ILX Gonna Shine in My Backdoor Someday (new post-Fahey folk for ppl posting in Takoma/Tompkins Square threads Pt II)

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The Gunn/Mike Cooper and Gunn/Gangloff records both came out this year I think, and both contain a good range of playing outside of his "Way Out Weather" mode. It will be interesting to see what side of the divide the upcoming Gunn/Black Twig Pickers record will ride, but my guess is I will dig it. Hope some of it revisits this territory though:

http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Black_Twig_Pickers_and_Steve_Gunn/NATCH_1/Salted_Caramel

grandavis, Monday, 15 December 2014 17:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Global mentioned notable records from this year, and I wanna bring up Bachman's "Orange Co. Serenade". Really enjoyed it & definitely revisit it pretty frequently. Feel like he is growing and really may be just hitting his stride now, though who knows. New record on Three Lobed apparently out in April or May. Saw him Saturday night and the new songs were great, no reason not to believe that this next record will be anything other than really good.

grandavis, Monday, 15 December 2014 17:14 (three years ago) Permalink

dammit I forgot about that in my EOY listening binge this weekend, will check it out!

fwiw my introduction to Gunn was his side of the "Not The Spaces You Know..." comp, which I loved

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Monday, 15 December 2014 17:16 (three years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, shouldn't have forgotten the Daniel Bachman one! I think I've come around on that one, seems like the most cohesive release he's done so far.

Also Charlie Parr doesn't usually fit in this thread but he did a release this year that definitely does. It's called Hollandale- some really nicely recorded exploratory fingerpicked instrumentals. All on a National resonator, which sounds awesome/immense at times. Some cool sounds and textures added... anyway, may have been overlooked in this thread... It's on Spotify

global tetrahedron, Monday, 15 December 2014 18:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Has this been shared yet? HD video of Tashi playing on WFMU, last September.

vimeo.com/wfmu/review/106853495/6f23ec5808

Neal Cassady, Monday, 15 December 2014 22:28 (three years ago) Permalink

gamelan for guitar

Neal Cassady, Monday, 15 December 2014 22:31 (three years ago) Permalink

awesome

global tetrahedron, Monday, 15 December 2014 22:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Whatever he's got there on the neck is partially under certain strings and on top of others. He accidentally bumps into it at one point and it seems very loose. I thought it was a capo at first. Such crazy sounds coming out of that guitar.

Neal Cassady, Monday, 15 December 2014 22:50 (three years ago) Permalink

Watching the video as I'm commenting, probably not the best idea. Still don't know what that is, even with the close ups.

Neal Cassady, Monday, 15 December 2014 22:52 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought it was a hairclip, it loops round the top string.

ogmor, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 15:19 (three years ago) Permalink

Think Ogmor is right, looks like a large barrette, the cheap kind you can get at CVS etc.

grandavis, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 15:38 (three years ago) Permalink

coupla good tashi things over on the FMA: http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Tashi_Dorji/

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 16:02 (three years ago) Permalink

for the record here are my fave ilx-brigade kinda things of 2014. the usuals!

Chris Forsyth & The Solar Motel Band - Intensity Ghost
Nathan Bowles - Nansemond
Steve Gunn - Way Out Weather
Daniel Bachman - Orange Co. Serenade
William Tyler - Lost Colony
Tashi Dorji - s/t
Don Bikoff - Hallowed Ground
Mike & Cara Gangloff - Black Ribbon of Death, Silver Thread of Life
Alvarius B. / Sir Richard Bishop - If You Don’t Like It … Don’t!
Bill Orcutt - VDSQ
Sir Richard Bishop - VDSQ
Anthony Pasquarosa - VDSQ
Robbie Basho - Art of the Acoustic Steel String Guitar 12 & 6
Smoke Dawson - Fiddle

more singer-songwriter-y things, but joan shelley (feat. nathan salsburg on some tracks) and ryley walker LPs are recommended too!

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 16:05 (three years ago) Permalink

shit i forgot about bikoff

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 16:13 (three years ago) Permalink

also you might say me and global are slightly excited about playing this show

http://first-avenue.com/event/2015/01/americanprimitive

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 16:14 (three years ago) Permalink

nice!
yeah, if you ignore the bikoff cover art, it's a really nice record.

