My name is Barry Allen and I'm the fastest man alive: THE FLASH tv show

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as implied by my ecstacy over the word "GRODD" i also love the little hints at DC lore to come, i.e. the dead Star Labs dude being named Ronnie Raymond

from what i understand barry allen made friends with arrow when visiting keystone city, then got powers, but lives in central city so they're more like facebook buddies than co-workers

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 22:22 (four years ago) link

if this and arrow keep up the good buzz i think there's a very good chance that DC will wake up and incorporate these guys into film justice league plans. Unless Ezra Miller is all over BatSupes they've certainly got the time to come around and realize film/tv synergy wouldn't be a bad thing

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 22:23 (four years ago) link

honestly grant gustin could be a bonafide celeb by the time the hypothetical flash movie is due to appear

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 22:25 (four years ago) link

lol would love to see Grodd on this show

I haven't watched Arrow at all, totally inessential viewing in respect to the Flash

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 22:37 (four years ago) link

as much as i love the dc lore/rogues gallery stuff, i think the thing that really stands out is how his power isn't a problem but the way OUT of his problems. even spidey in the films always acts like being spidey kinda sucks, barry allen's a well-intentioned dude who wants to help people and now can in ways that thrill him both physically and mentally.

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 22:59 (four years ago) link

true, he is refreshingly angst-free.

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:02 (four years ago) link

it's weird/sad because I always stress to my daughter that Superman is not the greatest superhero because he is the most powerful, but because he always does the right thing. He's an ideal. But most contemporary superhero films depict superheroes doing the right thing almost incidentally - their real motivations are usually guilt or anger or some "this time it's PERSONAL" vendetta type thing. I'm so sick of that.

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:04 (four years ago) link

xp
Funny you say that given the dead mother retcon that spawned half the series' major plot points thus far.

tsrobodo, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:06 (four years ago) link

I mean I like the show but a lot of it serves to remind me why I don't read DC comics anymore

tsrobodo, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:07 (four years ago) link

yeah he's still an orphan who can't tell a girl how he feels, it's just that being The Flash is a win rather than a burden.

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:07 (four years ago) link

I've noticed references to that (the case is unsolved or something) but most of that's gone by me or I missed it

maybe this is worth watching w my daughter actually, it's had a pretty tame tone iirc

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:08 (four years ago) link

Yeah my niece loves it but she's a Glee transplant and was sold at Gustin, that being said I can see it taking dark turns in search of gravitas in future seasons.

tsrobodo, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:13 (four years ago) link

yeah his mom was killed by the reverse-flash (not a spoiler if you know what the reverse-flash looks like), with his dad thrown in jail by the weepy-eyed detective who then raised him. so it is personal but it hasn't stopped him from being a pleasant goober boy scout.

xpost yeah i'm worried the tone could change on a dime, esp if there's a change in management.

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:15 (four years ago) link

he named his quiz team E=MC Hammer

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:17 (four years ago) link

i also love that cisco looks like he could have teleported in from any hacker show over the last twenty-five years

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:18 (four years ago) link

he also looks like he could be taylor lautner's dorky cousin

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:20 (four years ago) link

has jesse l martin always looked like he's about to cry? i never noticed that until this show. granted his character has a million to reasons to be catching feelings at any moment.

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:23 (four years ago) link

dude was a single parent to his daughter and his friend's son, said friend being put in jail for murdering his wife only it turns out the wife was murdered by someone with the same magical powers the kid now uses to risk his life constantly. meanwhile the kid really wants to fuck his daughter but can't because his daughter is fucking his partner.

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:27 (four years ago) link

I like this show a lot. It's generally been better than Arrow's season 3 so far (whose story arc for this season only really started in the 9th episode) and certainly off to a better start than Arrow's season 1.

