ILX Gonna Shine in My Backdoor Someday (new post-Fahey folk for ppl posting in Takoma/Tompkins Square threads Pt II)

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Cool, thanks Neal! Actually already listened to your "Blue For al-Watawit of Yashkur" tracks (Mr. Avant Ghetto threw them up on twitter yesterday), really enjoyed them. First track sucked me right in, so yeah make a recording you are happy with and I am on board!

grandavis, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 17:57 (three years ago) Permalink

neal - or others - what microphones/mic pres do you guys use? this coming year i need to get serious about recording an album

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 December 2014 19:11 (three years ago) Permalink

like your new stuff neal

the only Tashi Dorji song on Spotify is a cool little curio, electronic remix featuring his guitar of a song by some psychey dude name Al Lover

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:00 (three years ago) Permalink

Thanks dudes, I have always just been using a portable digital Tascam recorder from B&H Photo that I bought a while back. It fits in your pocket so I've used it while out and walking around, but it's not a good choice for recording guitar at this point, I loved it at first bc of how much of an improvement it was over using the internal MacBook mic. I sold my two amps (+all other musical electronics) years ago during collage, which I regret now. As I would like to record traditionally with a mic and amp set up. Either using the sound hole or install a pick up. How about USB mics? Been talked about here before I think. Decent clarity from the models available now?

Neal Cassady, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:34 (three years ago) Permalink

I think the solution is to just meet someone in town with a set up :) - that way I can avoid all of this.

Neal Cassady, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:36 (three years ago) Permalink

I've posted things upthread recorded with the Blue Yeti (120 new but you can def find a ton of these used on ebay, got mine for 80 on craigslist)

you can hear the stuff i've done, which is minimally processed, a bit EQd and maybe compressed slighty with some audicity plugin reverb on it, but overall I'd say USB mics have come a long way

of course, I'm just plotting about how I want to get a USB DAC/Mic pre unit and a better XLR mic so I suppose one is always unsatisfied.

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:38 (three years ago) Permalink

gonna check out yr new thing neal! i've dug the rag lore things i've heard so far.
just got hipped to this thing via soft abuse's twitter -- maybe it was mentioned on the old thread? - kind of low-key/dreamy/fieldrecording-y/acoustic action. i like it!

tylerw, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:45 (three years ago) Permalink

Neal there is also a USB model of the Blue Spark which is supposed to be great on acoustics

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 December 2014 00:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Nice yeah, I remember reading a while back about you UMS using the Blue Yeti for your material. If you search a phrase like 'USB mic acoustic guitar' on youtube the Blue Yeti seems to comes up the most, also something called the Snowball. Though, I think based on the sound samples the Yeti comes out on top. I'll look into that Blue Spark too.

No other time than now to get a project down. Should defiantly put together something. Stick it on a tape and send it to people, flinging around links is nerve racking sometimes though.

I used to work at the main public library of Virginia and was hired at the perfect moment where they were getting rid of all the old analog stereo equipment and vinyl records. It was a dream to hoard of that kind of stuff. I got a working reel to reel, but haven't yet grabbed any tape to use it. Would love to have it up and running.

Neal Cassady, Thursday, 18 December 2014 03:31 (three years ago) Permalink

Reel to reel would sound great

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 December 2014 03:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Grandavis did you end up heading to the hometown Daniel Bachman gig in Fredericksburg? A full video of it was posted a few days ago - includes some of the new material that should be coming up on the Three Lobed Record.

Neal Cassady, Thursday, 18 December 2014 04:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Nah, I had to skip it as it was early in the day and I had too much to do. Watched the video already though! Wanna reiterate that I really like the new tunes that'll be on the next record. Bachman is chugging along into some sweet territory. The lap stuff is a real joy live too.

grandavis, Thursday, 18 December 2014 13:03 (three years ago) Permalink

listening to that new Bachman right now, loving it, getting some sweet "Paris, Texas" vibes off of "Coming Home"

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Friday, 19 December 2014 01:07 (three years ago) Permalink

btw global is gonna be opening for bachman in mpls in the new year!

