Sleater-Kinney breaks up

never been able to shake the feeling that cat power was for ppl who'd missed out on suzi quattro

One Beat bit aside (and he does try "to be fair," but goes on awhile), seems like most of this is right-on testimonial: if I'd never heard S-K, would do so after or while reading, and not be disappointed. If you write up front political lyrics, expect pushback (suspect they did, though some musos seem all amazed)

i've never been able to shake the feeling that neko case was for ppl who'd missed out on amelia earhart

no denying Julia Holter is for ppl who'd missed out on Hildegard of Bingen

Earhart? Meh after the girl on the White Rock bottle (she's already *there,* flygirl).

Sleater-Kinney boxed sets are certainly for people who missed out on Sleater-Kinney.

Mary Magdalene, get your ticket from Lilith.

can't say I share Shakey's opinion on this one but given that S-K were borne out of the tail end of riot grrrl's first wave I think the heavy-handed clink-y satire in response is a bit misplaced

I didn't say my feeling was justified btw. although when I read things like "Sleater-Kinney was one of those things that sometimes happens in rock ’n’ roll when you are shaken to the core by a band or by a song the moment you hear it because, you suddenly realize, you have always wanted to hear this very thing, even if such a thing were previously unimaginable" I suspect in some cases it is.

I am not overly familiar with their ouevre. I heard their first album when it came out and saw them play live maybe a couple years later where I was accosted by a v drunk punk girl who yelled at me for not dancing (she then dragged another friend of mine into the pit where she subsequently punched somebody and got thrown out). idk I just didn't respond to them.

many xp

that's an example of Taylor's hyperbolic writing (drenched in Kael). I'm pretty sure he'd heard Essential Logic.

I'm glad some of you guys are excited about having a totally ahistorical position on where the band came from though, nicely done. asserting that I was associating them with riot grrl simply because they're women is p fuckin stupid.

I do kind of wonder if the press at the time would've made space for S-K without Bikini Kill going into "media blackout" around the same time that S-K's first album came out. It felt like the rock press was like "well, we can't right about those angry punk women anymore OH LOOK these ladies fit the bill perfectly!" (and conveniently happen to be less confrontational/more willing to make standard industry moves)

xp

again I'm not knocking the band, they're fine whatever. but when people hyperventilate about them like they are THE GREATEST WOMEN IN ROCK EVER and unlike anything that came before I get kinda uhhhhh

can't right? wtf can't write

Yes sk is related to riot girl, but i would say suggesting that sk is old hat if you've heard bikini kill is pretty fuckin stupid too

"Im not saying ALL women are the same geez just women of that age and social background!"

"well, we can't right about those angry punk women anymore OH LOOK these ladies fit the bill perfectly!" (and conveniently happen to be less confrontational/more willing to make standard industry moves)

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― Οὖτις, Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:56 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag

yes...how "convenient" for them *strokes beard*

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dude croup give it up you are smarter than this

Sleater Kinney is certainly more accessible than most riot grrrl associated acts out there. Does that clear anything up?

lol shakey who's the one getting shit here? you made a glib statement based on minimal information (as you explained in defensive detail afterwards), people unsympathetically made fun of you for it. deaaaalll

there's definitely a lot of hype around s-k and i'd say it was all downhill after dig me out, but if you genuinely don't know what makes them different than first wave riot girl read one of the umpteen musical appreciations of them from writers who've heard it all.

I'm fine w it but it would be cool if you could stop pretending like S-K bears no relation to riot grrl beyond white members with boobs, which is just disingenuous and wasn't what I was saying at all and you know it

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would also be nice to bear in mind that this was all in the context of that Taylor piece which is full of bullshit (literally writing as if he had never heard angry women w guitars before) and is what prompted my post in the first place

yeah yeah somebody said some dumb shit so you said some dumb shit (have never been able to shake the feeling that this band was strictly for people who missed the first wave of riot grrl bands - it's the "strictly" that really did you in) and people got mean

again, deaaaaaalllll

do you not have an emoticon/anigif to go along w that

i can find you a "damn kids" one if you like

again I'm not knocking the band, they're fine whatever. but when people hyperventilate about them like they are THE GREATEST WOMEN IN ROCK EVER and unlike anything that came before I get kinda uhhhhh

― Οὖτις, Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:57 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So fucking true. Get over it everyone

"Combat Rock" really was pretty bad.

"Light Rail Coyote" made up for it though.

"Combat Rock" was my #1 for the ILX poll. I regret nothing.

It's like, I get why people dig 'em but Jesus Christ people cool it with the hyperbole

yeah "combat rock" is my favorite song on one beat

some of the lyrics on 'one beat' are so strident and un-subtle that they're weird to hear now. the context matters of course but even at the time i kind of cringed at a lot of 'combat rock.' not that i remotely agree with taylor, who's basically a smarmy centrist clintonoid jerk, salon was full of them in the early '00s.

Combat Rock is so freaking corny.

corin's delivery redeems some of it, but ugh @ this verse especially:

They tell us there are only two sides to be on
If you are on our side you're right, if not you're wrong
But are we innocent, pargons of good?
Is our guilt erased by the pain that we've endured?

One Beat was my favorite album of 2002 and have had no problem revisiting it but I think my ranking it so high has to do with watching them live twice that season and those songs sounded HUGE.

when it came out i only liked "step aside," "oh" and "o2". last i checked i only liked "step aside" and "oh".

always surprised to see the song lengths are consistently under four minutes, though the trick is they used to do so much in three

excitement about that new song died fast, didn't it

might have more going on lyrically that i grasped but musically it felt all too aligned with brownstein saying the white stripes made her believe in rock again

than i grasped

Nope. The new song is still fucking hot.

do you like jack white solo albums

I love the new song, and never liked Jack White/White Stripes.

huh cool

I think further enthusiasm is being held until more material surfaces. Listening again to "Bury Our Friends", and there is so much more going on there than your average White Stripes/Jack joint.

FWIW, the official video for the new song has earned over 344,000 views on Youtube since it was posted a little over three weeks ago. This is a higher view count than the official "Entertain" video has got, and that one's been up since 2006. The clips for "Jumpers" & "Modern Girl" are both in the 500k range after also being up since 2005/6.

i'll admit to some confirmation bias

S/K past the first album or two don't really share that much sonic territory with riot grrl, and saying some of their press was because riot grrl happened is sorta odd to me.... not that there's no truth to it in terms of a literal history of what journalists might have been looking for or narratives they might have (lazily or otherwise) slotted coverage into. But a) who cares, the band rules b) "oh sure but who would pay attention to the ROLLING STONES if the press hadn't hyped everybody on THE BEATLES" c) wouldn't that just be a marker of success (in one narrow area) of riot grrl, that this band reaches a wider audience than it might have otherwise...? i mean not saying that "convert journalists to like girl bands" was a party platform item, but the idea of a whole huge swath of people forming a really dedicated personal relationship with this band that sang about themes not found in other bands seems kinda like...not a problem?

this band that sang about themes not found in other bands

yeah see uh