Richard Dawson (raucous experimental UK folk racket w/ intense picaresque realness vox)

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Really hope this takes off completely. Not sure how. If tedious worthy dreck like Young Fathers is winning the Mercury, what chance does Dawson have, eh?

Anyway, this isn't about him taking off, this is about how his music is fucking astonishing & his personality one of the most performatively engaging I've heard on record

imago, Monday, 17 November 2014 20:48 (four years ago) link

Not seen him live, but the record is extraordinary. In all sorts of ways: people who like it will really, really, really like it; those who don't will simply be unable to make any sense of it, and I'm not yet sure which camp I fall into. It sounds like a stream of consciousness, both musically and lyrically. In many ways its a truer and more difficult form of alternative/outsider music than any noise or deliberately anti-melody record, because there are tunes and melodies here, they just seem all wrong - the notes, the chords, the progressions all seem wrong. Like a folk Beefheart.

Unsettled defender (ithappens), Monday, 17 November 2014 20:56 (four years ago) link

I've definitely mentioned him on here a few times as well. Seen him probably about half a dozen times in the last 3 or 4 years, I think the first time was just as The Magic Bridge came out and he's never been less than brilliant. From the visceral impact of Poor Old Horse the first time I saw him, to the pouring out of his heart in Wooden Bag, to co-opting folk standards like The Brisk Lad, to the sinister tragedy espoused in Ghost Of A Tree - which could also live on the creepy british tv thread in tone - I've always been rapt.

I wrote about Nothing Important on FB but can't find my post. I'll repeat what I said there though - The Vile Stuff is the distillation of his career to date and if he never does anything again that song will be enough.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Monday, 17 November 2014 21:29 (four years ago) link

let's post it here, in fact

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQVlNt6DAxY

imago, Monday, 17 November 2014 21:32 (four years ago) link

2:40 into "Nothing Important" and this is very easily going into the "I don't get it" file

the farakhan of gg (DJP), Monday, 17 November 2014 21:38 (four years ago) link

"The Vile Stuff" is completely obsessing me right now. Probably my favourite track of the year. (Evidently based in truth, as his teacher left a comment on his FB:

"Ha ha. I remember that trip to featherstone castle one of the highlights of my teaching career"

Also heard very good things about him as a live performer, from a trusted source. Hell, even his collages are good: http://www.richarddawson.net/collages.html

mike t-diva, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:51 (four years ago) link

I'm interested

i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 01:20 (four years ago) link

i've liked some of this guy;s stuff but i'm getting an icky jam-band feeling from that last youtube

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 02:51 (four years ago) link

how many minutes did you listen for

after 2 or 3 minutes the vocals come in and it's completely gripping, imo

imago, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 03:00 (four years ago) link

i listened to the whole thing!

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:13 (four years ago) link

I think this would probably appeal to folks who dig the Incredible String Band. I'm more on the Holy Modal Rounders' team, myself.

rushomancy, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 12:32 (four years ago) link

I can see tracks like Judas Iscariot and all the instrumental pieces on The Glass Trunk appealing to Derek Bailey fans. John Fahey fans might get a lot out of this too.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 12:37 (four years ago) link

Judas Iscariot is like a more deliberate Bill Orcutt

john wahey (NickB), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 12:49 (four years ago) link

Yeah, I can see that.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 12:58 (four years ago) link

Dammmm, just listened to Nothing Important on Spotify: "Judas Iscariot" an instrumental,justifies the Fahey and Derek Bailey comparisons right away, unselfconsciously; title track's vocals vulnerable, idealistic, tenacious, suggesting Robert Wyatt and Roy Harper; "The Vile Stuff" is a mighty tag-magnet for all of the above and RIYL ISB, the groove of solo Wino, Dredd Foole, and maybe Jandek (though I'm not a J-man fan). This track is or surely should be the one to get him on campus etc. radio. "Doubting Thomas" instrumental perfectly folds into its four minutes plus. The words haven't all registered yet, but I like the ones that have. Thanks ILM!

dow, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:17 (four years ago) link

Seems that this all comes from his own youngblood experiences (incl. listening to his records and himself), more than wearing influences on his sleeve. Though still working on his own unmistakable sound, own voice, as writers say.

dow, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:21 (four years ago) link

It sounds like a stream of consciousness, both musically and lyrically. In many ways its a truer and more difficult form of alternative/outsider music than any noise or deliberately anti-melody record, because there are tunes and melodies here, they just seem all wrong - the notes, the chords, the progressions all seem wrong. Like a folk Beefheart.

