. if you want to extrapolate from that that kim jong-il was so mad about The Interview that he ordered a brazen cyberattack where they took terabytes of a multinational company's most precious information and used it to LET BLOGS KNOW THAT SCOTT RUDIN IS A DICK, fine. A wacky Pearl Harbor from the wackiest despot.

this is actually a sequel to 1941

I doubt this hack becomes a serious issue if sony didnt have comically shitty security

comically shitty security that was already attacked by the kind of goofy ass hackers that would e-mail buzzfeed and write crazy shit in faux-broken english in the past. but now the idea is that north korea's plan was to steal all the best shit, embarrass some celebrities, threaten domestic terrorism if the movie isn't pulled, and then say "thank you, watch yourself" when it is. ok.

as for why the government would prefer to put the attention on a sanctioned foreign state (who may well have paid for the hackers pizzas), history and hollywood itself have provided plenty of examples of it

and while i'm being all wag the dog, let's just note that before peace with cuba and a stand-off with north korea the hot topic was massive public protests of domestic policy

I wish I had not started this discussion in the Franco LIPS thread but i did not foresee presidential press conferences

― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 December 2014 19:35 (27 minutes ago) Permalink

cmon this is the best thing about ilx

miscategorizations and tangents huh

LIPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qII6nY28D4E

Where's that "phrases you hate" thread?

"IT'S OFFICIAL". Ugh.

I guess I'll put on my tin foil hat and sound like a crazed loon.

Of course the US wins in making this a North Korea issue.

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GOOD MORNING, AMERICA, do you want crazy Asian man stealing from the beautiful, true all-American symbol that is Hollywood? They are now trying to smear the best of the best that this glorious country has to offer: Celebrities and Hollywood; true representations of what makes this blessed country unique!

For the sake of the American people, with safety and security comes a little less freedom. I know whatchoor thinkin. Ex president George Duh-bull-you Bush. But let me assure you we take all threats seriously, because each and every life is invaluable.

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What people in the West don't realise is that China is talking about the next big war, and it's with Japan. China still allies itself with North Korea. Yes, all of this is conjecturing, but it's still a little scary. And I can picture the Obama administration rubbing their hands together with a sinister grin thinking, "Perfect." Repercussions, yo.

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tl;dr: There are incentives to falsely placing the blame on North Korea. Gaining public support for their devious acts is what America is now known for. But whatevz

how much did you guys pay for those tinfoil hats?

simplest explanation usually the correct one occam's razor etc

idk i feel like this is a good case for exposing the lie of occam's razor as a normalizing force, kind of delillo irl. the simplest explanation is what will have happened, truth is a production when the action is spread across so many players, the driving forces are totally symbolic and a-rational, etc. the fact that franco is involved is either .. interesting or exasperating depending on your pov i guess.

i think it's using the word definition of "simple" to accept "kim jong-il, he crazy" as an explanation for everything that happened

woops, meant the wrong definition

I think reconciling the goals of hackers with N Korea is kinda more difficult to accept

all i'm saying is that "the us said north korea did it, that's what happened" ignores what exactly the us saying saying north korea did, and what was done. to respond with "yeah, well, occam's razor" isn't exactly a comeback.

how much did you guys pay for those tinfoil hats?

― Οὖτις, Friday, December 19, 2014 8:57 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

we got 'em wholesale. good quality, though. they say "made in usa" :)

I wonder how the world would react if NK stopped with the nukes and sabre rattling and whatnot and simply acted like a huge asshole all the time. The Troll Kingdom.

Kim's dad was big into movies. Maybe this is Jr. making a statement.

i don't think "hey this isn't the first time hackers have done this" and "hey this isn't the first time our government has been quick to point the finger at a convenient foreign target" are particularly tin-foil obsverations

well it would be the first time that non-NK affiliated hackers goals just happened to coincide with NK's goals

If you think I'm arguing that NK is clearly "innocent" or something you're wrong. I just don't buy they master minded this thing and that mashable has been talking to Pyongyang Rose based on the evidence provided

maybe nk made a deal after the hack.

the narcissism of everyone involved is surely unprecedented.

yeah i've had like day-nightmares thinking of the text convos between franco and rogen the past few days

fwiw, Occam's razor is not a tool for determining whether or not purported facts are true, but for deciding among multiple explanations of known facts, any one of which fully explain them. Even then, it is a probabilistic argument and therefore fallible.

i wasn't asking anyone to make those texts up fwiw