D'Angelo - Black Messiah (2014)

What he's saying is that D'Angelo's more about fitting his voice in with the groove just right, as opposed to singing 'melody lines'. Like, the first time I listened to BM I remarked on how little D'Angelo there is in the overall mix. It's all down to little 'pah-PAH''s and 'dap-dow''s, squiggling songlines that weave complexly in and out the beat. He's definitely there of course, but his vocal lines work more like another, highly flexible, instrument than anything else. I hear parallels in things like later Miles Davis records where the trumpet will serve to pepper and punctuate the groove of the other musicians - always central, always essential, but rarely taking over from the rest of the action.

dangelo is a gospel singer 1st, and this album even though he sidelined the keys is his most gospel vocals yet, even if betray my heart would be the only straight gospel song here. being a gospel singer in melody is not just about the straight pop hooks you and StillAdvance are trying to compare him to, the melody is created through the verses and the song as a whole.

I'm declaring Till Its Done a straight Badu homage

holy shit Jesse Johnson from The Time is on guitar somewhere. Percussion on Sugah Daddy is not by Questlove but James Gadson and writing contributed by Q Tip on that track too. D Angelo down as playing 9 instruments on album.

is anyone else credited with doing a lot of the keyboards? because there's some really lovely piano on the album

I would assume that's D himself!

gotta be. and he played that insane bass on 1000 Deaths.

"no digital "plug-ins" of any kind were used in this recording. all of the recording, processing, effects and mixing was done in the analog domain using tape and mostly vintage equippment."

but not editing, you'll notice. i can't imagine that they didn't edit it in Pro Tools after recording to tape. one of the engineers mentioned needing a couple hours to bring up a session when D wanted to switch songs, but that's probably to recall all the outboard mixing & effects settings, i'm guessing.

if you wanted to do legit complicated analog tape splice editing it today it would involve getting a serious old school industry dude

yup there's no way this was edited on tape

apparently they're cramming a 56-minute album onto one LP for the vinyl release, boo

― christmas with the canks (some dude), Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:49 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are there any well known examples of the "echoes" people here from narrow grooves?

even the studios and studio bods I know who are proudly analog would only edit on digital tbh

maybe they brought zappa back from the dead

apparently they're cramming a 56-minute album onto one LP for the vinyl release, boo
― christmas with the canks (some dude), Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:49 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are there any well known examples of the "echoes" people here from narrow grooves?

― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:00 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

goddamn it is this confirmed? cuz then i might as well go buy on CD to support the first week sales

Jesse Johnson's guitar all over this thing, not on just on SD.

doing some digging this is the pink fender D'angelo uses today, given to him by, Jesse Holding it on the inner sleeve of Shockadelica

http://i.imgur.com/vD7gbgH.jpg

here it is again

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/336486/Jesse+Johnson.jpg

no wait, that's not it lol

all pink guitars look alike eh

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/3912158/Jesse+Johnson+J+Johnson+Pink+Guitar.jpg

that is a G&L

my Publix is fond of a not bad by chart DOA duet with Sly Stone from '86 called "Crazay."

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2012/09/the-best-song-of-2012-dangelos-the-charade.html

BTW - on the vinyl pressing, I asked on Twitter and apparantly it's a double LP? (which would make sense given the running time)

Ben Kane ‏@kanevibrations 45m45 minutes ago
@MattHelgeson it's a double LP and yes it was pressed from the hi def digital master which came off our tapes. It'll sound great!

my secret shame about this album is that Charade is my least favorite

it's not one that leaps out at me - wfmu blog correctly that it leans a lot on late-period Prince "rock" singles

xp I think they originally said double. But then the website says only "Side A" and "Side B", which I guess really means "Disc 1" and "Disc 2".

yeah that's why i was confused...but 58 minutes would really be pushing, I'm not even sure if that would physically be possible

from United Pressing's site:

12" Records

12" records are both the standard LP size and the standard for club DJ's. 12" Records can be cut at 45RPM or 33 1/3 RPM. When cut at 33 1/3 you can hold approximately 18:00 minutes per side. When cut at 45 you can hold approximately 12:00 minutes per side. These numbers are not set in stone they are just a suggested max as the quality can suffer at times if you go much over that.

so if 18 is reasonable max, let's say you totally pushed it to even 25 minutes per side, you'd still be 8 minutes short, and I'm not sure you can push 7 minutes over 18 per side anyway

can't be done

hey wait aren't there a bunch of miles records with crazy amounts of music smashed into one side? he loved him madly and calypso frelimo are both over 30 minutes

maybe it took almost 15 years to come out because they had to develop the technology to press it on a single slab of vinyl

hoffman boards say manilow did it

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-longest-major-label-music-lp-ever-barry-manilow-20-greatest-hits-pics-inside.186171/

but either way if the engineer says its 2 LPs I'll trust him

Track listing for Get Up With It

All compositions by Miles Davis.

Side one

"He Loved Him Madly" (1974) –32:05

Side two

"Maiysha" (1974) –14:49
"Honky Tonk" (1970) –5:54
"Rated X" (1972) –6:49

Side three

"Calypso Frelimo" (1973) –32:10

Side four

"Red China Blues" (1972) –4:10
"Mtume" (1974) –15:12
"Billy Preston" (1972) –12:35

it's definitely possible to press it as a single LP, but 2xLP would be much, much better

Albums used to regularly contain 20-25 minutes of music per side in the late 70s and 80s. That said, the copy of Metallica's ...And Justice For All I bought in 1988 had this sticker on the front:

http://cdn.discogs.com/hYvSYje9qLSyzyA2sz4asSHSgFQ=/fit-in/600x304/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb()/discogs-images/R-521407-1329666487.jpeg.jpg

yeah those grooves need to be deep for this

aaaaaaaaaaaaaand that metallica record still sounds like shit

30 minutes on a side is gonna sound like garbage, is the thing

especially for music this dense

http://www.vinylrecorder.com/time.html

(high volume, deep groove, much bass) : 12": 4 minutes
this is the order of the day here people

30 minutes on a side is gonna sound like garbage, is the thing

especially for music this dense

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, December 17, 2014 3:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh yea i'm not saying it's optimal. just that it is possible and there are many examples of major releases doing this

who can forget the deep bass-heavy groove on that metallica record

groovy lars

mixing that record out of spite is still one of the great stupid rock n' roll moves of all time

can't believe q-tip didn't have a hand in the production of sugah daddy, that beat has him all over it

if the vinyl is actually mastered from a HD digital mix via the original audio tapes it might be one of the very few times buying the vinyl edition of a contemporary album will actually be worthwhile. but chances are you aren't going to hear anything you don't hear on the CDs, except for some degree of needle static and added reverberations of course (the amount depending on your system).

that And Justice For All sticker is great. odd that metallica of all folks (or their record company I guess) would be audiophiles.

http://i.imgur.com/EgL338s.png

finn26 not OTM

"except for some degree of needle static"

lucky for everyone who has the cd (like me - and this album sounds so much better on cd than mp3), they put some static at the side of what would be 'side 2' already (i hate that actually, its a bit corny, and a touch TOO retro-fetishy for me).

not to keep banging on about it, but this album REALLY needs to start with 1000 deaths. it works so much better that way. no idea why it isnt the starter.

Absolutely. It sets up the whole record.