Description sounds like Kevin Coyne, in KC's more out there moments. But he doesn't sound like Kevin Coyne, more like Roy Harper gone weird.

Euripides' Trousers (Tom D.), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:37 (four years ago) link

Yeah, Coyne and Beefheart are in the same associative family tree, but actual sound closer to young Harper.

dow, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:50 (four years ago) link

Seriously one of the year's best records

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:52 (four years ago) link

i liked the first track on glass trunk with the letter so much but have cooled on him since then

ogmor, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 19:39 (four years ago) link

Oh yeah this is pretty cool. Like the guitar playing a lot.

grandavis, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:21 (four years ago) link

listening judas iscariot right now

good, but as a couple others pointed out VERY bill orcutt almost to the point of distraction for me sometimes

i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:39 (four years ago) link

I'm liking "Nothing Important" quite a bit.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:42 (four years ago) link

huh ok now the next song is L@@K RARE OOP PRIVATE PRESS UK PROGRESSIVE WITCH FOLK VG++ ONLY 200 COPIES WERE PRESSED

this song is awesome

i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:43 (four years ago) link

also the first song was good, i shouldn't be backhanded, it was more "put together" than orcutt usually is and it's not like recalling bill orcutt is an easy task either way

i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:44 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Richard Dawson 'The Vile Stuff' (Karen Gwyer Remix)

Listen to Karen Gwyer's hypnotic version of the song https://soundcloud.com/weirdworldrecordco/richard-dawson-the-vile-stuff-karen-gwyer-remix

"Nothing Important is driven by an ongoing conflict between entropic impulsiveness and an almost classical sense of beauty and order...Dawson's most ambitious and affecting composition to date." 7.8 - Pitchfork

"The 33-year-old Newcastle avant-troubadour has made one of the most unique singer-songwriter records in recent memory with the abrasive, vivid Nothing Important.” - Rolling Stone

The sinister lament that is ‘The Vile Stuff’ shows Dawson as a master of the minutiae of British storytelling as he charts the downfall of a group of students on a school trip, “downing Asda’s own-brand stubbies in the lad’s bogs” before succumbing to all sorts of transgression and calamity – fracturing skulls and cheekbones, stabbing screwdrivers through their hands and hopping into bed with their teachers. It’s a song as surreal as it is strangely relatable in its pitch-black humour and effortless conjuring of grizzly adolescent fantasy.

In her remix, Gwyer takes the song's ominous instrumental loop and tones it up into a muscular, sinister alien-club track reminiscent of her releases for No Pain In Pop.

Read a recent interview with Richard Dawson via BOMB Magazine (conversation w Cian Nugent):http://bombmagazine.org/article/2000044/richard-dawson/

dow, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 23:46 (four years ago) link

That's from dominorecordco.com, so's this

http://i2.cmail1.com/ei/d/36/889/699/csimport/RichardDawson-CROPPEDFORPR.151153.jpeg

dow, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 23:49 (four years ago) link

oh my fucking god this remix

imago, Friday, 5 December 2014 00:36 (four years ago) link

just found myself listening to this dude earlier today cuz he is supporting the ex next week. definitely pro him

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 5 December 2014 00:37 (four years ago) link

listened to him for the first time yesterday, siked to have a new person to listen to whose work I think is amazing

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 5 December 2014 20:07 (four years ago) link

to me, this has some similarities to akron/family back in the day when they were really on top of what I believed to be an extremely compelling sound

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 5 December 2014 20:09 (four years ago) link

listening to the back half of nothing important and oh man this guy

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:50 (four years ago) link

maybe I need to go to both days of the the ex thing

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:50 (four years ago) link

aah, i used to kind of know this guy from when he worked at alt vinyl in newcastle years ago, pleased to see him making a name for himself (or is it just on ilm . i saw him play loads of times about 5 or 6 years ago and he was always great but never got round to hearing any of his albums somehow (will rectify this). i remember being being quite taken aback when i first heard him singing, him being such a mild mannered, softly spoken chap.