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 December 2014 02:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Very good shows happening in mpls these days, would love to catch that Metzger one (w/ Global and UMS) as well. Have fun with that.

grandavis, Friday, 19 December 2014 13:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Pretty nice playlist here from John Mulvey (his Uncut series). Lots of stuff hit up in this thread, but throwing more kudos towards Neal's Rag Lore "Blue For al-Watawit of Yashkur" tracks. Cool to see folks from here getting out there and bringing it. Hope you get that record made this year UMS!

grandavis, Friday, 19 December 2014 13:28 (three years ago) Permalink

my goal is to upgrade to a small basement studio, been scoping out gear and i think i get get a good setup going for less than $500

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 December 2014 15:47 (three years ago) Permalink

so easy to get obsessed w/researching gear/recording stuff but you also gotta remember that you won't ever make anything 1/2 as a good as a blind blake record that was recorded at less fidelity than the microphone on your iphone

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 December 2014 15:48 (three years ago) Permalink

i use my phone to record and i think it sounds pretty good!

vigetable (La Lechera), Friday, 19 December 2014 16:21 (three years ago) Permalink

for a basement recording with a device not built intentionally to record music

vigetable (La Lechera), Friday, 19 December 2014 16:22 (three years ago) Permalink

i am usually amazed by how good those iphone recordings come out. i mean, obviously not pro quality or anything... but good!

tylerw, Friday, 19 December 2014 16:31 (three years ago) Permalink

fwiw I once again voice my preference for separate threads for making this music / listening to this music. I'd frequent both, but these threads get p unwieldy as it is without microphone reviews and stuff.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 19 December 2014 16:58 (three years ago) Permalink

merry christmas guys

"hello there, uh John Fahey here.."

Neal Cassady, Friday, 26 December 2014 04:04 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought "https" was supposed to block video embeds?

Oh well :/ still wishing well to everyone here anyway!

Neal Cassady, Friday, 26 December 2014 04:07 (three years ago) Permalink

Alright, ventured into test threads.

Both "http" and "https" will embed viewable youtubes for me in Safari and Chrome.
If I use "www" as well as no URL prefix at all, the video won't embed.

Though, if I head back to the old thread, "https" links are still the way they were: not embedded.
That's all I've got, maybe this isn't the case for everyone else, but I'll leave out all http(s) going forward.

Neal Cassady, Friday, 26 December 2014 05:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Always nice to spin the New Possibility during Xmas

Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 December 2014 12:15 (three years ago) Permalink

this track here sounding awesome. wish records from these folks weren't so expensive to get shipped to the states... they're all so great!!

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 27 December 2014 18:26 (three years ago) Permalink

hey my wife came across this LP bc she's a massive dorothy parker fan and we mail-ordered it, it's music set to lyrics taken from parker's poetry. i think it would appeal to a lot of you guys.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 00:00 (three years ago) Permalink

heh, i just sold that to somebody. i liked it, but found i wasn't returning to it very often.

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 00:07 (three years ago) Permalink

was listening to "the new possibility" last night and realized i don't really like it all that much. it seems very staid and unexciting compared to other fahey albums of the era. not the same heady mix of influences except in a few isolated passages. how to fahey fans rate those xmas albums anyway?

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 00:09 (three years ago) Permalink

i think it sounds like a good idea on paper but it's a bit flat overall. especially as he kept on doing more and more of them. i think definitely an attempt to get some crossover money from the windham hill/leo kottke 'hot tub music' crowd.

don't really need to listen to it when i've got the Charlie Brown Christmas soundtrack

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 00:32 (three years ago) Permalink

the crossover money must have worked for him, pretty sure every single fahey section in used record stores around town is stocked with multiple copies of those. i'm always hopeful when i start to rifle through and then i see a dozen xmas lps and one battered to shit copy of 'after the ball'...

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 00:35 (three years ago) Permalink

The second Fahey christmas album is way better than the first because it sounds less like a christmas album and more like a proper Fahey album.

austinato (Austin), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 00:37 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah, i do like that one better... ironically (?) that one is harder to find, i think it's OOP.

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 00:45 (three years ago) Permalink

Speaking as a fan of Fahey and a fan of Christmas music, I don't listen to them much either - they sound too dry, austere to bring me much joy.

ticket to rmde (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 00:53 (three years ago) Permalink

i th ink of them as being more conventionally pretty but less engaging than other fahey albums.

