Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn caught my eye more than anything else on the best of 2013 metal thread. Just listening to it now (I've really neglected metal this year) and I'm really loving it.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 December 2014 03:32 (nine years ago) link
This thread was revived on the same day of some interesting news. All is not well in Blashyrkh, it seems.
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/immortal-members-involved-in-legal-battle-over-rights-to-band-name/
― A. Begrand, Friday, 12 December 2014 04:20 (nine years ago) link
I hope this legal stuff doesn't hurt the band too much.
Didn't realise Old Mornings Dawn was a Tolkien thing until I was reading about it last night. It's got so much of the beauty and sense of ancient history that the recent movies don't have.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 December 2014 14:37 (nine years ago) link
Summoning are entirely Tolkien-themed, aren't they? A lot of their albums are named in tribute to evil fortresses.
I need to listen to more Summoning.
― jmm, Friday, 12 December 2014 15:06 (nine years ago) link
It appears most of their music is Tolkien based but it's less obvious now. That normally would have put me off because I'm generally not a fan of artists extensively using someone else's mythology. But the music is so good.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 December 2014 15:37 (nine years ago) link
Well loads of respectable bands have been extensively using Nordic mythology for years, not to mention (the antagonists in) Judeo-Christian mythology.
― Siegbran, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:34 (nine years ago) link
case in point: Isengard
― Dominique, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I suppose. But those mythologies are pretty enormous and so much to pick from. I suppose Tolkien created a huge world to explore but when you go for HP Lovecraft, the same old names of monsters and places keep coming up.
Siegbran, can I request you (and any other metal experts) contribute to this thread..Most EPIC GRANDEUR music of all time! what are the most dazzlingly epic metal albums? Preferably symphonic.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 13 December 2014 00:40 (nine years ago) link
Tolkienian grandeur and melancholy is a fine thing to try to capture in black metal form, imo. I wouldn't say the same for all fantasy novels.
― jmm, Saturday, 13 December 2014 00:46 (nine years ago) link
How about Robert Jordan? Epic twenty minute tracks about women smoothing their skirts.
― Pooja Bhatt's erotic thriller Jism 2 (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 13 December 2014 04:08 (nine years ago) link
Still loving Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn. So wonderful.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 9 January 2015 04:07 (nine years ago) link
Is anyone able to verify how accurate the translation of "Over Fjell Og Gjennom Torner" (specifically the last two lines) here is?: http://darkthrone-translations.blogspot.ca/
At least two other sources give roughly similar translations (e.g. http://lyricstranslate.com/en/over-fjell-og-gjennom-torner-over-mountain-and-through-thorns.html). I honestly thought Darkthrone were relatively innocuous.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 5 March 2015 02:33 (nine years ago) link
jesus
― Treeship, Thursday, 5 March 2015 02:35 (nine years ago) link
it's probably accurate though. that's an early album; white suprematist bullshit was in the air among norwegian black metal dudes at that time.
it's so unfortunate because the music that came out of that scene is very powerful. i don't think you can divorce it from the racism though, as the cthontic power of the icy forest vibes was intimately linked, for them, to this nordic pagan stuff. hunter hunt hendrix has the right idea: instead of ignoring it all and pretending you can isolate the sound of black metal from the *energy* you need to transform the sound into something else, preferably its antithesis.
― Treeship, Thursday, 5 March 2015 02:46 (nine years ago) link
maybe that is new agey for ilx. i do kind of think the aesthetic of those early norwegian bands is corrupt, in a sense, and should only be appreciated "at a distance"
― Treeship, Thursday, 5 March 2015 02:49 (nine years ago) link
i don't think you can divorce it from the racism though, as the cthontic power of the icy forest vibes was intimately linked, for them, to this nordic pagan stuff.
Huh?
hunter hunt hendrix has the right idea: instead of ignoring it all and pretending you can isolate the sound of black metal from the *energy* you need to transform the sound into something else, preferably its antithesis.
― Jawn DWYCK (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 5 March 2015 03:08 (nine years ago) link
Varg Vikernes wrote the lyrics to four of the tracks on Transilvanian Hunger, but quite perplexingly, the lyrics to Over Fjell Og Gjennom Torner were penned by Fenriz. i guess the two of them had a common vision & ideology at that point in time, which is a shame. Transilvanian Hunger was also, incidentally, the album that originally came with the notorious disclaimer "Norsk Arisk Black Metal" ("Norwegian Aryan Black Metal")
by all accounts, the band has grown up a lot since then.