Benny B, Friday, 5 December 2014 23:31 (four years ago) link

i`ll admit my memories of that time in the north east are getting pretty hazy, but i remember wondering at the time htf maximo park and the futureheads blew up when field music and richard dawson were sooo much better

Benny B, Friday, 5 December 2014 23:37 (four years ago) link

gosh how did a band whose calling card was a novelty 80s cover make a deeper impression on the public than this guy with his sixteen minute song about school kids getting drunk on 4x and stabbing themselves with screwdrivers

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 6 December 2014 09:16 (four years ago) link

ha! well it was back when i actually gave a fuck about such things.

Benny B, Saturday, 6 December 2014 10:31 (four years ago) link

five or six years ago RD's music was much more quote-unquote accessible straight-bat folk-rock kinda stuff; afaik no-one took much notice until he started to get ~weird~

proper maoist (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 6 December 2014 11:21 (four years ago) link

So what a couple of bits I've heard reminds me of (so far) is some Harsh 70s..-era Dead C 'heavy' strumming. After five mins I can't be arsed.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 6 December 2014 16:26 (four years ago) link

I dreamt about Richard Dawson last night.

In the dream the mainstream had decided to try and co-opt him and so he had been invited on TV wanker-fest Sunday Brunch with Tim Lovejoy and The Other One. It was a special summer edition which was outside and the invited "too old for Hoxton but we're going to pretend anyway" middle class twunt target market were having a picnic. To try and make him more palatable they had given him a completely inappropriate backing band and they started a version of The Brisk Lad that sounded a bit like Take That. Richard tried to destabilise things by picking up a saxophone (which he clearly couldn't play) and tunelessly honking over them after the first verse. The producers responded by turning up the backing to try and restore order. Richard then walked off the stage in amongst the picnickers and started ad-lining verses, but when he said he would split the stolen sheep "from maw to cunt" it got a bit much for the producers and it went to a black screen.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Sunday, 7 December 2014 11:32 (four years ago) link

:D

someone not on phone pls repost to striking imagery thread asap

imago, Sunday, 7 December 2014 12:30 (four years ago) link

That should have been "ad-libbing" near the end, but autocorrect obvs.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Sunday, 7 December 2014 12:37 (four years ago) link

AAAAAAHHHH

imago, Saturday, 13 December 2014 02:44 (four years ago) link

Just interviewed him. Lovely man.

Unsettled defender (ithappens), Monday, 15 December 2014 13:14 (four years ago) link

Spoke to him after the gig and can corroborate this

imago, Monday, 15 December 2014 13:34 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

this is great! how did i not hear it till now?

this is just a saginaw (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 10:41 (four years ago) link

This should be right up my alley but I've never managed to get past the first couple tracks.

Dinsdale, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 11:44 (four years ago) link

there are only 4 tracks

London's Left-Wing Utopian Non-League Ultras Are Reclaiming Football (imago), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 13:50 (four years ago) link

I've listened to this about 4 times in the last 24 hours. Such expressive guitar playing. It makes me wonder what his guitar method is. He said in a Wire interview that when it comes to different tunings, he forgets what they are, but it definitely sounds like he's throwing in some interesting tunings in there all the same.

this is just a saginaw (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 14:05 (four years ago) link

also everyone likes a guy who posts his posts to multiple threads

imo it is nothing short of the finest pastoralia the north of england has produced, its folk stylings tempered with something utterly seaborne & untameable. 'nothing important' is a preternaturally brilliant folk-prog exegesis on mortality for god's sake, yet it also feels…slightly improvised?

glad to have you on board, i really think this stuff is the most interesting & emotionally affecting music coming out of this country at the moment

― London's Left-Wing Utopian Non-League Ultras Are Reclaiming Football (imago), Wednesday, January 7, 2015 2:26 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