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 16:20 (three years ago) Permalink

that amy in quebec track is so close to wine&roses/red pony/approaching of the disco void its almost a cover

ogmor, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 17:07 (three years ago) Permalink

was watching some fahey live on youtube last night...here's an 81 gig, with apparently Michael Hedges opening (sorry folks no records available didn't get pressed in time)...Fahey is being really smarmy in his banter, the set itself verges from awkward to hypnotic, found his flopping down combover hair kind of distracting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP08Y3DsJvs

this is a 2000 set, he does a lot of dicking around/joking around at the beginning, but about the 7:40 mark on he gets going and it's actually pretty cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5jXrutGt2U

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 17:11 (three years ago) Permalink

We going the "https:..." route to skip embeds? Not that I don't love opening this thread to shots of Fahey at his weirdest ....

grandavis, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 17:22 (three years ago) Permalink

oops sorry

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 17:23 (three years ago) Permalink

A leaner/meaner thread for 2015 I guess. I'll miss the Fahey gut though.

grandavis, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 17:26 (three years ago) Permalink

Transmissions Fest footage is new to me, awesome. I wish more people openly talked about his later work without full on the talk of "well, I don't know about this, but look at what he used to do." The only thing that I can't fully grasp is the Hitomi material, some of it is played in that Transmissions Fest video. Kinda feel like it goes down easier when you get to watch him play like that, on record is another thing. There is another noodley electric gig on youtube that actually does have a lot of syncopation; and getting to hear old styles on an electric is pretty nice. There aren't many artists that went so far in the other direction, let alone an instance where you get to watch past material with a new technique. Defiantly would rather have had Fahey do all that then not. I dig The Mill Pond lots. It's not too different than some of the stuff that is out there today. Womblife gets so zonked in parts you can't help but grin.

Neal Cassady, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 22:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Loving this Glenn Jones tune, "The Teething Necklace (For John Fahey)"
xxx.youtube.com/watch?v=6qd7pWITPQQ

Neal Cassady, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 22:05 (three years ago) Permalink

Couple things I put together,

John Fahey's Adelphi Sessions, the Dance of Death outtakes. Uploaded as MP3's, posted on my blog:
http://broadcastsfrompoorfarm.tumblr.com/post/105403178308/john-fahey-adelphi-sessions-the-dance-of-death

Scanned my copy of the mail order catalog from Fonotone Records, interesting curio. Includes the numerous early Fahey comps Joe Bussard curated for Fonotone.
http://broadcastsfrompoorfarm.tumblr.com/post/105401770173/fonotone-records-mail-order-catalog-pdf-booklet

I finally put together some new lapstyle material and wanted to share it here. "Blue For al-Watawit of Yashkur" sits as is, in a sorta demo state. I didn't want to forget all the new ideas I've been having, yet also told myself I wouldn't record again until I bought a nice microphone. Of course, I got impatient, so here we are. Before they find a home somewhere, I do want to properly record them.
http://raglore.com/album/blue-for-al-watawit-of-yashkur

Link for the MP3's are posted here,
http://broadcastsfrompoorfarm.tumblr.com/post/105403934713/rag-lore-blue-for-al-watawit-of

Neal Cassady, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 02:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Look forward to checking this stuff out

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 December 2014 03:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Cool, thanks Neal! Actually already listened to your "Blue For al-Watawit of Yashkur" tracks (Mr. Avant Ghetto threw them up on twitter yesterday), really enjoyed them. First track sucked me right in, so yeah make a recording you are happy with and I am on board!

grandavis, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 17:57 (three years ago) Permalink

neal - or others - what microphones/mic pres do you guys use? this coming year i need to get serious about recording an album

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 December 2014 19:11 (three years ago) Permalink

like your new stuff neal

the only Tashi Dorji song on Spotify is a cool little curio, electronic remix featuring his guitar of a song by some psychey dude name Al Lover

http://open.spotify.com/track/2HxzI5VuTvgdbTGolZ7x7G

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:00 (three years ago) Permalink

Thanks dudes, I have always just been using a portable digital Tascam recorder from B&H Photo that I bought a while back. It fits in your pocket so I've used it while out and walking around, but it's not a good choice for recording guitar at this point, I loved it at first bc of how much of an improvement it was over using the internal MacBook mic. I sold my two amps (+all other musical electronics) years ago during collage, which I regret now. As I would like to record traditionally with a mic and amp set up. Either using the sound hole or install a pick up. How about USB mics? Been talked about here before I think. Decent clarity from the models available now?