― charlie h, Thursday, 5 March 2015 03:11 (nine years ago) link
Hunter Hunt Hendrix tends to overthink the black metal psyche in my opinion. my favourite black metal is generally primal, intuitive, and relatively unmeditated.
― charlie h, Thursday, 5 March 2015 03:16 (nine years ago) link
From the Wiki page for Transilvanian Hunger (specifically regarding the Norsk Arisk Black Mt
More recently, Fenriz disowned these past statements, describing them as "disgusting." He admitted regret and noted that at the time, he was going through a phase of being "angry at several races."
― Jawn DWYCK (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 5 March 2015 03:22 (nine years ago) link
Uh Arisk Black Metal thing, that should read. But probably relevant in discussion of that album.
― Jawn DWYCK (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, March 4, 2015 7:08 PM (5 minutes ago)
makes sense to me. for many (most) of the 2nd wave norwegian black metal bands, the musical aesthetics were deeply rooted in a vision of oppressed heathen/pagan identity that was, in turn, far too often linked with racist nationalism. that conceptual chain, linking music and imagery to identity and politics, is still very much alive in european black metal.
― Soylent News Service (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 March 2015 03:36 (nine years ago) link
The word 'blåmenn' is not at all translated correctly in the first link, the second has an explanation of the word. The gist of it is correct, though, and it's stille disgusting.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 5 March 2015 08:47 (nine years ago) link
Same album featuring the "if you don't like it, you're exhibiting obviously Jewish behavior" or something along those lines. And I have also heard Fenriz's later explanations. As 2nd wave BM goes, Darkthrone *are* largely "innocuous", but who the hell knows? I don't live w those guys, no idea what their political/social beliefs are. What I do know is a) that Fenriz in particular was/is kind of a scenester, and obv knew how to drum up attention to his non-touring band, and b) he's distanced himself from pretty much every aspect from his sound of the 90s (including pagan and nationalist themes in Darkthrone and Isengard)
― Dominique, Thursday, 5 March 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
What's wrong with paganism?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 5 March 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
Marty: "You play to predominantly, uh, a predominantly white audience. Do you feel your music is racist in any way?" David: "No, no." Nigel: "No, not at all." David: "No. We pro-- We say, we say love your brother. We don't say it, really. But..." Nigel: "We don't literally say it." David: "No, we don't say it." Nigel: "We don't really literally mean it." David: "No, we don't believe it either." Nigel: "But, we're not racists." David: "But, that message should be clear, anyway." Nigel: "We're anything but racists."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 March 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link
Fenriz used to DJ deep house stuff. Just to add a slight wrinkle into this.
― Jawn DWYCK (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 5 March 2015 18:49 (nine years ago) link
I knew about the 'Jewish behaviour' line (that was never actually printed) and the 'Norsk Arisk Black Metal' line on the back cover but I thought that this was different in that: i) it is a song lyric, i.e. part of the actual music on the recording ii) "the Norse race must slaughter the others/When the ... knock on our doors" seems like a more serious and intense statement than "if any man criticizes this record, he should be patronized for his obviously Jewish behaviour".
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
I tried getting into black metal a couple years ago. Bought a ton of albums. My favorite was Absu, because those fuckin' drums you know? Then I came across this interview with Proscriptor.
At the present moment, we are currently looking to completely reform the Cythraul Klan of ABSU by recruiting a lead guitarist/vocalist & bassist/vocalist (vice-versa). There are only three regulations to be a prospect to join:a.) Scotch, Irish, or Germanic descent to bloodlineb.) Grasps a magic(k)al mindc.) Thinks they can play faster, sufficiently better than King or Hanneman.If you hold these three characteristics or know somebody who does, send performing abilities on cassette or CDR to the following address:
a.) Scotch, Irish, or Germanic descent to bloodlineb.) Grasps a magic(k)al mindc.) Thinks they can play faster, sufficiently better than King or Hanneman.
If you hold these three characteristics or know somebody who does, send performing abilities on cassette or CDR to the following address:
http://www.mourningtheancient.com/absu.htm
I just threw my hands in the air. I give up with this shit.
― how's life, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link
ahhh, Absu. The best death metal band in Denton is actually from Dallas. My friend played keys with them for a few months.