London's Left-Wing Utopian Non-League Ultras Are Reclaiming Football (imago), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 14:27 (four years ago) link

not a patch on peasant tho

devvvine, Friday, 18 October 2019 11:46 (three weeks ago) link

indeed. he did a reddit AMA the other night, need to read that

imago, Friday, 18 October 2019 11:47 (three weeks ago) link

"Civil Servant" is hilarious. I must check this album out

The World According To.... (Michael B), Friday, 18 October 2019 11:49 (three weeks ago) link

think the less overtly 'state of the nation'-y parts are its strongest. was expecting a dawson song titled freshers ball to be too real, fortunately hit pretty hard in a different way

devvvine, Friday, 18 October 2019 11:57 (three weeks ago) link

from the ama re black triangle

the whole ufo sighting was something that really happened to me and my pal neil. the song is completely as it happened right up to the point where neil lives in a barn conversion. so even though it uses this experience, it's not about me........

devvvine, Friday, 18 October 2019 12:11 (three weeks ago) link

"Robert Wyatt doing George Benson" is a wonderful observation.

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reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:52 (three weeks ago) link

vile stuff really is the best song ever made, isn't it?

devvvine, Sunday, 20 October 2019 14:43 (three weeks ago) link

What a crazy selection of favorite albums, there were two on there I couldn't even find online (and not the one he said you can't find online).

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 October 2019 16:44 (three weeks ago) link

vile stuff really is the best song ever made, isn't it?

― devvvine, Sunday, October 20, 2019 2:43 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

its a close-run thing with 'nothing important' but yeah

imago, Sunday, 20 October 2019 18:40 (three weeks ago) link

I voted for Person Pitch. That and Feels are fading for me but still like them very much.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:34 (three weeks ago) link

Love the images!

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:34 (three weeks ago) link

lol I doubt either of his first two albums will place.

pomenitul, Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:35 (three weeks ago) link

if dicky dawson doesn't double-up come the 10's poll then i'm banning everyone

imago, Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:37 (three weeks ago) link

Hah. It's been a long weekend...

(Agree The Vile Stuff is damn well perfect.)

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Sunday, 20 October 2019 20:38 (three weeks ago) link

Reveals he has begun work on the next album

Duke, Sunday, 27 October 2019 11:37 (two weeks ago) link

ty for that! don't remotely agree with the guardian framing this as his breakout masterpiece though

imago, Sunday, 27 October 2019 11:44 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, for me that was Peasant, which must have significantly widened his audience. But 2020 seems to be getting even more mainstream attention.

Duke, Sunday, 27 October 2019 13:51 (two weeks ago) link

while NI is probably my favourite album of the decade, i can fully buy Peasant as his breakout moment yeah. mainstream is always slow to pick up on these things but RYM and the wider nerd community got on board at Peasant

imago, Sunday, 27 October 2019 14:41 (two weeks ago) link

imo peasant sounds way more accessible than the nu one

devvvine, Sunday, 27 October 2019 16:07 (two weeks ago) link

Crazy talk. The new one is may more accessible on several levels (not leats that's it's way easier to identify with totally relatable stories about people who live now versus people who lived 1400 years ago, never mind tunes and arrangements), and is totally the breakout record. Peasant is the one that hinted a breakout was possible, but it didn't go over the parapet.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 28 October 2019 16:05 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, lots of people (my boss included) seem to be very familiar with Jogging. It's been getting a lot of Radio 6 airplay whereas I think Peasant was really a cult thing

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 28 October 2019 16:21 (two weeks ago) link

i meant purely the arrangements and how it sounds, the ugliness of how jogging sounds compared to a song like weaver. not denying the the hooks and lyrics are more accessible.

devvvine, Monday, 28 October 2019 16:47 (two weeks ago) link

working from a base of what wld my mum prefer so good chance i am talking nonsense

devvvine, Monday, 28 October 2019 16:49 (two weeks ago) link

Shades of how my other Favourite Current Artist, Weyes Blood, had to release three incredible albums in a row before the powers that be really caught on. (And as with Dawson, the one that pushed her over the edge might not be her best, although in her case it's much more arguable)

imago, Monday, 28 October 2019 17:03 (two weeks ago) link

Finally got a copy of Nothing Important yesterday, bought direct from Domino after reconciling myself to the fact that it will A: never be cheap online and B: never be in stock in my local HMV again.