Neal Cassady, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:34 (three years ago) Permalink

I think the solution is to just meet someone in town with a set up :) - that way I can avoid all of this.

Neal Cassady, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:36 (three years ago) Permalink

I've posted things upthread recorded with the Blue Yeti (120 new but you can def find a ton of these used on ebay, got mine for 80 on craigslist)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=857749&gclid=Cj0KEQiA8MSkBRCP5LaRlcOAusMBEiQAiqldkgFeoLzZuCr_Hg1GQ03TBk1qSggFdqEqo5fQpNn1jLgaAgF98P8HAQ&is=REG&Q=&A=details

you can hear the stuff i've done, which is minimally processed, a bit EQd and maybe compressed slighty with some audicity plugin reverb on it, but overall I'd say USB mics have come a long way

of course, I'm just plotting about how I want to get a USB DAC/Mic pre unit and a better XLR mic so I suppose one is always unsatisfied.

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:38 (three years ago) Permalink

gonna check out yr new thing neal! i've dug the rag lore things i've heard so far.
just got hipped to this thing via soft abuse's twitter -- maybe it was mentioned on the old thread? https://moonbros.bandcamp.com/album/frijolillo - kind of low-key/dreamy/fieldrecording-y/acoustic action. i like it!

tylerw, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:45 (three years ago) Permalink

Neal there is also a USB model of the Blue Spark which is supposed to be great on acoustics

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 December 2014 00:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Nice yeah, I remember reading a while back about you UMS using the Blue Yeti for your material. If you search a phrase like 'USB mic acoustic guitar' on youtube the Blue Yeti seems to comes up the most, also something called the Snowball. Though, I think based on the sound samples the Yeti comes out on top. I'll look into that Blue Spark too.

No other time than now to get a project down. Should defiantly put together something. Stick it on a tape and send it to people, flinging around links is nerve racking sometimes though.

I used to work at the main public library of Virginia and was hired at the perfect moment where they were getting rid of all the old analog stereo equipment and vinyl records. It was a dream to hoard of that kind of stuff. I got a working reel to reel, but haven't yet grabbed any tape to use it. Would love to have it up and running.

Neal Cassady, Thursday, 18 December 2014 03:31 (three years ago) Permalink

Reel to reel would sound great

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 December 2014 03:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Grandavis did you end up heading to the hometown Daniel Bachman gig in Fredericksburg? A full video of it was posted a few days ago - includes some of the new material that should be coming up on the Three Lobed Record.

vimeo.com/114599709

Neal Cassady, Thursday, 18 December 2014 04:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Nah, I had to skip it as it was early in the day and I had too much to do. Watched the video already though! Wanna reiterate that I really like the new tunes that'll be on the next record. Bachman is chugging along into some sweet territory. The lap stuff is a real joy live too.

grandavis, Thursday, 18 December 2014 13:03 (three years ago) Permalink

listening to that new Bachman right now, loving it, getting some sweet "Paris, Texas" vibes off of "Coming Home"

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Friday, 19 December 2014 01:07 (three years ago) Permalink

btw global is gonna be opening for bachman in mpls in the new year!

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 December 2014 02:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Very good shows happening in mpls these days, would love to catch that Metzger one (w/ Global and UMS) as well. Have fun with that.

grandavis, Friday, 19 December 2014 13:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Pretty nice playlist here from John Mulvey (his Uncut series). Lots of stuff hit up in this thread, but throwing more kudos towards Neal's Rag Lore "Blue For al-Watawit of Yashkur" tracks. Cool to see folks from here getting out there and bringing it. Hope you get that record made this year UMS!

grandavis, Friday, 19 December 2014 13:28 (three years ago) Permalink

my goal is to upgrade to a small basement studio, been scoping out gear and i think i get get a good setup going for less than $500

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 December 2014 15:47 (three years ago) Permalink

so easy to get obsessed w/researching gear/recording stuff but you also gotta remember that you won't ever make anything 1/2 as a good as a blind blake record that was recorded at less fidelity than the microphone on your iphone

you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 December 2014 15:48 (three years ago) Permalink

i use my phone to record and i think it sounds pretty good!

vigetable (La Lechera), Friday, 19 December 2014 16:21 (three years ago) Permalink

for a basement recording with a device not built intentionally to record music

vigetable (La Lechera), Friday, 19 December 2014 16:22 (three years ago) Permalink

i am usually amazed by how good those iphone recordings come out. i mean, obviously not pro quality or anything... but good!

tylerw, Friday, 19 December 2014 16:31 (three years ago) Permalink

fwiw I once again voice my preference for separate threads for making this music / listening to this music. I'd frequent both, but these threads get p unwieldy as it is without microphone reviews and stuff.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 19 December 2014 16:58 (three years ago) Permalink

merry christmas guys

"hello there, uh John Fahey here.."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrJQystmyl8

Neal Cassady, Friday, 26 December 2014 04:04 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought "https" was supposed to block video embeds?