― mushaboom kids (rip van wanko), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link
a.) Scotch, Irish, or Germanic descent to bloodline
Holy shit. Kind of always thought Protractor was a smarter guy than that.
― Jawn DWYCK (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link
That is pretty bizarre
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link
Prolapser
― vacuum head tree disease (imago), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
delightful Morbsian krieg
― vacuum head tree disease (imago), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:51 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, well I went around scouring other interviews for like confirmation. Any other racial shit. "Was he just being sarcastic or something?" Couldn't find anything else in that vein. But it had tainted the band for me.
― how's life, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link
The Obsequiae album may be my favourite metal record of the year right now. They've got a wonderful ear for melody and I love the clarity of the mix and the guitar tones. The harp passages are beautiful too. I didn't think I was in a mood for black metal, but there's something about how this comes together that I really like.
― jmm, Friday, 12 June 2015 17:41 (eight years ago) link
What Summoning to get after Old Mornings Dawn?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 9 August 2015 23:54 (eight years ago) link
all of them, but particularly let mortal heroes sing your fame and the ep nightshade forests
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 10 August 2015 00:02 (eight years ago) link
Oh I definitely wanted all of them.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 10 August 2015 00:16 (eight years ago) link
Yeah all of them except the first. Oath Bound is probably the best overall, and it has Land of the Dead.
― Siegbran, Monday, 10 August 2015 06:20 (eight years ago) link
Thanks guys.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 10 August 2015 09:52 (eight years ago) link
Can anyone recommend some recent bm in the vein of early LLN, Dead Reptile Shrine, Urfaust? I'm talking blurry riffs, flat, paper cup drums, shrieky shallow grave vocals. I'm up on new notable bm like Myrkur, Mastery, Mgla, Misþyrming etc. and it's good but not what I'm looking for. Kuunpalvelus and Ancient Records bands are great but not there either. Thanks!
― Yelploaf, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 22:53 (eight years ago) link
You might have to go back to the 90s for the early LLN sound, I don't know if you can get recordings that technically "bad" these days.
What do you think of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3lovxk5_ZQ
― Capitalism Is A Death Cult And Science Is A Whore (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 00:54 (eight years ago) link
Yes! Warloghe I know and love. Is anyone doing this now? Finland always kills. True Werwolf, Ride for Revenge, Cosmic Church, Keres. Thanks for the response. I'll keep digging and post any new discoveries here.
― Yelploaf, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 03:45 (eight years ago) link
It's been a good year for Finnish black metal:
Sacrificium Carmen
Sielunvihollinen <-- kills, esp if you were dissatisfied with the new Horna
Ruho
Aegrus
None of this has anything to do with the LLN sound but I felt like linkbombing anyway.
― Devilock, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 04:07 (eight years ago) link
Is anyone doing this now?
Man, I don't know, but I hope so. I have to admit the only black metal I've heard lately all seems to be, uh, maturing into an epic, cosmic thing with "proper" production. Which is fine but I do miss that feral chaotic vibe and Tascam 4-track sound.
― Capitalism Is A Death Cult And Science Is A Whore (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 05:39 (eight years ago) link
Hey 'loaf have you heard Veles from Poland? Bad politics alert (and Rob Darken keyboard alert) but they definitely have a chaotic maniac vibe on "Black Hateful Metal." It's super jarring when one of the keyboard intros ends and suddenly this poorly recorded basement metal screams in.
― Capitalism Is A Death Cult And Science Is A Whore (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 06:03 (eight years ago) link
Veles hits the spot. So good! Thanks again. I love Graveland but haven't checked in with Darken since. No problem with the heinous politics either. I'm certainly not the sort of dude these knuckleheads would want as a fan. Fuck em. Their shitty, sniveling hate makes for great music. Sweet links above to the Finnish jams. Ruho I know but the others are new to me. I get a Negative Approach feel from Sielunvihollinen hahaha. All great. Keep it coming. I'm off to listen to Moonblood.
― Yelploaf, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 06:47 (eight years ago) link
try these
Slægt
Prurient's Dominick Fernow's bm project Ash Pool
Bone Awl
― moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 08:18 (eight years ago) link
Polish dudes more than a bit inspired by old Graveland, Veles and Infernum.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FrrujoT8Rg
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 09:01 (eight years ago) link
Dude from Horna playing it hateful, slow and evilhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_elflBQmDdw
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 09:12 (eight years ago) link