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 00:56 (three years ago) Permalink

it's also sort of jarring to hear a lot of fahey's 'tricks' and picking techniques applied to something so straightforward as a christmas song you've heard a million times

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 01:56 (three years ago) Permalink

"christ's saints of god fantasy" is a legit great piece, I like the slightly ridiculous russian christmas overture on the second album a lot too. all the best fahey duets are on old fashioned love imo but the ruskin ones aren't bad. I like some of the standards esp silent night on slide guitar, that's so gorgeous. the last piece on the second album is a bizarre mix of fahey in brooding bola sete mode and festive cheer that's my kind of christmas tune

ogmor, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 02:21 (three years ago) Permalink

^Agreed about "Christ's Saints of God Fantasy". From what I can recall, there were more than a couple moments that I do dig on the New Possibility. Maybe it's that all those moments came from this tune + "Silent Night".

The New Possibility (1968)
Christmas With John Fahey Volume II (1975)
Christmas Guitar - Volume One (1982)
Popular Songs of Christmas & New Years - with Terry Robb (1983)

I've always confusingly stared at inclusion of "Volume One" on the 1980 release, maybe it's because Varrick envisioned an entire series of "Christmas Guitar" on their label? Come to think of it, I've never listened to the 1983 release with Terry Robb. Not exactly a Christmas album, but "Yes, Jesus Loves Me - Guitar Hymns" (1980), could be included in this vein as well, and I'd say it's a pretty good one. Fahey is probably the only Christian music I've loved this much, hah! Imagine if his only recorded output was the Christmas albums and albums of hymns. What would our contemporary look like?

Neal Cassady, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 02:51 (three years ago) Permalink

**I've always confusingly stared at inclusion of "Volume One" on the 1982 release

Neal Cassady, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 02:52 (three years ago) Permalink

IIRC the playing can get a little sloppy (or "goopy" IMO) on yes, jesus loves me, but it's still somehow one of the better fahey albums, just because he draws a lot of inspiration from those old hymns.

i wonder why the 2nd christmas LP hasn't been properly reissued/remastered.

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 03:13 (three years ago) Permalink

I was taking a look at discogs for that post and noticed Takoma & Rhino combined both Christmas volume 1 and 2 for a CD and cassette reissue in 1993. Then in 2012 Burnside Records cropped melodies and combined material from what looks like all the Christmas albums for a compilation generically titled "The John Fahey Christmas Album"... and in the process used a variation on the "Yes, Jesus Loves Me" album art for the cover of their comp. Man, if his catalog isn't one confusing thing after another.

Another bit of odd info is that Fahey used one of Ragtime Ralph's (credited as Ralph Johnston) compositions on the "Christmas Guitar - Volume One" album. I've always been bummed that Ralph's work still remain's officially unreleased at this point in time. Thankfully he used the resources of the internet though and has shared all his stuff with us that way. He says he's got a new album "Delta Slider Blues" ready for next year on his self-release label Empty Square.

Neal Cassady, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 03:36 (three years ago) Permalink

I guess I'll be the one to stump for the New Possibility, where I can understand why people don't like it as a great Fahey record, and it is very autere and fairly unadventerous for him but I guess I sort of grew up going to a Lutheran church so I kind of find some kind of odd power in those fusty white key hymnal melodies and I think something in them resonates w.Fahey as well, whether it was greed driven or not it certainly wouldn't be the first or last time someone created art while trying to make a buck

but yeah it's very stately and sort of mournful to me, which i guess could be gloopy or overly staid to another's ears but something about it resonates w/me

it's definitely one of the most "uncool" Fahey records, maybe aside from the corny parts of Old Fashioned Love (which I kinda like too actually)

but yeah xmas hymns sort of resonate in some way back part of my mind being a little kid and going to "candlelight" xmas eve services w/my grandma or mom, where they turn the lights down and everyone gets to hold a candle which seemed really eerie to me in a way that stuff can only seem when you are very little

Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 17:56 (three years ago) Permalink

but yeah xmas hymns sort of resonate in some way back part of my mind being a little kid and going to "candlelight" xmas eve services w/my grandma or mom, where they turn the lights down and everyone gets to hold a candle which seemed really eerie to me in a way that stuff can only seem when you are very little

I have the same exact resonance with tunes like "Silent Night" and childhood church experiences. Can remember some seriously extended versions (that would be primarily instrumental) that would go as long as it would take for the candle-lighting to make its way to the back of the room. I got lost in that moment for sure, both eerie and beautiful and heavy all at once. Still love that tune (as evidenced by the cover I posted last year).