It's fun and joyous and the supporting characters are all fantastic aside from poor Iris who really needs something to do that isn't obsessing over the Flash or being lovey dovey with Eddie. Yeah okay so bad stuff happens sometimes and Barry Allen's childhood was traumatic but it's nice that hasn't been used as a reason to make another tormented hero in the vein of Oliver Queen or Nolan's Batman. Nothing wrong with those characters, it's just refreshing to have some contrast/variation.

salsa shark, Saturday, 13 December 2014 12:38 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

ahahaha "absolute hot"

celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Thursday, 22 January 2015 19:05 (four years ago) link

"It's so hot, it's like, 'How much more hot could this be?' And the answer is, none. None more hot."

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 January 2015 19:10 (four years ago) link

man those cops were lucky cap'n cold shot his freeze ray directly at their shields rather than their almost entirely exposed legs

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:31 (four years ago) link

gotta get the clock man to team up with 'em for the full prison break reunion.

pandemic, Friday, 23 January 2015 12:25 (four years ago) link

and peter stormare's playing count vertigo over in arrow!

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 23 January 2015 12:50 (four years ago) link

xp that closing shot of the last episode, with the non-reveal of whoever Wentorth Miller greeted with, "Hi, sis," my wife said "If that's Sara Tancredi I'm out."

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Friday, 23 January 2015 13:52 (four years ago) link

That'd be Lisa Snart, the secret identity of The Golden Glider.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Friday, 23 January 2015 14:25 (four years ago) link

Felt unusually poorly written, between the exposition-heavy dialogue (admittedly its the mid-season premiere), cold's unexplained relish for the corniest villain speak (really needed someone to call him out) and little bits like jesse l Martin saying he's going to give iris and Barry time alone, only we pan back after the convo and see he just went to the couch directly behind them.

I'm not really looking for people to point out corn, cliche and plot holes in earlier episodes. There was still bits I dug and it pushed the plot forward, this was just the first time I was distracted by flaws.

da croupier, Friday, 23 January 2015 14:27 (four years ago) link

am i the only one a little bit creeped out by barry being in love with a woman who could kinda be considered his sister? i know they're not related but they did grow up together and it feels weird to me.

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 23 January 2015 14:38 (four years ago) link

I wouldn't say I'm creeped out, which is probably a credit to the actors, but their family dynamic is definitely weird as fuck.

da croupier, Friday, 23 January 2015 14:41 (four years ago) link

prison break dude is terrible in this

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:05 (four years ago) link

but no one would be good with those lines tbf

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 23 January 2015 15:06 (four years ago) link

they're both prison break dudes, but either way you're otm

don't recall being annoyed by cold the first time, though

da croupier, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:16 (four years ago) link

he was chewing the scenery in his first appearance but he seems to be having more difficulty digesting it this time around

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:17 (four years ago) link

i was like "is everyone involved too busy high-fiving over the prison break reunion to notice how inexplicably goofy they're coming off right now?" - and as i had no beef with the girder clearly i'm not asking for that much emotional grounding

da croupier, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:30 (four years ago) link

if cold had expressed a jealousy of the flash - "Everybody thinks he's so cool but i'm the most awesome guy ever" that would have explained his cartoon bad boy shtick a little, but if all he cares about is being heist-puller #1 there's no reason to be acting like poochie on every network

da croupier, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:32 (four years ago) link

heat wave's hammy pyro bit at least is part of a long history of hammy pyros on tv

da croupier, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:34 (four years ago) link

i think the problem is that wentworth miller just isn't a good enough actor to pull off the over-the-top moustache-twirling villainy he's aiming for (or president keyes otm in other words)

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:35 (four years ago) link

yeah if it was more fun i would have been likely to forgive its randomness too

da croupier, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:42 (four years ago) link

on the bright side, goddamn i can't believe how much i enjoy tom cavanagh in this compared to everything else i've ever seen him in

da croupier, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:43 (four years ago) link

he's like a used car salesman who knows it's a lemon but truly believes the world will be a better place if you buy it

da croupier, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:43 (four years ago) link

yeah, he walks the line between being a gee-whiz scientist and a sinister weirdo really well.

