Miles Davis - In A Silent Way

not a fan of panthalassa though i can't say i've given it a thorough listen

Isn't panthalassa that Bill Laswell "remix" album? That's some bullshit imo.

oh whoops explained upthread nm

Cobham could seem kind of musclebound

I actually love his drumming on mahavishnu, it's the only time I really really dig him that I can think of.

XP - I think the original Panthalassa has gotten residual stink from the remixes record (which I've never heard) with people getting the two mixed up.

haha ok i also didn't read maresnest's post thoroughly enough, i just assumed it was the bill laswell garbage remix

I like Panthalassa too, but if you're predisposed to not liking Laswell's stuff, as many around here seem to be, I can see where your mileage would vary. The original, not the remixes.

As long as I'm looking at discogs for the Wayne, might as well check versions of Devotion: the only legit CD version shown as missing a track is *one* of the Celluloid reissues, CELD5010.

I'm fairly sure there are a couple of sections that made their way into Panthalassa that had never been released before (or until the box sets came out) like the bit called Arghata prelude (dub) which Iirc is called Turnaround on the IASW box set.

Article - http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may98/articles/billlaswell.html

Arghata Prelude Dub - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2OrVsFw_2Q (starts at about 12:20)

I like Panthalassa for...their compactness? like single edits kinda. it's what I keep on my phone rather than the big albums, sorta 70s Miles mobile.

Also the extended intro on IASW is lovely!

^^^ totally! I used that a droney intro to dj sets a time or three.

I like Panthalassa just fine. The remixes, no thanks. Re the other stuff dow mentioned: The recent Mahavishnu "Complete Recordings" box is fantastic; the albums are all remastered, even the live one, and there's a full CD of bonus live tracks from the same shows which is fucking killer.

I have a great bootleg of the Carlos Santana/John McLaughlin band (which also included Larry Young on organ, Michael Shrieve on bass and Billy Cobham on drums IIRC); incredible stuff, half-hour monster jams like a mix of Mahavishnu and Santana (obviously) but with more metal power to it, almost verging on Earthless territory at times. It's the Chicago show, 9/1/73 I think the date is - find it if you can.

^that sounds awesome. love those tony williams albums with mclaughlin and larry young

damn apart from the miles stuff i feel like 70s fusion is like another planet to me, i need to get on this shit. i haven't had luck earlier with a few albums but i just know there is something there to open up for me. i mean i'm fucking flipping out about jaco pastorius' playing on joni records and starting to feel like i need to jump on the fusion bus real soon

Wait Michael Shrieve played bass too?

xp herbie hancock's mwandishi stuff is probably a good place to dive in beyond miles, if you haven't already gotten into that.

Marcus, sounds like the next step for you is Weather Report

Marcos although I'm on record as a Jaco hater, here's one I like a lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jng_yZUc4F0

^^ awesome! yes weather report. feel like i even have some old weather report records in my vinyl collection that i got for free a while back when i worked at a record store. i might be thinking of return to forever though.

xp yes mwandishi definitely is on my list. sextant is great but it's the only herbie mwandishi-era record i know.

i have headhunters and i dig it for sure but i really like that tune "sly" the best on there. a lot of fusion i've heard doesn't have that dark menacing weirdness that "get up with it" does and that's what i'm looking for mostly. though jaco doesn't have that obviously and i dig him. so i might not know what i want.

first Joe Zawinul (self titled) pre-Weather Report solo album is the closest to a sister album to In a Silent Way

Yeah I know exactly the vibe you're talking about wrt Sly. Will try to think of stuff. Maybe also Herbie's score for Death Wish. Also have you ever heard the tune Butterfly off his record Thrust? I think that might scratch the same itch.

Wait Marcos do you know the Miles record Filles de Kilamanjaro? Great dark, proto-fusion stuff, one of my favorites.

Marcos also I think you'd like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iZ7id-lxXo

will check out all this stuff! definitely heard filles, basically all miles albums i've got. the rest is new!

Another suggestion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5CNYsmAJwI

Weather Report is so many different bands- the one I like best is the Live in Tokyo one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiBZeo_ZxWQ

For the dark side, check Miles' Pangea, Agharta, Dark Magus, Black Beauty. Weather Report's Mysterious Traveler is about as spooky as they get. Brace yerself for Sonny Sharrock's Black Woman. Jazz-Rock etc. aside, Coltrane can get pretty dark, on songs like "Alabama."

Lalo Schifrin 70s film scores. Start with Dirty Harry OST.

I don't think Shrieve played bass. I found a youtube of a portion of that Chicago concert and the personnel are
John McLaughlin - Guitar (double-neck)
Carlos Santana - Guitar
Khalid Yasin (aka Larry Young) - Organ, Keyboards
Doug Rauch - Bass
Billy Cobham - Drums
Armando Peraza - Percussions

http://youtu.be/O-0u2juyLYc

Rauch was Santana's bassist at the time iirc. The torrent for that show is easy to find, but nobody's seeding -- it's been sitting on zero for 6 hrs now.

I couldn't remember who Santana's bassist was, is all. Shrieve's name popped into my head.

IIRC there's one billy cobham record i like a lot but i can't remember the title and i'm not at home

i like the first bill laswell LP (baselines) and some of the early material stuff.

i've also developed a taste for some of santana's fusion records from the early 70s, but i do find myself wincing at times while listening to them

I love that whole stretch of Santana stuff from '72-'75: Caravanserai, Love Devotion Surrender, Illuminations (with Alice Coltrane), Welcome, and especially Lotus, which sounds like Santana trying to make his own version of Agharta.

Xp
I'd guess you mean Cobham's Spectrum album?

Wow, checking out Illuminations now.

I saw Santana in 74, and my memory of that night is much like Lotus. Redeems every dorky thing he's done since.

yeah he's traveled a strange road.

Always given flakey interviews, and when I saw him do a guest turn w Miles in a long 80s concert vid, he played all over everybody, chewed the scenery 4ever; Miles got in one sardonic oblique-stroke note at the very end, upstaged the whole performance.
Anybody heard The Swing of Delight? Described here by allmusic's William Ruhlmann:
For his second "solo" album, Carlos Santana used Miles Davis' famed '60s group--Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, Ron Carter, and Tony Williams -- plus members of the current Santana band, for a varied, jazz-oriented session that was one of his more pleasant excursions from the standard Santana sound. (Originally released as a double-LP, The Swing of Delight was reissued on a single CD.)

Wow, hadn't heard of that. I'd be curious to hear it, but sadly, by that time, whatever was left of Williams' brilliance had completely vanished.

I just got it (along with a lot of the other late '70s through late '80s band and "solo" albums) last night; will check it out this week.

thankfully you can't see santana's guitar face while you listen to record

I never found any use for Carlos Santana

smdh

Hurting, check out Caravanserai if you haven't.

The torrent for that show is easy to find, but nobody's seeding -- it's been sitting on zero for 6 hrs now.

Don't know if you use slsk but I was able to find it on there.

hurting i am digging that wayne shorter track upthread, that is great

yeah, that's my jam

It's a Milton Nascimiento (who is singing) tune. He recorded at least a couple earlier versions of the song that are also great.

the hubbard is really good too, it reminded me that i have red clay somewhere on my shelves, need to pull that out again!