Oh well :/ still wishing well to everyone here anyway!

Neal Cassady, Friday, 26 December 2014 04:07 (three years ago) Permalink

Alright, ventured into test threads.

Both "http" and "https" will embed viewable youtubes for me in Safari and Chrome.
If I use "www" as well as no URL prefix at all, the video won't embed.

Though, if I head back to the old thread, "https" links are still the way they were: not embedded.
That's all I've got, maybe this isn't the case for everyone else, but I'll leave out all http(s) going forward.

Neal Cassady, Friday, 26 December 2014 05:09 (three years ago) Permalink

oh yeah that's some good shit, I got to see him on that 2008 Terrastock tour

sleeve, Friday, 21 September 2018 20:00 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

ok so it's definitely not exclusively guitar music, but this is where tashi dorji fans might gather right?

last night i went to the record release show for Kuzu and wowee zowee did they rip. recommended if you like powerhouse supergroups like rangda but think maybe they have gotten a bit dull
https://rempisdorjidamon.bandcamp.com

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 14 October 2018 14:25 (one week ago) Permalink

also they are still on tour, catch them if they are in your city!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 14 October 2018 14:33 (one week ago) Permalink

thanks for the reminder!

sleeve, Sunday, 14 October 2018 15:15 (one week ago) Permalink

Awesome, was not aware of this, love Dori

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 14 October 2018 23:10 (one week ago) Permalink

this is great not sure if it's been posted before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9y0URyk9R0

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 20:50 (six days ago) Permalink

nice.
going to see tashi dorji at naropa university in boulder this weekend! :D

tylerw, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 21:33 (six days ago) Permalink

with Kuzu? they are seriously the best

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 21:40 (six days ago) Permalink

i think he's just playing solo? but I'm not sure. it's free! everyone should come out to boulder for it, I've got a guest room.

tylerw, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 22:07 (six days ago) Permalink

psyched to see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=bNRXzmiCQ0I

tylerw, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 22:33 (six days ago) Permalink

is that being released somewhere?

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 22:48 (six days ago) Permalink

i'm not sure! a friend of mine saw some of this footage at a festival a little while ago, so it all exists in some kind of presentable form ...

tylerw, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 22:55 (six days ago) Permalink

From what I could follow it seems like there was an Indiegogo for putting together a documentary about it/about the group of people that put it on/plus selected footage from the fest. It seems somehow related to Fat Possum but I’m not 100% sure?
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-blues-society-a-documentary-film#/

There is also this other narrative that I remember coming from Gene Rosenthal where he apparently had a TV broadcast crew out there and filmed the entire thing—but is either apprehensive about releasing it, or wants to release it but is holding it back for some reason. I’m not sure what the story was but it always came across as slight bragging about owning the footage but not willing to confirm that the project will finish anytime soon.

Not sure if there’s been further talk from Gene because a couple months after going to 1000 Rose, I eventually unfriended or unfollowed him so I didn’t have to keep seeing all that toxic-talk happening almost daily, lol. It was nice for a while just for the novel wtf factor but… I don’t know, it’s too much.

Neal Cassady, Friday, 19 October 2018 14:31 (four days ago) Permalink

haha yeah I mean I knew of Adelphi but my first and only impression of him was when he got booted for being such a childish dickhead during the roundtable discussion at 1000 Rose so yeah I don't really get what his deal is

I really actually fucking hate that whole old school collector mentality where it's like they feel like they own the fucking music because they have all these artifacts and shit they hoard

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 October 2018 15:35 (four days ago) Permalink

anyone read that White Tears book from last year? I didn't think it was particularly great, but it did deal with some of that overall mentality.

tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2018 15:42 (four days ago) Permalink

I really actually fucking hate that whole old school collector mentality where it's like they feel like they own the fucking music because they have all these artifacts and shit they hoard
seriously this behavior is unbecoming at best and not to be allowed when it's anything like the loud verbal abuse that was described upthread at that festival. these people are probably also total misogynists? just a guess?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 19 October 2018 16:47 (four days ago) Permalink

maybe some are merely partial misogynists

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 19 October 2018 16:47 (four days ago) Permalink