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:46 (four years ago) link

i am worried this show will be like heroes, where it will build to such a climax this season (esp if they reveal the prof's whole deal to barry) that next season won't have the same narrative thrust. hope they can find a way to give some resolution to the reverse-flash thing without turning the prof into a straight villain. i love his balancing act too much to wanna lose it.

da croupier, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:53 (four years ago) link

also torn whether i want to see grodd now now now or know that a talking gorilla is still out there...waiting

da croupier, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:53 (four years ago) link

xp i think that's a legit concern. i was surprised that they got to the reverse flash reveal so quickly but now that they have i guess they'll be building towards a season finale featuring the time-crisis that's in the headlines of wells' newspaper from the future?

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 23 January 2015 16:01 (four years ago) link

and presumably a fight between barry and the reverse flash which goes back through time, possibly creating the lightning which struck barry on the way to the scene of his mother's murder?

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 23 January 2015 16:02 (four years ago) link

Looks like there's a means to an end thing with that reverse flash.
So I wonder if there was something worse in an alternative future that he had to retcon engineer things for.
Definitely looked like without the Flash being present in the show's current day or later in that timestream some calamity happened.
Seems really drastic that they'd have to kill Barry Allen's mum to ensure he was motivated to become The Flash though?

Stevolende, Friday, 23 January 2015 16:18 (four years ago) link

Not 100% sure that really is a reveal that the Prof is the Reverse Flash. Just because he knows about the suit and character doesn't necessarily mean it's him. Not least because there's a charade name already in use in the series directly related to the identity of (one of) the Reverse Flash(es) in the comics...

Barry Allen's mum dying is a big thing in recent-era Flash - him trying to prevent her death is the entire premise for how Flashpoint plays out.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:51 (four years ago) link

I thought the Reverse Flash looked like that Chris Hardwick cop dude

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:56 (four years ago) link

yeah, it does seem like eddie thawne could well be more than just a red herring.

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 23 January 2015 16:56 (four years ago) link

Also the thing in the future is Crisis On Infinite Earths - the headline in the newspaper about red skies gives it away, plus use of the word Crisis. Barry Allen died during it (although beware, retcon during Final Crisis) hence 'disappeared' in the newspaper.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:56 (four years ago) link

morrison's zoids comics are kinda funny cause they blatantly steal ideas and images from the alien movies and the terminator and only very slightly attempt to hide their inspirations

but they're interesting juvenilia for morrison fanatics, and there's already evidence in some of the stories of the themes he'll keep returning to over and over during his career

i may well have (ahem) acquired those issues in a perfectly legal digital format and stored them on an old external drive somewhere, let me look into it

mr greta t. gremlin (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 1 April 2019 14:07 (three months ago) link

BEARD HUNTER KLAXON

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwnClzXiMV0

arli$$ and bible black (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 April 2019 14:06 (three months ago) link

Last week's Jane-centric ep was really good.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Monday, 15 April 2019 14:19 (three months ago) link

haven't gotten around to watching that one yet but i did v much enjoy danny the street episode

arli$$ and bible black (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 April 2019 14:22 (three months ago) link

uh-oh

Production on DC Universe's Swamp Thing has unexpectedly shutdown as the show will be shortened, according to Wilmington, North Carolina's Star-News newspaper. According to several unnamed "sources within the local industry," Warner Bros. Television suspended work on the show Tuesday, April 16 and said the show was being re-written to end with episode 10. The series was announced as a 13-episode first season, to finish filming in May 2019.

According to the newspaper, Swamp Thing actor Virginia Madsen posted (but later deleted) a message on Instagram saying: "I’m beyond sad. What a terrible decision. We have been cut to the core by those who have never set foot into the Swamp. And despite the rule I am going to use the hashtag. #swampthing."

Star-News goes further, saying that the "currently in-production project is being shut down earlier than expected as its producer, Warner Bros., evaluates the future of its DC Universe streaming service".

Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:52 (two months ago) link

This was updated by a different story that said it was nothing more than creative differences between DCU (who is ultimately Johns I think) and the creative team.

Of course, the same thing happened to Titans but was less widely reported because it was the first one to hit.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:55 (two months ago) link

This week's Flash was an ABSOLUTE stinker. Nora gets worse as the weeks go on, with her mimed running my greatest pleasure in the show these days, but hats off to the makeup crew for Future Iris which made the Arrow flash-forward scenes look like Weta studios.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:57 (two months ago) link

I couldn't possibly have allowed myself to believe that quality televisual adaptations of both Doom Patrol and Swamp Thing could coexist. It's neither right nor natural.

I'm shockingly almost totally caught up with the CW shows for the first time in about two years. Haven't seen the newest Flash ep but I'm definitely pretty over Nora and (lol) her 'running'. Is it possible that the actress* has never attempted anything riskier than a brisk walk? Supergirl and Legends remain this season's MVP shows.

*It occurred to me recently that, despite having watched hundreds of hours of their antics, I know almost none of these shows' actors by name unless I was aware of them before. An argument for the old-school 'montage of character scenes with the actor's name superimposed' style of credits, I suppose. Or an argument for me to pay attention to things. I don't know.

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:38 (two months ago) link

Haha no

Flash is Grant something
Danny Trejo was Cisco's girlfriend's dad
Arrow is Steven (might be a ph) Amell (which might not be spelt right)
Felicity is Emily Betts Rickard (because a guy I used to work with obsessed with her after the Fappening)
Malcolm Merlyn was played by John Barrowman
Supergirl is Melissa Benoist (ditto Fappening)
J'onn is David Hardwood (because he was in lots of things)
Cat Grant was Calista Flockhart
Ray Palmer is Brandon Routh (because he was Superman)
Rip Hunter is Arthur Darvill

I think that's me. After 8 years.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:52 (two months ago) link

Some other recurring characters

Tom Felton was Draco Malfoy in Harry Potter and a love interest for Killer Frost for over a season
Russell Tobey played The Ray, who appears in a lot of the alternate Earth eps
Chris something who was one of the main cast in American Pie was the big bad in Flash this season.
Biff Tannen is Steel's dad in Legends
Steven Amell's brother (Robbie?) played the Ronnie Raymond half of Firestorm
Clancy Brown has played some general who is always out to get heroes in the first couple of Flash seasons
Vinnie Jones was being set up as the bad guy (but not followed through with) in the prison episodes of Arrow

I think outside of that it's guest slots

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:09 (two months ago) link

Yeah see I was honestly unsure until just now whether the star of Arrow, a show I've watched for the better part of a decade, was Stephen or Robbie Amell. I know Laurel is a Cassidy because David is her dad. I don't really have this problem with other shows or movies.

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:10 (two months ago) link

David Hardwood (because he was in lots of things)

, as the actress said to the bishop

blokes you can't rust (sic), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:16 (two months ago) link

Regardless of whether I know their names, it's been a fun ongoing game for me to mentally rank the broad range of acting ability displayed on the CW shows. Like Chris Klein this season has, I believe, set the bar at an all-time low that I think is going to be really hard for anyone to surpass, to the extent that I'm marveling over the fact that he ever had a film career at all (aside from Election, where he was perfectly cast as a dipshit portraying a dipshit). All of the shows' leads are pretty dece imo. Upper tier in the ranking if not quite at the tippy top.

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:22 (two months ago) link

The actor who plays Flash’s dad, John Wesley Shipp, played the Flash in the 90’s tv show (1990-91) which I thought was kinda neat casting

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:49 (two months ago) link

His girlfriend(?) from OG Flash was also cast in a role on this show. Not to mention Hammill reprising his role as Trickster.

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:54 (two months ago) link

Agreed on the awfulness of this week's ep. Hated Marvel's Civil War due to pitting characters with decades of shared experience against each other, hamhandedly to drive the "superheroes "fite!" plot. This last Flash had the same bad feeling of characters who should be able to rationally talk things through instead using ill-reasoned arguments setting up poor decisions to gain a predetermined end. But with the free rein given to Chris Klein's growlybear performance, it's just high expectations unmet.