grandavis, Wednesday, 31 December 2014 18:14 (three years ago) Permalink

I will also rep for New Possibility, my mom would play that during the holidays when I was young and I've always loved it, it is certainly a different beast though

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 18:51 (three years ago) Permalink

i dig the new possibility, austere is a very good word for it though

marcos, Wednesday, 31 December 2014 18:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Over the past day or so I went all in and submitted all of Ralph Johnston's Ragtime Ralph/Blind Brand X projects to the Discogs database. Good lord is that a tedious process. But I wanted to make sure his solo guitar discography is noted alongside his past efforts as a member of various surf (!) and experimental bands. Then, when I visited the profile page for the surf band he founded in 1989, I came across this gem:

Vancouver’s The Surfdusters were founded in 1989 by lead guitarist Ralph Johnston and rhythm guitarist Rich Hagensen. The played their last live appearance in November 2001.
Eleven of their instrumentals, all from the ‘Save The Waves’ CD, have been featured in various episodes of SpongeBob Square Pants.

Neal Cassady, Sunday, 4 January 2015 05:15 (three years ago) Permalink

haha wow! good work too. had no idea he was into surf guitar too, glenn jones too of course, anyone else?

ogmor, Sunday, 4 January 2015 13:03 (three years ago) Permalink

degrees of separation between spongebob and skip james just shrunk considerably

Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 4 January 2015 14:23 (three years ago) Permalink

Sorry to break topic here, but what is the opinion on Alexander Turnquist? I just picked up Flying Fantasy. It's very orchestrated Leo Kottke-ish on acid, kind of. Does he fit in with this crowd?

austinato (Austin), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 07:33 (three years ago) Permalink

honestly, it was shitty but MAN that was a memorable round table...seeing mild mannered glenn jones go beast mode was too good

and he got kicked out fairly early so there actually was a really good discussion that happened

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 October 2018 17:50 (four days ago) Permalink

For sure. I also remember "REWRITING HISTORY" or something. He probably thought he was doing the audience a big favor filtering all of the comments by the panel, you know so we wouldn't be mislead by BULLSHIT or whatnot.

Evan, Friday, 19 October 2018 17:56 (four days ago) Permalink

Is there footage of this? Surely someone recorded it. I'd be fine with watching it post-Rosenthal ousting, even. It seems like after that fest, everyone I knew who is into this stuff was talking more about the panel than anyone who actually played the festival

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 19 October 2018 20:10 (four days ago) Permalink

there was video being shot no idea if or when it will be released

musically the festival was amazing, so many highlights, esp nathan bowles, marisa anderson, bachman, george stavis, pretty much everyone was good to great

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 October 2018 20:13 (four days ago) Permalink

Maybe a weird thing to say, but it is pretty fitting that a festival set up to honor Fahey's legacy (amongst other things) involved some bonkers drama and contentiousness. I mean, the man had many layers, and that was certainly one.

Still sorry I couldn't be up there for the whole thing.

grandavis, Monday, 22 October 2018 13:50 (yesterday) Permalink

Paul, there are audio recordings (and video of certain performances) of the whole fest that are available—if I send you a link via the ILX email message system is it going to hit the right inbox? Let me know if you have another way I should reach out? Not sure if someone has already sent this link over to you but there is an MP3 of the panel housed inside the folders.

Davis, I for real tried to find you at the closing performances @ the Rhizome, like going up to a couple people and asked “Sorry, is your name Davis?”… lol, I headed out around 12AM or 1AM because I had a flight out at 5AM. We will meet one day though, for sure!

Neal Cassady, Monday, 22 October 2018 16:28 (yesterday) Permalink

Aww man, sorry to hear that! I was definitely at Rhizome too! Got to meet UMS and Global but mostly was inside checking the performances. I was eager for music as I had missed almost all of it, but I imagine everyone else was burned out and just looking to hang. So yeah, sorry to miss you, but maybe next time!

grandavis, Monday, 22 October 2018 17:32 (yesterday) Permalink

xp Thanks, Neal! A friend sent me a Dropbox link to what I assumed were audio recordings, but I hadn't had a chance to look until now - got 'em! Just photos of the panel though, no audio or video. Oh well! Looking forward to diving into some of these sets...

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 22 October 2018 17:48 (yesterday) Permalink

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