I’m not sure what the story was but it always came across as slight bragging about owning the footage but not willing to confirm that the project will finish anytime soon.
attention needy too? shocking!
he releases it and no one tolerates him anymore

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 19 October 2018 16:49 (four days ago) Permalink

yeah it think it's a mix of elitism, misogyny and fundamentally being super weird & wound-up, esp because they'd actually done a good job of getting a diverse panel and after one of the women asked him to stop at least glenn jones had him kicked out and removed from the room....coley said they'd actually intended to have an open mic for audience questions but pulled it at the last minute because they knew he would get up there and filibuster whatever weird ideas he has about "real" american primitive

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 October 2018 17:13 (four days ago) Permalink

yuck
create a schism and leave that guy behind imo
again, glenn jones super otm

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 19 October 2018 17:16 (four days ago) Permalink

any relation to Josh?

sleeve, Friday, 19 October 2018 17:32 (four days ago) Permalink

nah i think the last names are just a coincidence

josh rosenthal i think was major label record industry dude before he left to do tompkins

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 October 2018 17:41 (four days ago) Permalink

By the time the day of the panel had arrived he was going with the intention to pick a fight for sure. The signs were pre-written and his wife was recording with her phone behind him.

Evan, Friday, 19 October 2018 17:42 (four days ago) Permalink

what a weirdo

tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2018 17:44 (four days ago) Permalink

i remember he had an assortment of signs:"OPINION" "BULLSHIT" and "CONTEMPORARY GUITAR" (which I guess he thinks is what American Primitive should be called and held up every time the term was brought up)

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 October 2018 17:49 (four days ago) Permalink

honestly, it was shitty but MAN that was a memorable round table...seeing mild mannered glenn jones go beast mode was too good

and he got kicked out fairly early so there actually was a really good discussion that happened

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 October 2018 17:50 (four days ago) Permalink

For sure. I also remember "REWRITING HISTORY" or something. He probably thought he was doing the audience a big favor filtering all of the comments by the panel, you know so we wouldn't be mislead by BULLSHIT or whatnot.

Evan, Friday, 19 October 2018 17:56 (four days ago) Permalink

Is there footage of this? Surely someone recorded it. I'd be fine with watching it post-Rosenthal ousting, even. It seems like after that fest, everyone I knew who is into this stuff was talking more about the panel than anyone who actually played the festival

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 19 October 2018 20:10 (four days ago) Permalink

there was video being shot no idea if or when it will be released

musically the festival was amazing, so many highlights, esp nathan bowles, marisa anderson, bachman, george stavis, pretty much everyone was good to great

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 October 2018 20:13 (four days ago) Permalink

Maybe a weird thing to say, but it is pretty fitting that a festival set up to honor Fahey's legacy (amongst other things) involved some bonkers drama and contentiousness. I mean, the man had many layers, and that was certainly one.

Still sorry I couldn't be up there for the whole thing.

grandavis, Monday, 22 October 2018 13:50 (yesterday) Permalink

Paul, there are audio recordings (and video of certain performances) of the whole fest that are available—if I send you a link via the ILX email message system is it going to hit the right inbox? Let me know if you have another way I should reach out? Not sure if someone has already sent this link over to you but there is an MP3 of the panel housed inside the folders.

Davis, I for real tried to find you at the closing performances @ the Rhizome, like going up to a couple people and asked “Sorry, is your name Davis?”… lol, I headed out around 12AM or 1AM because I had a flight out at 5AM. We will meet one day though, for sure!

Neal Cassady, Monday, 22 October 2018 16:28 (yesterday) Permalink

Aww man, sorry to hear that! I was definitely at Rhizome too! Got to meet UMS and Global but mostly was inside checking the performances. I was eager for music as I had missed almost all of it, but I imagine everyone else was burned out and just looking to hang. So yeah, sorry to miss you, but maybe next time!

grandavis, Monday, 22 October 2018 17:32 (yesterday) Permalink

xp Thanks, Neal! A friend sent me a Dropbox link to what I assumed were audio recordings, but I hadn't had a chance to look until now - got 'em! Just photos of the panel though, no audio or video. Oh well! Looking forward to diving into some of these sets...

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 22 October 2018 17:48 (yesterday) Permalink


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