And at least they haven't had a drum-playing octopus. Now watching Aquaman and hoping Marvel takes some lessons for Namor to avoid.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 18 April 2019 01:03 (two months ago) link

TS: drum-playing octopi vs. drum-playing ants

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 April 2019 01:22 (two months ago) link

Ha! Well-played, sir. I gave the ant more of a pass because the comedy is integral to Ant-Man and the drumming ant was a robot. Definite Marvel bias in my suspension of disbelief.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 18 April 2019 02:29 (two months ago) link

That Harewood autocorrect was a good one, thanks sic.

I spotted John Wesley Shipp (who also plays Jay Garrick, in a possibly even more on the nose role) and Mark Hammill but kind of put them in stunt casting along with Helen Slater, Dean Cain and Lynda Carter in Supergirl.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Thursday, 18 April 2019 05:33 (two months ago) link

I also did not know the David Cassidy thing.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Thursday, 18 April 2019 05:36 (two months ago) link

Don't forget Teri Hatcher!

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 April 2019 09:54 (two months ago) link

Yes, another from the in-joke stunt casting basket.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Thursday, 18 April 2019 09:58 (two months ago) link

And at least they haven't had a drum-playing octopus. Now watching Aquaman and hoping Marvel takes some lessons for Namor to avoid.

marvel, no weirdness or fun in yr movie about the king of sunken atlantis who cuts about in a chainmail speedo and can fly using the little wings on his ankles

Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:01 (two months ago) link

You insult my sartorial forebear and you insult me, good sir (violently wrenches chainmail wedgie out of buttcrack).

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 April 2019 12:04 (two months ago) link

Catching up on the last half dozen Supergirls atm and...am I nuts or does Brainiac Actor have seemingly no interest in maintaining a consistent vocal inflection? He sounds like a Hanna-Barbera character at the moment, which is not what he used to do. I keep expecting him to let slip with a 'Zounds! Heavens to Murgatroyd!'

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 April 2019 12:13 (two months ago) link

the beard hunter chowing down on a big lump of plughole hair is maybe the most upsetting thing i’ve ever seen on tv

three weeks pass...

The Flash finale kind of fizzled out tbh. The idea of the Reverse Flash masterplan (to avoid spoilers) was a good one but nobody in their right mind could tolerate Nora for a second longer and her role in the plan kind of made no sense with maguffin on top of maguffin. Chris Klein only became more unbearable as the weeks went on and whatever was going on with the mind probe was just impossible to follow.

Arrow wound up with a whimper too. By the end the future makeup actually got worse than I thought it was upthread and the wigs... But everyone's story is done and Ollie has gone off with the Monitor for the truncated final season which only goes up to the Crisis crossover. Hoping for Legends type insanity on other worlds. Will probably just get 10 shades of growlybears.

But then Flash wrapped everybody up too. No idea what it's going to do prior to Crisis unless it's just Monster Of The Week in which case YAY.

Supergirl continues to impress and confound in equal measure. The Lex plot has been great but the Red Daughter woefully underused. Haven't cared about the Lockwood thing - and the President cliffhanger was dreadfully mishandled - but the fate of Braniac going into the finale is superb. Needs to pivot back to MOTW and goofy silver age shit to make me love it but it'll do.

Legends otoh has gone from strength to strength to yet further strength. This season has been pretty incredible and somehow the race to the finale has been even better than an already unbelievably strong first half. Only minus points are for Mona's arc in the second half, mainly because I think she's rotten in *those* scenes (not helped by dreadful makeup) and is/was far better as the wide-eyed innocent dreamer.

Doom Patrol has kept the standards up too, even if I think Flex Mentallo is way OP in this version. The funeral episode might have been the highspot of the season.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Thursday, 16 May 2019 08:37 (two months ago) link


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