So apart from The Vile Stuff it all sounds basically like unlistenable improvised torture to me right now, but HOLY SHIT I've listened to The Vile Stuff about 6 times in a row and WTF

What's it doing?! It's a 16-minute raga about a school trip that somehow finds a level of emotional intensity that is completely unwarranted. It makes Venus In Furs sound like Scouting For Girls. It makes a lyric about Newcastle United wallpaper sound like something occult.

Wow.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 1 November 2019 10:00 (one week ago) link

It's a brilliant song. The bit about him spacing out and having visions as he stares at his Newcastle United poster is something else

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 1 November 2019 10:05 (one week ago) link

He has a visual disability that brings such visions about

Wait until the title-track clicks...

imago, Friday, 1 November 2019 10:10 (one week ago) link

I must admit that, as much as I enjoy Dawson's music and Nothing Important in particular, there's a dare I say cultural barrier that will never dissolve completely.

pomenitul, Friday, 1 November 2019 10:13 (one week ago) link

Kitchen sink mysticism ftw.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Friday, 1 November 2019 10:15 (one week ago) link

xp Is that barrier not what makes it all the more compelling and appealing? For me it is tbf.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 1 November 2019 10:16 (one week ago) link

Up to a point. Then again, I'm not much of an anglophile – anglo-agnostic is probably a better descriptor.

pomenitul, Friday, 1 November 2019 10:20 (one week ago) link

omg

https://thequietus.com/articles/17205-richard-dawson-interview-2

"Dawson hides his intent in plain sight, threading his lyrics with plenty of clues. The assailant outside the chip shop (Thadeus); the lad who cracks his head open (Peter); the pupil who “fills a Reebok Pump with the pulp from his belly” (Simon) and the object of his affections (Bartholomew); the lad who gobs at the narrator (Matthew); his neighbour who “lost two fingers to a Staffie-cross” (Andrew) who works at a no win no fee solicitors (James and James) and even the brand of screwdriver he injures himself with (Philip) are all the names of Christ’s apostles. (He hides his intent elsewhere as well. The two instrumental tracks on the album are called ‘Doubting Thomas’ and ‘Judas Iscariot’.)"

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 1 November 2019 11:01 (one week ago) link

xp Aren't we all in a way? :) (I hear you though)

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 1 November 2019 11:23 (one week ago) link

xp [eric wareheim exploding head gif]

devvvine, Friday, 1 November 2019 11:29 (one week ago) link

Most of it just reminds me of Half Man Half Biscuit.

fetter, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:06 (one week ago) link

the other great uk folk-rock act of our time, but there's a distinct spirit

imago, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:17 (one week ago) link

The potato line in Shapeshifter is bugging me. They weren't introduced to the UK until 1586 or whenever, so how is one in this song. I have tried googling "Richard Dawson potato" to no avail of an explanation from the author.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 4 November 2019 13:45 (one week ago) link

he did explain it somewhere - elements from all time periods are included by design. 'prostitute' has a prominent synth part!

imago, Monday, 4 November 2019 13:54 (one week ago) link

Poet(ato)ic licence.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Monday, 4 November 2019 13:55 (one week ago) link

Shapeshifters have also yet to be introduced to the UK

ogmor, Monday, 4 November 2019 13:56 (one week ago) link

That's what you think.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 15:41 (six days ago) link

They've been on the throne since the turn of the 18th century surely?

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 15:51 (six days ago) link

One's prime minister right now.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 16:10 (six days ago) link

giving his 2005 debut album a listen for the first time. found it in a charity shop for 50p a couple of years back and hadn't ever got round to playing it before. it's not especially good tbh, mildly eccentric in places but nowhere near as daring as what was to come. probably one for the sale pile i think.

the creator has a mazda van (NickB), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:29 (six days ago) link

Part of me would love to hear it. But I know he's disowned it, so the other half of me wants to respect that.

Duke, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:35 (six days ago) link

happy to share wavs or whatever if anyone is desperate

the creator has a mazda van (NickB), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:39 (six days ago) link

God I thought I was on the politics thread for a bit and we were talking about Boris Johnson. I need sleep

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 01:36 (five days ago) link


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